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January 15, 2016, 08:06:51 PM
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Mike Hearn is not a very rich or important figure when it comes to Bitcoin, his announcement was merely timed with the cryptsy collapse announcement, and they merely compounded on top of each other to form an issue. Mike had no individual effect, he was just waiting to make himself feel relevant.
You are an idiot, and a prime reason why so many people are bailing on bitcoin presently.  Let's look at how the New York Times has framed this "nobody" named Mike Hearn.....

"He was one of a handful of developers around the world dedicated to maintaining the basic software that governs both the creation of new Bitcoins and the network on which the financial transactions take place.

But a nasty fight has torn apart the small brotherhood of Bitcoin developers and raised questions about the survival of the virtual currency. Mr. Hearn, until recently one of the most prominent leaders of the Bitcoin project, became so disillusioned that in December he sold the few hundred Bitcoins he had left......."


LET ME TELL YOU what this is about.  It has been brewing a long time.  Big money in wallstreet, in banks, and venture capitolists have been funding the growth of bitcoin.  They are serious, professional people, that have definite financial motives in mind.  They write the paychecks for the loser little tech weenie punks that write code for them.  Somewhere along the way the tech weenies began to actually ran something, that what they wanted mattered.  That anybody gave a shit about their ideas on how bitcoin would ultimately be used.

At first it was amusing.  But now people are not amused anymore.  I assure you that this death spiral that is potentially setting up in bitcoin was triggered directly by Mike Hearn's Statements.

I do not support Mike Hearn.  I think he is an ass.  But I would take him a dozen times over these Blockstream/Core idiots that HAVE CAUSED ALL OF THIS.  

Currently I still see a 50/50 chance that Bitcoin survives and prevails against the looming FIATCOIN that is going to be launched against Bitcoin.  But just barely.   Myself and many many others are watching for just a single, solitary sign.... that Classic will actually be delivered.  But already I see that group getting bogged down in stupid discussions.  They just can't seem to shut up and code like they are paid to.
I understand your point, and I do agree that it would have been better to have someone just do something instead of just cause drama in the Bitcoin space. I would argue though that the price drop is a combination of both Mark's comments and the Cryptsy exchange collapsing. It seems that an exchange collapse has far more impact on the price than someone's comments, but due to the two events happening quite closely together that it is difficult to measure the effects.

I do want to say that my "making him feel relevant" comment still stands, as per your "Somewhere along the way the tech weenies began to actually ran something, that what they wanted mattered.  That anybody gave a shit about their ideas on how bitcoin would ultimately be used." comment, but I do understand that he is technically relevant because he is one of the people making it so everyone has to rely on him for the service to continue.

In one way I hope classic actually shows a sliver of getting released, but we'll have to see if drama will overtake that too.

I do enjoy your points, and I hope to have more dialogue with you in the future.


I am willing to say that a majority of the sellers are doing so because of the political climate within Bitcoin, and will most likely return once the victory-result is clear. It will depend more on if Bitcoin will return to previous levels or spiral into obscurity, like you said.
I owe you an apology.  Very sorry.

There is very little beauty created in this world.  Watching yet another thing of potential beauty get crushed, trampled, abused by people of no understanding is taking its toll on my patience.   I actually think I don't have any more points to make at this time.  Your last paragraph pretty much covers it.  I feel released just to see another say it.

Thank you for helping me to see my anguish and let go of it Smiley

Peace to you.
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January 15, 2016, 07:55:41 PM
Hero member just means they've posted over 450 times (on average) over 450 days, or made 14 posts each 2 weeks. This means you can add more content to your signature, and it makes your account worth more on this forum. This typically also means a user has more experience with this board, and has interacted enough with everyone else to know what their doing.

