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March 08, 2017, 04:26:10 PM
bitcoin is long time in curency, ETF aprove or disaprove bitcoin still work
but if ETF, SEC and PBOC legalcy bitcoin, bitcoin can strong and very long time curency, and bitcoin price can incraese very high

It was never about the ETF or any governing agency! Bitcoin was never a currency in the first place. It was just coin that way but in reality there will be no jurisdiction in the world that would recognize Bitcoins as a legitimate currency. This is because a currency, by definition, is a tender of payment that is backed up by gold or a country. Which bitcoin is neither.
Currency definition (Oxford Dictionary):
"a system of money in general use in a particular country".

Interestingly, the dictionary views money as "in the form of coins and banknotes", suggesting that it would be in physical form.  But when people mention that Bitcoin is a currency they nearly always mention that it is based online - a cryptocurrency.  Therefore in its own sense it was definitely a currency.

But rather than worrying pedantically about whether it was exactly a currency, we can just say that it was definitely intended as a means of transferring goods - one that was convenient and decentralised and the idea is very good.  Unfortunately, OP is right that in many cases, it is viewed as a stock.  But I do believe that Bitcoin can get past this hurdle.  I don't think that having a deflationary currency inherently results in hoarding because people still need to buy things in their lives.  The only issue is scalability and Bitcoin's community is principled enough to genuinely make progress because as soon as we are past this we reach a new stage in which Bitcoin can (potentially) be used in everyday life.

It can even be both an asset and a currency which, frankly, is just win-win for people who take part and encourages people to use Bitcoin.  There are so many uses because they could even buy other assets with what they already view to be an asset.
For me, first of all, bitcoin is a commodity for which I can receive money. To date, we all know that without fiat is indispensable and if there are opportunities to sell or trade bitcoin, then this is the best choice.
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March 08, 2017, 01:09:25 PM
bitcoin is long time in curency, ETF aprove or disaprove bitcoin still work
but if ETF, SEC and PBOC legalcy bitcoin, bitcoin can strong and very long time curency, and bitcoin price can incraese very high

It was never about the ETF or any governing agency! Bitcoin was never a currency in the first place. It was just coin that way but in reality there will be no jurisdiction in the world that would recognize Bitcoins as a legitimate currency. This is because a currency, by definition, is a tender of payment that is backed up by gold or a country. Which bitcoin is neither.
Currency definition (Oxford Dictionary):
"a system of money in general use in a particular country".

Interestingly, the dictionary views money as "in the form of coins and banknotes", suggesting that it would be in physical form.  But when people mention that Bitcoin is a currency they nearly always mention that it is based online - a cryptocurrency.  Therefore in its own sense it was definitely a currency.

But rather than worrying pedantically about whether it was exactly a currency, we can just say that it was definitely intended as a means of transferring goods - one that was convenient and decentralised and the idea is very good.  Unfortunately, OP is right that in many cases, it is viewed as a stock.  But I do believe that Bitcoin can get past this hurdle.  I don't think that having a deflationary currency inherently results in hoarding because people still need to buy things in their lives.  The only issue is scalability and Bitcoin's community is principled enough to genuinely make progress because as soon as we are past this we reach a new stage in which Bitcoin can (potentially) be used in everyday life.

It can even be both an asset and a currency which, frankly, is just win-win for people who take part and encourages people to use Bitcoin.  There are so many uses because they could even buy other assets with what they already view to be an asset.
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March 08, 2017, 12:57:31 PM
bitcoin is long time in curency, ETF aprove or disaprove bitcoin still work
but if ETF, SEC and PBOC legalcy bitcoin, bitcoin can strong and very long time curency, and bitcoin price can incraese very high

It was never about the ETF or any governing agency! Bitcoin was never a currency in the first place. It was just coin that way but in reality there will be no jurisdiction in the world that would recognize Bitcoins as a legitimate currency. This is because a currency, by definition, is a tender of payment that is backed up by gold or a country. Which bitcoin is neither

