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May 10, 2017, 09:12:33 AM
Well, the more others says that bitcoin is no longer a currency it became more a legal currency online and also became popular too. Look a the price value of bitcoin at the present time now it is almost 1700$ each bitcoin. The demand was getting higher more and more and many businesses too are also adopting the concept of bitcoin.

Bitcoin is more than a currency, bitcoin has risen to an asset for one's investment, because many people get big profits from current price spike. Demand for bitcoin is increasing, giving extra benefits to bitcoin owners who hold it.

This has a lot more to do with hedge funds who have gotten into Bitcoin than individual users. Institutional managers have far more ability to affect the price than regular folks, and over the past few years there have been numerous private funds that have been started to buy and hold Bitcoin on behalf of wealthy investors

Do you know any of these?

Apart from the Winklevii twins (who might in fact be managing someone else's money, not only their own), I have never heard of investment (hedge) funds involved or even interested in Bitcoin. It is obvious that they cannot officially (legally) invest the money of their clients in Bitcoin (at least, not in the US as it seems to be the case after the rejection of the Bitcoin ETF by the SEC) but, on the other hand, if they are doing that via some gray schemes, how do you in fact know that there are "numerous private funds" trying their hand at managing Bitcoin assets?
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May 09, 2017, 11:07:01 PM
I agree with the OP.
BTC has never been a currency.
It is a commodity like gold, except it is a digital Commodity, with no actual intrinsic value.

It is mainly used for barter like wampum beads that American Indians used to barter with.

I do like BTC but I think I will start trading more in coins with some intrinsic value.

I like to look at new Coins to speculate on and a new one on C-CEX today looked promising.

It is backed by mining and Bullion.
Which I find Very interesting as a trader.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1907361.new#new


UNY on C-Cex

hero member
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May 09, 2017, 10:45:53 PM
Well, the more others says that bitcoin is no longer a currency it became more a legal currency online and also became popular too. Look a the price value of bitcoin at the present time now it is almost 1700$ each bitcoin. The demand was getting higher more and more and many businesses too are also adopting the concept of bitcoin.

Bitcoin is more than a currency, bitcoin has risen to an asset for one's investment, because many people get big profits from current price spike. Demand for bitcoin is increasing, giving extra benefits to bitcoin owners who hold it.

Well, if bitcoin is not considered a currency, then it is considered a good asset for the future which is constantly growing rapidly.
i think everyone consider here that bitcoin is unique and wonderful currency and we know that bitcoin already change the life of maximum people and bitcoin is the way of income and many jobless people are earning income from bitcoin.
to me i think bitcoin is created on the basis of currency and specially as online currency, but as the users of bitcoin are not yet so more therefore people are using it for trading. and they are getting good profit from trading. i am hopeful that when the users of bitcoin will increase and when it will become possible for the people to use bitcoin as currency in their local shops then they will certainly use bitcoin as currency.

Bitcoin as of right now is more used as a tool for speculation than an actual currency. hopefully as more countries such as Japan approve of bitcoin and more people start using it, bitcoin will develop into the decentralized currency it was designed to be.
Bitcoin is already decentralized but there is a threat that bitcoin can be centralized and will be controlled by the governments in other country that can adopt bitcoin like in Russia that they will accept and adopt bitcoin but they will control and monitor the transactions of bitcoin which is against to the features of bitcoin for being anonymous.

Well that would be bad if government will control bitcoins since i think this coin will be controlled and prices of it will decreased nor increasing slowly and limited so thats why its truly better to let bitcoins handled by nobody so that we can see the price will surge up for more.

We Should let the countries adopt the bitcoin but we should not let them control it since it can kill its ecosystem.
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May 09, 2017, 10:38:16 PM
Well, the more others says that bitcoin is no longer a currency it became more a legal currency online and also became popular too. Look a the price value of bitcoin at the present time now it is almost 1700$ each bitcoin. The demand was getting higher more and more and many businesses too are also adopting the concept of bitcoin.

Bitcoin is more than a currency, bitcoin has risen to an asset for one's investment, because many people get big profits from current price spike. Demand for bitcoin is increasing, giving extra benefits to bitcoin owners who hold it.

Well, if bitcoin is not considered a currency, then it is considered a good asset for the future which is constantly growing rapidly.
i think everyone consider here that bitcoin is unique and wonderful currency and we know that bitcoin already change the life of maximum people and bitcoin is the way of income and many jobless people are earning income from bitcoin.
to me i think bitcoin is created on the basis of currency and specially as online currency, but as the users of bitcoin are not yet so more therefore people are using it for trading. and they are getting good profit from trading. i am hopeful that when the users of bitcoin will increase and when it will become possible for the people to use bitcoin as currency in their local shops then they will certainly use bitcoin as currency.

