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Bitcoin is not a currency.

It’s too volatile to be used as a currency. Nobody will use it to trade if it can gain/lose 10% in just one day! And it’s not just a question of maturity, it’s a design issue. The quantity of money flowing needs to be in line with economic growth. It cannot be constant or follow a predictable function because economic growth is more complex than that. You need some form of intelligence, human or artificial to calibrate the quantity of money. You need some sort of feedback loop to offset unpredictable human behaviour storing currency. Ok central bank gurus have been screwing us but we have to admit that they have maintained inflation within boundary.

Bitcoin is not a store of value.

Like god, silver or any currency Bitcoin is not a store a value because it doesn’t pay any dividend! Don’t make that mistake. And actually it’s worse because it’s actually an asset with negative interest rate! It has a very high burning rate with miners burning millions every day just to maintain the consensus! This is pure value destruction and I’m not even speaking about the environmental cost. You have to see mining fee as a powerful gravity force, the higher Bitcoin is the stronger the force to bring it back to ground level! And ICOs are another form of burning fee. Most ICOs are scams and you will never see back the money they are burning.

So what is Bitcoin?

It looks like a scam, it smells like a scam, it’s definitively a pyramid scam. Given human appetite for gambling it could still rise much much higher at some point it will collapse with or without regulatory help. At the end Bitcoin is a great experiment but a failed experiment. Yes we need an alternative to central bank but Bitcoin is not that alternative.


bitcoin is not a scam you think, because for us bitcoin is reliable we use and save money safely we use, because bitcoin is also very popular all over the world, so I do not think that it is a scam.
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I think you misunderstanding about bitcoin because actually bitcoin is currency and store of value in the same time. Bitcoin as currency because right now many people start receiving bitcoin for payment and people looking bitcoin for their transaction thru internet.
Bitcoin as store of value, bitcoin already traded millions dollar per days and the value always increasing year on year and its like gold in internet world but I think its much better than gold because its much safer and more flexible
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Bitcoin is an electronic asset or we can say it is a store of value.Its popularity is widening tremendously .A good number of people are aware its usefulness to the daily life of the human being.This is a good media for the transaction, good for investment, good for a job with a regular income ,it is usable for domestic and international shopping. Also it can be useful to the day to day life usage for the domestic service bill payment etc.Bitcoin is a store of value it is changing the entire economic concepts so far we have followed.
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Bitcoin is a currency ,but it is circulating only in the digital world or in the internet, it is also a store of value because every altcoins and bitcoin itself has its own different values , which depends upon the market values release every now and then, so bitcoin and other cryptos are just like money.
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Well, you are wrong, because anything that can be exchanged for goods or services is a currency. This could be sea shells, as it has been in the past.

The sales on my website tell a different story, as people are indeed using BTC as a currency, and purchasing tangible goods with it.

As in regard to a store of value, this is also incorrect, as it has certainty been a store of value for many. I have been around on these forums, since before the times of $1 BTC. I think to these people, it has been an amazing store of value.
A very well said statement. Bitcoin is not like the fiat because it is intangible, it is a digital currency. But it still a currency, only then it is so volatile, since, it depend on its demand and supply. But even with its volatility, we can still use them to purchase goods and payments for services. So, how can a bitcoin cannot be called a currency then? And if it does not have a value, why do lots of people want to have it in their wallet? Why are they using it? Do this make sense?
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Bitcoin gets its value because of its demand so its price grows and because of that most people consider it as a currency and it has a stored value.
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I think this will be the trend of future payments and that will be the reason for the bitcoin to be used even more. In addition to being considered a currency, bitcoin also carries the blockchain technology, which is a top-of-the-line technology in the 4.0 era. Surely you will see in the coming time there will be many applications with this blockchain technology.
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Agree! I'm pretty sure that once there are enough services solving real people's needs with blockchain, cryptocurrencty finally can be used as a regular payment method.
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So apparently, gold and silver as well as bitcoin are all not stores of values. Only something that pays dividends will ever be a store of value. Hmm, I wonder that means stocks are a good store of value? Tell that to anybody on the streets and they'll surely disagree.