You seem to be confused a lot

First, you seem to be confusing a legitimate currency with a legal tender. Legal tender is what government has taken an obligation onto itself to accept as a means of payment for duties, taxes and debts. But that pretty much all there is to the idea of legal tender. In many jurisdictions no merchant or provider is obliged to accept what the government sets as legal tender. Essentially, it is their free choice to refuse you what you offer as payment. Further, foreign currencies are not legal tender either (unless explicitly accepted as such, e.g. in some small countries which adopted the US dollar as their national currency), but that doesn't make them somehow illegitimate or illegal. And in some countries Bitcoin is officially declared as a foreign currency (e.g. in the EU)
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March 08, 2017, 12:49:46 PM
I am agree on it, mostly people not accept that bitcoin is a currency, because people are using bitcoin for gain profit. So i think it doesn't matter bitcoin is a currency or not, because bitcoin give us a easy way to make money.

but you can also use it as a currency, and you can make money with USD market too, never heard of forex man? bitcoin is no different, bitcoin is both like gold and like a currency, this is the beauty of bitcoin
Bitcoin was having a lot of the advantages, But mostly person is using it for taking more profit. In fact bitcoin still also has used by a lot of the people to fill his daily life.
Really the beauty of bitcoin.
Even if the main reason bitcoin is used is to get profit and not because they believe in the technology it is still fine, since those persons will definitely become part of the bitcoin economy in the long term since bitcoin will keep offering chances to profit big.
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March 08, 2017, 12:48:48 PM
bitcoin is long time in curency, ETF aprove or disaprove bitcoin still work
but if ETF, SEC and PBOC legalcy bitcoin, bitcoin can strong and very long time curency, and bitcoin price can incraese very high
you are right. whatever their decision, bitcoin will still be used as money on the internet. but, I think it will also affect the quality of bitcoin. but, when they gave a good response about bitcoin, I think the price will rise, and everyone will say that bitcoin is currency.
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March 08, 2017, 12:36:39 PM
bitcoin is long time in curency, ETF aprove or disaprove bitcoin still work
but if ETF, SEC and PBOC legalcy bitcoin, bitcoin can strong and very long time curency, and bitcoin price can incraese very high

It was never about the ETF or any governing agency! Bitcoin was never a currency in the first place. It was just coin that way but in reality there will be no jurisdiction in the world that would recognize Bitcoins as a legitimate currency. This is because a currency, by definition, is a tender of payment that is backed up by gold or a country. Which bitcoin is neither.
no , currency should be defined as a tool to pay something , to buy something and recognized by a group or an institution which bitcoin has in all of those criteria. satoshi clearly stated that bitcoin A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System , which means it is a currency , you know that.

the problem now , a lot of people hold bitcoin more than those people who spend it .
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March 08, 2017, 10:47:53 AM
bitcoin is long time in curency, ETF aprove or disaprove bitcoin still work
but if ETF, SEC and PBOC legalcy bitcoin, bitcoin can strong and very long time curency, and bitcoin price can incraese very high

It was never about the ETF or any governing agency! Bitcoin was never a currency in the first place. It was just coin that way but in reality there will be no jurisdiction in the world that would recognize Bitcoins as a legitimate currency. This is because a currency, by definition, is a tender of payment that is backed up by gold or a country. Which bitcoin is neither.
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March 08, 2017, 10:33:55 AM
bitcoin is long time in curency, ETF aprove or disaprove bitcoin still work
but if ETF, SEC and PBOC legalcy bitcoin, bitcoin can strong and very long time curency, and bitcoin price can incraese very high
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March 08, 2017, 08:01:19 AM
Bitcoin was not an ordinary currency online. It is actually an extraordinary virtual currency, I've ever seen in my entire life honestly speaking. I cannot say that bitcoin is not a currency, How can we say its not a currency if we can use it as commodity into our daily expenses, or use it as sending money to our loved ones, also even in electric bill, water bill, telephone bill, is this a type of of no longer a currency? It is alternative currency which is bitcoin in online world of payment.
although bitcoin is a commodity and created for the purpose as an investment but the passage of time. bitcoin has many advantages so that the current can be used as currency or payment options
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March 08, 2017, 07:55:41 AM
Bitcoin was not an ordinary currency online. It is actually an extraordinary virtual currency, I've ever seen in my entire life honestly speaking. I cannot say that bitcoin is not a currency, How can we say its not a currency if we can use it as commodity into our daily expenses, or use it as sending money to our loved ones, also even in electric bill, water bill, telephone bill, is this a type of of no longer a currency? It is alternative currency which is bitcoin in online world of payment.
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March 07, 2017, 07:18:28 PM
bitcoin is a cryptographic code in a database with timestamped entries.  the function for bitcoins is changing and will change. you can use it for short datastorage, as a currency, as an asset, as an smartcontract etc. it depend on the eco system development what is going to be possible ...