Bitcoin as of right now is more used as a tool for speculation than an actual currency. hopefully as more countries such as Japan approve of bitcoin and more people start using it, bitcoin will develop into the decentralized currency it was designed to be.
Bitcoin is already decentralized but there is a threat that bitcoin can be centralized and will be controlled by the governments in other country that can adopt bitcoin like in Russia that they will accept and adopt bitcoin but they will control and monitor the transactions of bitcoin which is against to the features of bitcoin for being anonymous.
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May 09, 2017, 10:25:35 PM
Well, the more others says that bitcoin is no longer a currency it became more a legal currency online and also became popular too. Look a the price value of bitcoin at the present time now it is almost 1700$ each bitcoin. The demand was getting higher more and more and many businesses too are also adopting the concept of bitcoin.

Bitcoin is more than a currency, bitcoin has risen to an asset for one's investment, because many people get big profits from current price spike. Demand for bitcoin is increasing, giving extra benefits to bitcoin owners who hold it.

Well, if bitcoin is not considered a currency, then it is considered a good asset for the future which is constantly growing rapidly.
i think everyone consider here that bitcoin is unique and wonderful currency and we know that bitcoin already change the life of maximum people and bitcoin is the way of income and many jobless people are earning income from bitcoin.
to me i think bitcoin is created on the basis of currency and specially as online currency, but as the users of bitcoin are not yet so more therefore people are using it for trading. and they are getting good profit from trading. i am hopeful that when the users of bitcoin will increase and when it will become possible for the people to use bitcoin as currency in their local shops then they will certainly use bitcoin as currency.

Bitcoin as of right now is more used as a tool for speculation than an actual currency. hopefully as more countries such as Japan approve of bitcoin and more people start using it, bitcoin will develop into the decentralized currency it was designed to be.
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May 09, 2017, 07:40:59 PM
Well, the more others says that bitcoin is no longer a currency it became more a legal currency online and also became popular too. Look a the price value of bitcoin at the present time now it is almost 1700$ each bitcoin. The demand was getting higher more and more and many businesses too are also adopting the concept of bitcoin.

Bitcoin is more than a currency, bitcoin has risen to an asset for one's investment, because many people get big profits from current price spike. Demand for bitcoin is increasing, giving extra benefits to bitcoin owners who hold it.

Well, if bitcoin is not considered a currency, then it is considered a good asset for the future which is constantly growing rapidly.
i think everyone consider here that bitcoin is unique and wonderful currency and we know that bitcoin already change the life of maximum people and bitcoin is the way of income and many jobless people are earning income from bitcoin.
to me i think bitcoin is created on the basis of currency and specially as online currency, but as the users of bitcoin are not yet so more therefore people are using it for trading. and they are getting good profit from trading. i am hopeful that when the users of bitcoin will increase and when it will become possible for the people to use bitcoin as currency in their local shops then they will certainly use bitcoin as currency.
legendary
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May 09, 2017, 07:10:46 PM
Bitcoin has become a trend in financial world. Although virtual, many types of businesses are adopting bitcoin technology. And this became one source of income for people who are observant.
They are adopting it because they can see the financial system will be upgraded if they are going to use bitcoin.
I can't see anything can upgrade the financial system by use bitcoin (i.e to be the future payment for everyone).
The possibility of improving the financial system is through the blockchain itself. The blockchain provides the automation of the database usage. It will give a lot of advantage for the financial institution.

But, this time a lot of parties just realized bitcoin as an investment opportunity and no more.
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May 09, 2017, 04:58:29 PM
Bitcoin has become a trend in financial world. Although virtual, many types of businesses are adopting bitcoin technology. And this became one source of income for people who are observant.

They are adopting it because they can see the financial system will be upgraded if they are going to use bitcoin. And for others that are keep on saying bias words against bitcoin they really don't want it to become on the trend. They want to do something bad to noise it out so that others who are currently entering bitcoin will be scared.
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May 09, 2017, 04:48:07 PM
Well, the more others says that bitcoin is no longer a currency it became more a legal currency online and also became popular too. Look a the price value of bitcoin at the present time now it is almost 1700$ each bitcoin. The demand was getting higher more and more and many businesses too are also adopting the concept of bitcoin.