Mike Hearn is not a very rich or important figure when it comes to Bitcoin, his announcement was merely timed with the cryptsy collapse announcement, and they merely compounded on top of each other to form an issue. Mike had no individual effect, he was just waiting to make himself feel relevant.
You are an idiot, and a prime reason why so many people are bailing on bitcoin presently.  Let's look at how the New York Times has framed this "nobody" named Mike Hearn.....

"He was one of a handful of developers around the world dedicated to maintaining the basic software that governs both the creation of new Bitcoins and the network on which the financial transactions take place.

But a nasty fight has torn apart the small brotherhood of Bitcoin developers and raised questions about the survival of the virtual currency. Mr. Hearn, until recently one of the most prominent leaders of the Bitcoin project, became so disillusioned that in December he sold the few hundred Bitcoins he had left......."


LET ME TELL YOU what this is about.  It has been brewing a long time.  Big money in wallstreet, in banks, and venture capitolists have been funding the growth of bitcoin.  They are serious, professional people, that have definite financial motives in mind.  They write the paychecks for the loser little tech weenie punks that write code for them.  Somewhere along the way the tech weenies began to actually ran something, that what they wanted mattered.  That anybody gave a shit about their ideas on how bitcoin would ultimately be used.

At first it was amusing.  But now people are not amused anymore.  I assure you that this death spiral that is potentially setting up in bitcoin was triggered directly by Mike Hearn's Statements.

I do not support Mike Hearn.  I think he is an ass.  But I would take him a dozen times over these Blockstream/Core idiots that HAVE CAUSED ALL OF THIS.  

Currently I still see a 50/50 chance that Bitcoin survives and prevails against the looming FIATCOIN that is going to be launched against Bitcoin.  But just barely.   Myself and many many others are watching for just a single, solitary sign.... that Classic will actually be delivered.  But already I see that group getting bogged down in stupid discussions.  They just can't seem to shut up and code like they are paid to.
I understand your point, and I do agree that it would have been better to have someone just do something instead of just cause drama in the Bitcoin space. I would argue though that the price drop is a combination of both Mark's comments and the Cryptsy exchange collapsing. It seems that an exchange collapse has far more impact on the price than someone's comments, but due to the two events happening quite closely together that it is difficult to measure the effects.

I do want to say that my "making him feel relevant" comment still stands, as per your "Somewhere along the way the tech weenies began to actually ran something, that what they wanted mattered.  That anybody gave a shit about their ideas on how bitcoin would ultimately be used." comment, but I do understand that he is technically relevant because he is one of the people making it so everyone has to rely on him for the service to continue.

In one way I hope classic actually shows a sliver of getting released, but we'll have to see if drama will overtake that too.

I do enjoy your points, and I hope to have more dialogue with you in the future.


I am willing to say that a majority of the sellers are doing so because of the political climate within Bitcoin, and will most likely return once the victory-result is clear. It will depend more on if Bitcoin will return to previous levels or spiral into obscurity, like you said.
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January 15, 2016, 07:46:35 PM
Hero member just means they've posted over 450 times (on average) over 450 days, or made 14 posts each 2 weeks. This means you can add more content to your signature, and it makes your account worth more on this forum. This typically also means a user has more experience with this board, and has interacted enough with everyone else to know what their doing.

Mike Hearn is not a very rich or important figure when it comes to Bitcoin, his announcement was merely timed with the cryptsy collapse announcement, and they merely compounded on top of each other to form an issue. Mike had no individual effect, he was just waiting to make himself feel relevant.
You are an idiot, and a prime reason why so many people are bailing on bitcoin presently.  Let's look at how the New York Times has framed this "nobody" named Mike Hearn.....

"He was one of a handful of developers around the world dedicated to maintaining the basic software that governs both the creation of new Bitcoins and the network on which the financial transactions take place.

But a nasty fight has torn apart the small brotherhood of Bitcoin developers and raised questions about the survival of the virtual currency. Mr. Hearn, until recently one of the most prominent leaders of the Bitcoin project, became so disillusioned that in December he sold the few hundred Bitcoins he had left......."