Bitcoin is not a currency either?? WTF? At least bitcoin can fluctuate upwards as well as downwards while fiat can only lose value over the long term. The definition of currency would be a medium of exchange for every good, and isn't bitcoin exactly that with people paying for stuff in BTC?

You're delusional, dude. If you think that bitcoin isn't a store of value nor a currency, I don't know what meds you've been taking.

Plus, you're wrong about bitcoin's emmission rate. There is a cap of 21 million coins, so the money base cannot inflate past that figure. The inflation rate of BTC will continue to slow down as well well until it becomes stagnant/deflationary.
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Bitcoin is not a currency.
I agree with one of your points but even if bitcoin is volatile, it is still a currency. Why say that bitcoin is not a currency if it is tradeable to real money? It can also be used to buy some items online so it is still a currency. Also you can't call something as scam just because of it being volatile.  Stock market is volatile too so I think it is quite normal for btc to be volatile considering it is still in it's early ages.

It is a type of currencies with different value from the other currency especially in the other countries with crypto currency trading.


I don’t believe that bitcoin is not a currency because if is not then why can it be use in exchange of goods and commodities? In some part of  the world bitcoin is more preferred in doing payments online. And definitely bitcoin is not a scam although some evil people will find a way to make easy money and use the bitcoin name to victimize others.

bitcoin is not a currency for now because we cannot use bitcoin in real life although we can use bitcoin on the internet, still, bitcoin needs more time to be a new currency. better to say that bitcoin is a new type of investment and bitcoin could help us to make money by doing trade in many exchanges. but bitcoin has a big chance to be a new currency in the future if there is much government accepting bitcoin as a new payment type that people can use to pay something.
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Bitcoin is not a currency.
I agree with one of your points but even if bitcoin is volatile, it is still a currency. Why say that bitcoin is not a currency if it is tradeable to real money? It can also be used to buy some items online so it is still a currency. Also you can't call something as scam just because of it being volatile.  Stock market is volatile too so I think it is quite normal for btc to be volatile considering it is still in it's early ages.

It is a type of currencies with different value from the other currency especially in the other countries with crypto currency trading.


I don’t believe that bitcoin is not a currency because if is not then why can it be use in exchange of goods and commodities? In some part of  the world bitcoin is more preferred in doing payments online. And definitely bitcoin is not a scam although some evil people will find a way to make easy money and use the bitcoin name to victimize others.
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Bitcoin is not a currency.
I agree with one of your points but even if bitcoin is volatile, it is still a currency. Why say that bitcoin is not a currency if it is tradeable to real money? It can also be used to buy some items online so it is still a currency. Also you can't call something as scam just because of it being volatile.  Stock market is volatile too so I think it is quite normal for btc to be volatile considering it is still in it's early ages.

It is a type of currencies with different value from the other currency especially in the other countries with crypto currency trading.
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The Oxford dictionary definition of a currency
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A system of money in general use in a particular country.

Wikipedia definition of "store of value"
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A store of value is the function of an asset that can be saved, retrieved and exchanged at a later time, and be predictably useful when retrieved.

Bitcoin seems to fit the bill on both counts.


The key word is 'predictably'. Bitcoin, in its current avatar, fails this test, because of its high volatility. A Bitcoin saved today might not have the same purchasing power a year from now. We might get there eventually, when Bitcoin adoption becomes widespread, liquidity increases and volatility becomes negligible. But we are not there yet.
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I think bitcoin is both a currency and a scam. It's a new asset and with that comes extreme volatility. One bitcoin discovers its value which will be way higher in my opinion only then will the volatility subside and with that will come the ability to use as a currency. Fungability will be realised
To be honest, I do not understand the value of Bitcoin at all. Today, the Crypto-currency is almost the best opportunity for earning and starting capital for your business. Well, that's the future of Bitcoin, because of its uncertain values, it is doubtful.

There's no actual value. Bitcoin's price rises because people expect it to become an alternative for traditional currencies. But in real life you won't pay with BTC unless you need to stay anonymous.
I think this will be the trend of future payments and that will be the reason for the bitcoin to be used even more. In addition to being considered a currency, bitcoin also carries the blockchain technology, which is a top-of-the-line technology in the 4.0 era. Surely you will see in the coming time there will be many applications with this blockchain technology.
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The Oxford dictionary definition of a currency
Quote
A system of money in general use in a particular country.