Just say that bitcoin is a crypto currency. And I do believe that bitcoin will always be a currency for all of us who keep on using it. Because the transactions are happening everyday and we can see that there's a delay of confirmation. It means that many people are transacting everyday and uses bitcoin as a currency.

Indeed Bitcoin will never be called a cryptoCURRENCY  if it is not a currency.  Funny how people push their agenda eventthough it is out of the context.  Though Bitcoin can function as store of value but the main reason why it is created is to be a currency that is uncontrolled by the government or any financial institution.
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March 07, 2017, 07:11:09 PM
bitcoin is a cryptographic code in a database with timestamped entries.  the function for bitcoins is changing and will change. you can use it for short datastorage, as a currency, as an asset, as an smartcontract etc. it depend on the eco system development what is going to be possible ...

Just say that bitcoin is a crypto currency. And I do believe that bitcoin will always be a currency for all of us who keep on using it. Because the transactions are happening everyday and we can see that there's a delay of confirmation. It means that many people are transacting everyday and uses bitcoin as a currency.
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March 07, 2017, 05:10:45 PM
The article is not technically incorrect and we can certainly say bitcoin as a tech stock which gives us a very good investment opportunity even in the global economic slowdown. Bitcoin is first of its kind currency which can be generated from a computer program. So bitcoin doesn't have any inherited value. The value it has, it is based on public trust only.

Since people are investing heavily in bitcoin, it is getting so much attention and the market cap is increasing like rocket keeping the price also higher than any other currency. So I personally prefer to invest in bitcoin than to spend it for silly reasons. So it can be taken as an investment instead of currency.
I like to ask if any currency had ever been invested into before, It seems not to be property of a known currency. I stand to be corrected.
Having two incomes, and separately receiving bitcoin and fiat, it is possible to invest Fiat, and beatcoin to save. I like investing in real estate. This is a good income.

In order to invest in real estate you need to accumulate a lot of money. This is a serious investment.
In bitcoin it is easier to invest, because you can buy only a small part of this coin
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March 07, 2017, 04:56:06 PM
The article is not technically incorrect and we can certainly say bitcoin as a tech stock which gives us a very good investment opportunity even in the global economic slowdown. Bitcoin is first of its kind currency which can be generated from a computer program. So bitcoin doesn't have any inherited value. The value it has, it is based on public trust only.

Since people are investing heavily in bitcoin, it is getting so much attention and the market cap is increasing like rocket keeping the price also higher than any other currency. So I personally prefer to invest in bitcoin than to spend it for silly reasons. So it can be taken as an investment instead of currency.
I like to ask if any currency had ever been invested into before, It seems not to be property of a known currency. I stand to be corrected.
Having two incomes, and separately receiving bitcoin and fiat, it is possible to invest Fiat, and beatcoin to save. I like investing in real estate. This is a good income.
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March 07, 2017, 04:46:30 PM
bitcoin is a cryptographic code in a database with timestamped entries.  the function for bitcoins is changing and will change. you can use it for short datastorage, as a currency, as an asset, as an smartcontract etc. it depend on the eco system development what is going to be possible ...
Completely agree with you , i have seen a lot of people put their marriage messages in the bitcoin blockchain.

It would become more popular in the future , depends on what you need as long as it's related to cryptograph bitcoin could be used as anything!

But people start concern about the high price and recently they see it as an opportunity to make money as investment , the function as digital money would always there exist.
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March 07, 2017, 04:33:30 PM
The article is not technically incorrect and we can certainly say bitcoin as a tech stock which gives us a very good investment opportunity even in the global economic slowdown. Bitcoin is first of its kind currency which can be generated from a computer program. So bitcoin doesn't have any inherited value. The value it has, it is based on public trust only.