LET ME TELL YOU what this is about.  It has been brewing a long time.  Big money in wallstreet, in banks, and venture capitolists have been funding the growth of bitcoin.  They are serious, professional people, that have definite financial motives in mind.  They write the paychecks for the loser little tech weenie punks that write code for them.  Somewhere along the way the tech weenies began to actually think they ran something, that what they wanted mattered.  That anybody gave a shit about their ideas on how bitcoin would ultimately be used.

At first it was amusing.  But now people are not amused anymore.  I assure you that this death spiral that is potentially setting up in bitcoin was triggered directly by Mike Hearn's Statements.

I do not support Mike Hearn.  I think he is an ass.  But I would take him a dozen times over these Blockstream/Core idiots that HAVE CAUSED ALL OF THIS.  

Currently I still see a 50/50 chance that Bitcoin survives and prevails against the looming FIATCOIN that is going to be launched against Bitcoin.  But just barely.   Myself and many many others are watching for just a single, solitary sign.... that Classic will actually be delivered.  But already I see that group getting bogged down in stupid discussions.  They just can't seem to shut up and code like they are paid to.
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January 15, 2016, 07:29:02 PM
Wont change the fact that you're a newbie
I joined this forum a few months before you, and you seem to be a hero member. What it makes me?

...who knows nothing...
You're right here.
I know nothing, except for the fact that now your "Mike" is working for a dangerous and extremely rich enemy of Bitcoin.
Hero member just means they've posted over 450 times (on average) over 450 days, or made 14 posts each 2 weeks. This means you can add more content to your signature, and it makes your account worth more on this forum. This typically also means a user has more experience with this board, and has interacted enough with everyone else to know what their doing.

Mike Hearn is not a very rich or important figure when it comes to Bitcoin, his announcement was merely timed with the cryptsy collapse announcement, and they merely compounded on top of each other to form an issue. Mike had no individual effect, he was just waiting to make himself feel relevant.
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January 15, 2016, 06:31:20 PM
Wont change the fact that you're a newbie
I joined this forum a few months before you, and you seem to be a hero member. What it makes me?

...who knows nothing...
You're right here.
I know nothing, except for the fact that now your "Mike" is working for a dangerous and extremely rich enemy of Bitcoin.
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January 15, 2016, 02:54:14 PM
what makes you believe he sold all his coins first? is there a way he could prove he owns nothing more? Smiley


Guess he sold hes coins before the article, and now he waits for a better price to pick up some new coins , laughing all the way to the bank Cheesy
legendary
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January 15, 2016, 02:33:35 PM
what makes you believe he sold all his coins first? is there a way he could prove he owns nothing more? Smiley
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Making money since I was in the womb! @emc2whale
January 15, 2016, 02:30:53 PM
Here is what Mr. Hearn did recently, the timeline:

1. Mr. Hearn ensured the job at R3, the leader of international banking consortium, established to disrupt Bitcoin. The banks and financial institutions of the consortium collectively control trillions of dollars.

2. Mr. Hearn sold his coins.

3. Mr. Hearn published the "The resolution of the Bitcoin experiment" article, where he stated that "Bitcoin has failed".


Mr. Hearn currently is a new R3 employee, not a Bitcoin developer. If he, as he should be, is loyal to his employer, his new objective is to damage Bitcoin.

From this perspective his actions make perfect sense.

Yeah bro. Hate on mike all you want. Wont change the fact that you're a newbie who knows nothing and he left a cush job to work for pennies to help bitcoin.
Yet you know more then him.
Gotcha!
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January 15, 2016, 02:29:03 PM
OK , Mike hearn's bitcoin fork version which supports tx rollback , IP black list & 20M block IS DEAD  Grin
Sorry , we can't allow that shit  ,  mike

Facts spinning , in Mike Hearn post, about the possibility of revering tx and changeable fee in bitcoin core displeases me.