Bitcoin is more than a currency, bitcoin has risen to an asset for one's investment, because many people get big profits from current price spike. Demand for bitcoin is increasing, giving extra benefits to bitcoin owners who hold it.

Well, if bitcoin is not considered a currency, then it is considered a good asset for the future which is constantly growing rapidly.
i think everyone consider here that bitcoin is unique and wonderful currency and we know that bitcoin already change the life of maximum people and bitcoin is the way of income and many jobless people are earning income from bitcoin.

I agree Bitcoin is a unique currency, being the first mover of decentralized blockchain, having a huge community, several store to accept it and even a country that recognize Bitcoin.  Probably OP is thinking about Bitcoin being store of value, and  i also agree with that but it is not the main function of Bitcoin, it is just  a bonus that is packaged to Bitcoin.
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May 09, 2017, 04:34:23 PM
Well, the more others says that bitcoin is no longer a currency it became more a legal currency online and also became popular too. Look a the price value of bitcoin at the present time now it is almost 1700$ each bitcoin. The demand was getting higher more and more and many businesses too are also adopting the concept of bitcoin.

Bitcoin is more than a currency, bitcoin has risen to an asset for one's investment, because many people get big profits from current price spike. Demand for bitcoin is increasing, giving extra benefits to bitcoin owners who hold it.

Well, if bitcoin is not considered a currency, then it is considered a good asset for the future which is constantly growing rapidly.
i think everyone consider here that bitcoin is unique and wonderful currency and we know that bitcoin already change the life of maximum people and bitcoin is the way of income and many jobless people are earning income from bitcoin.
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May 09, 2017, 04:05:35 PM
https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2013/04/bitcoin-is-no-longer-a-currency/274859/

An article from The Atlantic magazine - from 2013, way back in 2013 - declaring that bitcoin is not a currency, but "the ultimate tech stock"!

The four years since the article was written has proven that bitcoin is akin to an Amazon or Facebook (stock, not company), and much less "Pets.com". That's a good thing.

I have to agree with them. Every week that passes without a new company in any local metropolitan area deciding to accept bitcoin as currency is a two weeks further away from bitcoin actually being adopted, mainstream, as a currency.

Bitcoin is an investment. A stock or an asset class/commodity can be debated, although it doesn't much matter. Bitcoin is a store of value not a medium of exchange.

What do you think?

This is very very interesting.  I hadn't actually given that a thought.  I suppose if we consider things as they are at the present time in terms of popularity and whether or not states or businesses are adopting the use of bitcoin; i too would have to agree.  Maybe i'm too much of an optimist, but i believe strongly that it will eventually be widely accepted across the world.  I'm of the view that states/businesses probably have people working on the feasibility of crypto in mainstream. 

I do agree that as things stand of today, the article is bang on.
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May 09, 2017, 02:51:37 PM
Bitcoin has become a trend in financial world. Although virtual, many types of businesses are adopting bitcoin technology. And this became one source of income for people who are observant.
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May 09, 2017, 02:15:47 PM
https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2013/04/bitcoin-is-no-longer-a-currency/274859/

An article from The Atlantic magazine - from 2013, way back in 2013 - declaring that bitcoin is not a currency, but "the ultimate tech stock"!

The four years since the article was written has proven that bitcoin is akin to an Amazon or Facebook (stock, not company), and much less "Pets.com". That's a good thing.

I have to agree with them. Every week that passes without a new company in any local metropolitan area deciding to accept bitcoin as currency is a two weeks further away from bitcoin actually being adopted, mainstream, as a currency.

Bitcoin is an investment. A stock or an asset class/commodity can be debated, although it doesn't much matter. Bitcoin is a store of value not a medium of exchange.

What do you think?

I believe that bitcoin is an investment or a virtual currency. In any case, this is a very useful thing to become rich.
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May 09, 2017, 02:12:02 PM
Well, the more others says that bitcoin is no longer a currency it became more a legal currency online and also became popular too. Look a the price value of bitcoin at the present time now it is almost 1700$ each bitcoin. The demand was getting higher more and more and many businesses too are also adopting the concept of bitcoin.

Bitcoin is more than a currency, bitcoin has risen to an asset for one's investment, because many people get big profits from current price spike. Demand for bitcoin is increasing, giving extra benefits to bitcoin owners who hold it.