Since people are investing heavily in bitcoin, it is getting so much attention and the market cap is increasing like rocket keeping the price also higher than any other currency. So I personally prefer to invest in bitcoin than to spend it for silly reasons. So it can be taken as an investment instead of currency.
I like to ask if any currency had ever been invested into before, It seems not to be property of a known currency. I stand to be corrected.
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March 07, 2017, 04:02:52 PM
I am agree on it, mostly people not accept that bitcoin is a currency, because people are using bitcoin for gain profit. So i think it doesn't matter bitcoin is a currency or not, because bitcoin give us a easy way to make money.

but you can also use it as a currency, and you can make money with USD market too, never heard of forex man? bitcoin is no different, bitcoin is both like gold and like a currency, this is the beauty of bitcoin
yes that is right that bitcoin can be use as currency as both options for online as well as for fiat, in some place where the users of bitcoin are more and where the shopkeepers also know about the importance of bitcoin and they know about the importance of bitcoin then people have opportunities there to use bitcoin.
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March 07, 2017, 03:30:07 PM
I am agree on it, mostly people not accept that bitcoin is a currency, because people are using bitcoin for gain profit. So i think it doesn't matter bitcoin is a currency or not, because bitcoin give us a easy way to make money.

but you can also use it as a currency, and you can make money with USD market too, never heard of forex man? bitcoin is no different, bitcoin is both like gold and like a currency, this is the beauty of bitcoin
i think that there is no doubt that bitcoin is a currency and it will remain as currency in future also. i think in future the use of bitcoin as currency will be more and more, because the number of shops who are accepting bitcoin is increasing too much.
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March 07, 2017, 12:59:47 PM
https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2013/04/bitcoin-is-no-longer-a-currency/274859/

An article from The Atlantic magazine - from 2013, way back in 2013 - declaring that bitcoin is not a currency, but "the ultimate tech stock"!

The four years since the article was written has proven that bitcoin is akin to an Amazon or Facebook (stock, not company), and much less "Pets.com". That's a good thing.

I have to agree with them. Every week that passes without a new company in any local metropolitan area deciding to accept bitcoin as currency is a two weeks further away from bitcoin actually being adopted, mainstream, as a currency.

Bitcoin is an investment. A stock or an asset class/commodity can be debated, although it doesn't much matter. Bitcoin is a store of value not a medium of exchange.

What do you think?

There is actually a thin line in separating the two when it comes to the issue of bitcoin. If it were to be gold, I would have agreed perfectly but not for bitcoin because it equally works as a medium of exchange, at the same time as a store of value. On this forum, we have people earn bitcoin for services rendered at the same time some people prefer to buy and hold in other to make more money. At the same time, when they are ready to sell, they sell to those who will be ready to use it to pay for services and the cycle continues.
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March 07, 2017, 11:36:48 AM
I use it both as currency and investment, but only for small transactions. Until such time that more people around the world becomes familiarized with bitcoin, then it will be easier to use it as a currency where there will be more merchants to accept it in every part of the world.

People knowing Bitcoin is just one aspect of the many. If you want to see people embrace Bitcoin as currency, you must realize that Bitcoin has to offer a better payment experience than what fiat is offering. Fiat expands its usability through all sorts of payment services, where these services allow people to enjoy all sorts of privileges (e.g. insurance on everything you buy, charge backs, etc). Bitcoin must perform significantly better (in currency aspect) will people ever want to prefer Bitcoin over the fiat related services they make use of

Honestly, I'm more inclined to think that these are in fact minor issues

Indeed, it would be better if transactions were faster (or still better if they were just instant) but ten minutes is still a pretty close approximation to perfection (fiat transfers are nowhere near instant either). As to me, a heavily inflating currency would still be by far inferior to a rock-solid Bitcoin even if the former were outperforming the latter in every aspect of usability. Because no matter what number you multiply by null, you will still end up with only null. Consequently, it is more important for Bitcoin to become stable than to become (more) usable. But that is a preferred choice which we basically lack, i.e. we are stuck with Bitcoin volatility and therefore this competition is a losing game, anyway (if we reverse this approach)
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