Cap it all, is that really him, who, conversely, wanna revering tx and ip blocklists ??   Angry
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January 15, 2016, 12:56:38 PM
Here is what Mr. Hearn did recently, the timeline:

1. Mr. Hearn ensured the job at R3, the leader of international banking consortium, established to disrupt Bitcoin. The banks and financial institutions of the consortium collectively control trillions of dollars.

2. Mr. Hearn sold his coins.

3. Mr. Hearn published the "The resolution of the Bitcoin experiment" article, where he stated that "Bitcoin has failed".


Mr. Hearn currently is a new R3 employee, not a Bitcoin developer. If he, as he should be, is loyal to his employer, his new objective is to damage Bitcoin.

From this perspective his actions make perfect sense.
legendary
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January 15, 2016, 12:45:42 PM
it's funny to see how some people really believe this guy Smiley

it's the perfect time for buying i hope it will decrease even a little more.

think long term.... don't get scared by some bigger wave.

we are all part of a phenomenon not just an "experiment".
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January 15, 2016, 12:09:12 PM
Bitcoin Classic rolls out, and days later there is no word about it in the News Media.

Mike Hearn declares Bitcoin dead and within hours it is in the New York Times.....
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/17/business/dealbook/the-bitcoin-believer-who-gave-up.html

Mark my words: Bitcoin is getting ready to be in a fight for it's life.

On one side are the Blockstream/Core players.  Liars, manipulators, shill, not afraid to destroy the fabric of Bitcoin with every bit of FUD they can dredge up - even if it kills bitcoin, but if they can't have total control, no one can.

On the other side you have Mike Hearn w/R3CEV/Hyperledger/Banks (AND Mainstream Media & Govt backing - don't forget that!)

We are at the start of a foot race to see who gets ready forst for the upcoming global financial meltdown. 

It's pretty clear that Bitcoin Classic will prevail in the upcoming March Fork given the huge amount of support / concensus for it.  But Blockstream seems to wat to make this a do or die fight, and they appear to be willing to destroy the good name of bitcoin if they don't get their way.  The looming battle may be the perfect backdrop of confusion and chaos for a Fiat Coin to rise from the shadows, and with the help of Gov't & Media nods - be introduced to the masses.

Fasten your seatbelts kiddies.... this is going to be a wild ride.  Right now I am betting 50% on Classic / 50% on Fiat Coin.  Current 1mb Blockstream/Core Coin not even worth mentioning in my opinion.  I see 0.001%.

All this story seems me like a serial fiction which produce one series every time that someone lose something or lose everything. After him is the end for everything because him was the key of existence of everything. This time this everything is bitcoin. Personal problems or personal failures for sure are fault of bitcoin and this will cause its dead. Remaining to wait for the next series and the "big" of the turn. Who knows which kind of pearls will invent his chaotic mind after its failure. Poor bitcoin how other time will die because of this losers or unable people to understand that bitcoin has nothing to do with them except the fact that were there who goes to him and used him.
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January 15, 2016, 12:02:50 PM
You don't like my XT? Huh? You all suck and I QUIT!!! Now Go find a shoulder to cry on mark..
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January 15, 2016, 11:55:23 AM
By the looks of it, Mike Hearn is a complete retard. If Bitcoin is dead, then why is the price still so high. Huh Huh Huh Huh

Nah man, look at the bitcoin price now. The bitcoin price keep decrease, and now the bitcoin price is $392.00, i don't know is the price keep decrease or not. but i hope the price will up tomorrow and bitcoin is NOT dead.
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In Satoshi I Trust
January 15, 2016, 11:55:07 AM
the only thing that has failed is Mike Hearn.
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January 15, 2016, 11:38:03 AM
Why is Mike quitting now? Isn't it better to fight with reason and logic rather than with outrage?

He found a better job, a very well paid job. you will do the same. who care about Bitcoin, Shitcoin,Asscoin? The money, cash matters.