This has a lot more to do with hedge funds who have gotten into Bitcoin than individual users. Institutional managers have far more ability to affect the price than regular folks, and over the past few years there have been numerous private funds that have been started to buy and hold Bitcoin on behalf of wealthy investors.
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May 09, 2017, 11:39:49 AM
Well, the more others says that bitcoin is no longer a currency it became more a legal currency online and also became popular too. Look a the price value of bitcoin at the present time now it is almost 1700$ each bitcoin. The demand was getting higher more and more and many businesses too are also adopting the concept of bitcoin.

Bitcoin is more than a currency, bitcoin has risen to an asset for one's investment, because many people get big profits from current price spike. Demand for bitcoin is increasing, giving extra benefits to bitcoin owners who hold it.

Well, if bitcoin is not considered a currency, then it is considered a good asset for the future which is constantly growing rapidly.
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May 09, 2017, 11:19:26 AM
Well, the more others says that bitcoin is no longer a currency it became more a legal currency online and also became popular too. Look a the price value of bitcoin at the present time now it is almost 1700$ each bitcoin. The demand was getting higher more and more and many businesses too are also adopting the concept of bitcoin.

Bitcoin is more than a currency, bitcoin has risen to an asset for one's investment, because many people get big profits from current price spike. Demand for bitcoin is increasing, giving extra benefits to bitcoin owners who hold it.
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May 09, 2017, 10:51:20 AM
Well, the more others says that bitcoin is no longer a currency it became more a legal currency online and also became popular too. Look a the price value of bitcoin at the present time now it is almost 1700$ each bitcoin. The demand was getting higher more and more and many businesses too are also adopting the concept of bitcoin.
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May 09, 2017, 12:34:28 AM
At the beginning of bitcoin it is not accepted in our economy as a currency. But they will study the bitcoin that what was the benefits of it in our economy later on bitcoin is accepted as a currency. There are some bitcoin used for criminal transaction because it is anonymous.
and specially in physical shops the shopkeepers are not ready to accept bitcoin, i think still it will take a lot of time when all the people of the world will start using bitcoin and the all the shops will also accept bitcoin for shopping.
but i heard that many shopkeepers accepting bitcoin and i hope that bitcoin will be also acceptable in local shop in your country and bitcoin is trusted currency because people easily will accept bitcoin in their shopping center.
yes in some places for example in Brazil the shopkeepers already accept bitcoin, actually the number of bitcoin users are more there as compare to other places and that is the only reason that even the shopkeepers have good knowledge about bitcoin and therefore they are accepting bitcoin in their shops.
That is right, one of the early adopters of bitcoin is the country of Brazil and i think they have a lot of good results for using bitcoin as their another kind of payment system and the owners of the shops are already earned a lot of money like now that the price of bitcoin is very high and they almost double or triple the value of their bitcoin right now.
Brazil is the one that adopted bitcoin in the early days of its existence. Now this has profited big with the enormous growth happening with bitcoin. Brazil has got more shops that accept bitcoin and soon this will be overcome by Japan as more than 25k merchandisers have started accepting bitcoin making a big moves in the price.
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May 09, 2017, 12:03:25 AM
https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2013/04/bitcoin-is-no-longer-a-currency/274859/

An article from The Atlantic magazine - from 2013, way back in 2013 - declaring that bitcoin is not a currency, but "the ultimate tech stock"!

The four years since the article was written has proven that bitcoin is akin to an Amazon or Facebook (stock, not company), and much less "Pets.com". That's a good thing.

I have to agree with them. Every week that passes without a new company in any local metropolitan area deciding to accept bitcoin as currency is a two weeks further away from bitcoin actually being adopted, mainstream, as a currency.

Bitcoin is an investment. A stock or an asset class/commodity can be debated, although it doesn't much matter. Bitcoin is a store of value not a medium of exchange.

What do you think?

Agree with this completely. Bitcoin doesn't satisfy the definition of a currency, and the part that is most lacking is a stable store of value. It's too volatile, which makes it fantastic for gamblers and speculators to trade in and out of it, but terrible for conducting commerce or using to store wealth, which are necessary for a currency to provide. I can get on board with calling it an investment, but it's clearly a speculative and high risk investment. Based on its characteristics, it cannot be more than that

These are not Bitcoin inherent characteristics or features, by any means

Bitcoin is volatile precisely because it is not used in commerce, though this is sort of a vicious circle here. That is, Bitcoin is not used as a real currency because it is too volatile but it is too volatile because it is not used as a currency. Nonetheless, I still have to add that I don't agree that the most important feature of a currency (which Bitcoin allegedly lacks) is being a stable store of value. But let's assume that you are right (i.e. being a stable store of value is an important if not outright most important characteristic of a currency). In this very case, Bitcoin has everything in it to become such a store of value since its issuance is rigidly fixed, predetermined as well as known in advance to virtually everyone who cares, and there cannot possibly be more than 21M coins in the end. As you can easily conclude, volatility is not inherent to Bitcoin and thus it is necessarily caused by external factors which can change over time