Wikipedia definition of "store of value"
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A store of value is the function of an asset that can be saved, retrieved and exchanged at a later time, and be predictably useful when retrieved.

Bitcoin seems to fit the bill on both counts.
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I think bitcoin is both a currency and a scam. It's a new asset and with that comes extreme volatility. One bitcoin discovers its value which will be way higher in my opinion only then will the volatility subside and with that will come the ability to use as a currency. Fungability will be realised
To be honest, I do not understand the value of Bitcoin at all. Today, the Crypto-currency is almost the best opportunity for earning and starting capital for your business. Well, that's the future of Bitcoin, because of its uncertain values, it is doubtful.

There's no actual value. Bitcoin's price rises because people expect it to become an alternative for traditional currencies. But in real life you won't pay with BTC unless you need to stay anonymous.
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I think bitcoin is both a currency and a scam. It's a new asset and with that comes extreme volatility. One bitcoin discovers its value which will be way higher in my opinion only then will the volatility subside and with that will come the ability to use as a currency. Fungability will be realised
To be honest, I do not understand the value of Bitcoin at all. Today, the Crypto-currency is almost the best opportunity for earning and starting capital for your business. Well, that's the future of Bitcoin, because of its uncertain values, it is doubtful.
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I think bitcoin is both a currency and a scam. It's a new asset and with that comes extreme volatility. One bitcoin discovers its value which will be way higher in my opinion only then will the volatility subside and with that will come the ability to use as a currency. Fungability will be realised
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I have basic knowledge over finances, but everything you just said looks like a complete nonsense, expect for the volatility part, but doesn't make bitcoin a scam or a pyramid, it just states that bitcoin is still very recent, and it needs to gain more capital in order to become more stable, but given time that will happen.

As for the "gold pays dividends" argument, I don't think you can use it like that. Gold pays dividends over ETFs, but you still don't have bitcoin ETFs, so you don't know if bitcoin will pay dividends or not in the future. Right now, you can get some sort of dividends just by holding bitcoins, every time a fork happens, and if you compare that profit, to the dividend profit you get from gold, you would see that you would be gaining more from BTC.
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Bitcoin is not a currency.

It’s too volatile to be used as a currency. Nobody will use it to trade if it can gain/lose 10% in just one day! And it’s not just a question of maturity, it’s a design issue. The quantity of money flowing needs to be in line with economic growth. It cannot be constant or follow a predictable function because economic growth is more complex than that. You need some form of intelligence, human or artificial to calibrate the quantity of money. You need some sort of feedback loop to offset unpredictable human behaviour storing currency. Ok central bank gurus have been screwing us but we have to admit that they have maintained inflation within boundary.

Bitcoin is not a store of value.

Like god, silver or any currency Bitcoin is not a store a value because it doesn’t pay any dividend! Don’t make that mistake. And actually it’s worse because it’s actually an asset with negative interest rate! It has a very high burning rate with miners burning millions every day just to maintain the consensus! This is pure value destruction and I’m not even speaking about the environmental cost. You have to see mining fee as a powerful gravity force, the higher Bitcoin is the stronger the force to bring it back to ground level! And ICOs are another form of burning fee. Most ICOs are scams and you will never see back the money they are burning.

So what is Bitcoin?

It looks like a scam, it smells like a scam, it’s definitively a pyramid scam. Given human appetite for gambling it could still rise much much higher at some point it will collapse with or without regulatory help. At the end Bitcoin is a great experiment but a failed experiment. Yes we need an alternative to central bank but Bitcoin is not that alternative.

This is just a bunch of nonsense central bankers have not kept the inflation in line in fact the inflation rate is way higher than what the number say also their main occupation is to defend to purchasing power of the population and they have been failing spectacularly at that, besides when people mined gold and silver they had no control of whether they found more gold or silver and yet they had working economies, so we do not need a benevolent dictator doing that for us.
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it is clear that today many people consider bitcoin as an investment asset, not as a currency, because bitcoin growth is very fast and its value is very high today, making it a place to invest money is the right choice, be it for the long or  short, I also allocate the money I have and invest it in bitcoin because I think it will be very profitable in the future,
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