The people are not living with hopes and dreams. They need money to live, to pay the rent, the bills, the gas and so on.
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January 15, 2016, 11:37:42 AM
Well, his story + Cryptsy bankrupt = - 50 usd per 1 btc in few hours   Smiley

many people are losing a lot of money already and they will lose more if they won't sell.

You start losing money when you cash out!
Not before!!!
When people are smart they will not fall for this panic train and just wait!I'm sure we will see 400+ again quite soon.
They said this about YAHOO in 1998 tech bubble.  It dropped, and everyone said, WOW! Couldn't possibly drop more.  It dropped more, and everybody said, WOW, glad that is over.  It dropped more again, even bigger.  This cycle repeated until 96% of value was wiped out.

Same thing is going to happen to Bitcoin unless the Classic Fork happens ASAP.   Every single day that this band of Blockstream/Core idiots remains in control, the price will drop even more.  There is no faith or hope in current roadmap.  It leads to Zero.

These scare tactics are getting old now. We all know the current transaction volume does not require any significant block size increase and all stress tests that was done,

by mysterious attackers last year, has proven that. There is no rush to increase the block size and even if it needs to happen, a consensus to do that would force people

into doing that quicker. Mike and his fanboys like to play these tactics and then point the fingers at the Core guys, when they say that they censoring XT discussions on

forums. Both side are using the same dirty tricks, to get what they want... Bitcoin is far from being dead... it's shedding dead skin.  Grin
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January 15, 2016, 11:32:38 AM
Mike's capitulation will be the decisive wake up call that the community needed to save the Bitcoin project.
It was needed to finally fork the totalitarian tyrants and their followers out of the project. Mike will make history of being the savior of Bitcoin.
I disagree.  I think everything I wrote in the OP is even clearer now than it was at the time I wrote it.  The Blockstream/Core Hijaakers are dug in even deeper.  They fail to understand that it is their crippling of bitcoin that has led to this, not Mike Hearn.  The only reason Mike failed is because he got WAY to aggressive with XT.  If he had launched Classic instead, this would have been over months ago and we'd already be running 2b blocks, and Bitcoin would be over $1000, and the entire globe would be pouring in in panic of the financial collapse.  I warned you this would happen.

And now it appears that Blockstream/Core will make this a war to the death, and try and take Bitcoin with them if they can't have their way.  ONLY hope is that the Classic team shuts up talking and simply uploads the 2mb Fork code ASAP.  Deal with the rest of the crap later.  Do the fork as promised and shut up about future development until that has passed.

AND be prepared for R3CEV/HyperLedger/Banks/IBM/Cisco etc to run a fiat coin out against you.  Because what has been learned here?  That THEY have the power.... Media drives everything.  They snap their fingers in a couple of months - and you will see stories all over the world pop up in a matter of seconds saying "Look a thte children's table - the squabbling immature babies of Bitcoin.  We can't have those disorganized infighting nuts running our global finances.  You don't want to trust your money to that!"  And then they will talk endlessly about the new fiat coin, backed by the powers of IBM, CIsco, Banks, etc.... and the Gov'ts will speak in favor, and ALL the sheep will run to the new global fed coin.

Don't think it can happen that fast?  Bitcoin is at $386 as I write this.  It's been less than 24 hours.  That is how fragile Bitcoin is.

Interstingly, once again everybody has missed the point of the OP.  It's like talking to deaf people.  Don't say I didn't warn you.


Mike, while legendary in his forthrightness, is not above exaggeration to fit a narrative. Partly I think he sour graped on the community because XT didn't work out like he wanted. He totally neglects to mention that very, very few Core devs are actually willing to hold to their roadmap if it becomes clear people are leaving in droves. Maybe Greg, Adam, Luke, Peter Todd, and Theymos are, but for the rest their support is contingent on small blocks actually turning out to be no problem.