Chicken and the egg argument notwithstanding, instability is an inherent characteristic of bitcoin. Bitcoin has never been stable enough for dependable commerce because it's not backed by anything but a collective sense of what it's worth. If there were no alternative currencies in the world, perhaps it would have a stable value out of necessity. It's because there actually are stable currencies that bitcoin can fluctuate, because wealth created by fluctuating value is preserved by selling out of the position. The fixed supply hasn't done anything to create a stable value, so you have to conclude that the volatility is because no one is interested in it as a currency, but a speculative vehicle from which they can profit from. Of the major functions of money, (medium of exchange, unit of account, store of value) store of value is the only one bitcoin doesn't meet well, and there's no reason to expect that it ever will. Bitcoin will always be short term in nature, because holding long term opens the holder up to the risk of wild fluctuations in the value stored within, which is the last thing anyone should want in a currency

I don't particularly disagree with your attitude

But you still seem to lack a proper understanding and deep insight into the matter of things, in this case into currencies and money. Personally, I would refrain from distinguishing between them here to avoid useless confusion. In other words, you describe effects without trying to delve into the causes of these effects. First of all, any currency (whether is backed up by anything or not) remains a matter of "a collective sense of what it's worth". More specifically, currency worthiness (as a currency) is defined exclusively by whether it is used as a currency or not ("money is what money does"). Gold is dear, but it basically has no monetary utility (read it is not money) because it doesn't and cannot circulate nowadays as a currency

Further, I don't agree that "a store of value is the only [function] bitcoin doesn't meet well". Not that I deny that it is factually wrong. It would be going against reality to argue to the contrary (at least, so far). What I mean to say is that Bitcoin's store of value advantage before fiat currencies gets heavily overridden and massively "run over" by external factors. Nevertheless, this built-in feature, its essence of sorts, is still showing through when we see attempts at instigating panic sell-off now and then, which still miserably fail. In other words, the kind of volatility we see today is not the volatility of some trash asset or money. It seems to be directed primarily upwards, and it is debatable whether we can call it volatility at all

While you were telling me all about my lack of understanding and deep insight into the nature of money, you were displaying your own misconceptions about quite a basic concept. Perhaps you'd be better suited not to lecture from a place of perceived superiority when you don't understand basic concepts like volatility yourself. Volatility is a very specific and easily demonstrable concept. Volatility is a measure of price change over time. The only way not to have volatility is to have stable prices over time. Constantly moving in one direction is not an unvolatile instrument. When you plot bitcoins historical volatility against the dollar, its striking and there's no debate to be had. The blue line below is Bitcoin's volatility compared to the USD, and the purple line is gold's volatility compared to the same. Measurements use the daily standard deviation over the preceding 30 day window.

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May 08, 2017, 01:16:20 AM
At the beginning of bitcoin it is not accepted in our economy as a currency. But they will study the bitcoin that what was the benefits of it in our economy later on bitcoin is accepted as a currency. There are some bitcoin used for criminal transaction because it is anonymous.
and specially in physical shops the shopkeepers are not ready to accept bitcoin, i think still it will take a lot of time when all the people of the world will start using bitcoin and the all the shops will also accept bitcoin for shopping.
but i heard that many shopkeepers accepting bitcoin and i hope that bitcoin will be also acceptable in local shop in your country and bitcoin is trusted currency because people easily will accept bitcoin in their shopping center.
yes in some places for example in Brazil the shopkeepers already accept bitcoin, actually the number of bitcoin users are more there as compare to other places and that is the only reason that even the shopkeepers have good knowledge about bitcoin and therefore they are accepting bitcoin in their shops.
That is right, one of the early adopters of bitcoin is the country of Brazil and i think they have a lot of good results for using bitcoin as their another kind of payment system and the owners of the shops are already earned a lot of money like now that the price of bitcoin is very high and they almost double or triple the value of their bitcoin right now.
This is not easy as it looks like.
Accepting bitcoins is one thing and daily getting many customers who pay in bitcoins is another.
In most of my local shops too there is at most 10 transactions in a day in bitcoins, so it's not like that they will be rich in case of bitcoin ralley as the bitcoins they own are pretty much less to make rich them in a price ralley.
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