That means the blocksize issue, even if Core doesn't get forked until the last minute, is self-correcting. The worst that happens is we get a delay.


https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/410rnk/evaluating_mikes_bitcoin_is_dead_claim/cyyrv5j
I understand.  But STILL, everyone is missing the point.  The very fact that this much drama even can develop is absolute evidence to most people - that Bitcoin is governed by idiots.  I have already had about 3 serious discussions since last night with people about whether or not to liquidate bitcoin.  And while still holding tight - it wouldn't take much more for a huge percentage of the industry money to walk away and NEVER look back.  It will most likely be a permanent exit.  Aother solution will rise up if bitcoin crosses that threshold of total loss of confidence.

This whole "wait till the last second" shit is idiocy, and it is further evidence of dealing with nutjobs.  It's like watching the U.S Congress do these Gov't shutdown deals.  They may avoid disaster at hte last second, but what they end up with as a result of the poor decision making process just leaves the country weaker.  And faith and hope that things are improving continues to erode.

I am saying as clearly as I can.... that time is clicking out Very Fast for some tangible evidence that Bitcoin Governance can be trusted.  That it is stable.  There is no waiting for the last second.  THIS IS THE LAST SECOND.
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January 15, 2016, 11:01:13 AM
Mike's capitulation will be the decisive wake up call that the community needed to save the Bitcoin project.
It was needed to finally fork the totalitarian tyrants and their followers out of the project. Mike will make history of being the savior of Bitcoin.
I disagree.  I think everything I wrote in the OP is even clearer now than it was at the time I wrote it.  The Blockstream/Core Hijaakers are dug in even deeper.  They fail to understand that it is their crippling of bitcoin that has led to this, not Mike Hearn.  The only reason Mike failed is because he got WAY to aggressive with XT.  If he had launched Classic instead, this would have been over months ago and we'd already be running 2b blocks, and Bitcoin would be over $1000, and the entire globe would be pouring in in panic of the financial collapse.  I warned you this would happen.

And now it appears that Blockstream/Core will make this a war to the death, and try and take Bitcoin with them if they can't have their way.  ONLY hope is that the Classic team shuts up talking and simply uploads the 2mb Fork code ASAP.  Deal with the rest of the crap later.  Do the fork as promised and shut up about future development until that has passed.

AND be prepared for R3CEV/HyperLedger/Banks/IBM/Cisco etc to run a fiat coin out against you.  Because what has been learned here?  That THEY have the power.... Media drives everything.  They snap their fingers in a couple of months - and you will see stories all over the world pop up in a matter of seconds saying "Look a thte children's table - the squabbling immature babies of Bitcoin.  We can't have those disorganized infighting nuts running our global finances.  You don't want to trust your money to that!"  And then they will talk endlessly about the new fiat coin, backed by the powers of IBM, CIsco, Banks, etc.... and the Gov'ts will speak in favor, and ALL the sheep will run to the new global fed coin.

Don't think it can happen that fast?  Bitcoin is at $386 as I write this.  It's been less than 24 hours.  That is how fragile Bitcoin is.

Interstingly, once again everybody has missed the point of the OP.  It's like talking to deaf people.  Don't say I didn't warn you.


Mike, while legendary in his forthrightness, is not above exaggeration to fit a narrative. Partly I think he sour graped on the community because XT didn't work out like he wanted. He totally neglects to mention that very, very few Core devs are actually willing to hold to their roadmap if it becomes clear people are leaving in droves. Maybe Greg, Adam, Luke, Peter Todd, and Theymos are, but for the rest their support is contingent on small blocks actually turning out to be no problem.

That means the blocksize issue, even if Core doesn't get forked until the last minute, is self-correcting. The worst that happens is we get a delay.


https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/410rnk/evaluating_mikes_bitcoin_is_dead_claim/cyyrv5j
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January 15, 2016, 10:58:14 AM
Why is Mike quitting now? Isn't it better to fight with reason and logic rather than with outrage?
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