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sr. member
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Besides the miners that HODL since the early CPU and GPU days, and a lucky few who bought and cashed out before the last bubbles had burst, the majority only lost money.
Of course. Bitcoin is a zero-sum game. Bitcoin doesn't generate any revenue or produce anything. For every win, someone else loses.

Exactly the same as gold.

The same as stocks, the same as futures, the same of the universe, the same of the atoms...

Welcome to the jungle baby, it's the survival of the fittest


you guys are wrong. bitcoin is not a zero sum game, as ultimately it's use is when its converted to fiat for purchases.

therefore if it gradually appreciates against fiat, the holders of bitcoin as a group would gain. The holders of the fiat would lose. But bitcoin would be a net winner.



Wrong. Bitcoin is a zero sum game. All the purchasing power of bitcoin comes from fiat invested in it. And there is only so much fiat in it as it was invested. It's mathematically impossible for everyone to have more purchasing power than before. Someone has to lose. It only seems that everyone is winning while majority is holding and not trying to realize their profits.


bitcoin gains in purchasing power because more and more goods and services are being exchanged for it.
the bitcoin economy is growing rapidly while the bitcoin inflation rate is decreasing exponentially.
that is another reason why bitcoin's purchasing power is going to be alot higher in the future.
sr. member
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i disagree, i think its important for people to understand the current fiat system in an unsustainable scam.
there is no viable monetary system possible besides bitcoin, which is why sooner or later bitcoin will enrich a whole bunch of people.

anyone who trades bitcoin for bank papers today will look like a greater fool than the guy who traded 10,000 bitcoin for a pizza only four years ago.

I'm not sure if a dollar collapse is good for bitcoin.
Maybe if it takes another 5 years but certainly not now.



Not in 5 yrs, not in 25. The idea that people are gonna flock to more ones and zeros on a screen in a mad max dollar collapses is quite absurd. That's a situation where tangible, hard assets will flourish.

this isn't the 19th century, trade is global.
its not practical shipping gold to pay for goods and services anymore, which is why tangible hard assets will not flourish.
bitcoin is the only system that allows paying for goods and services almost instantly anywhere in the world and without trusting a third party.

it really is perfect money, nothing old even comes close.

What you don't understand is, nobody wants a currency that isn't backed by a government or other type of major institution. They want guarantees... as it is, if they lose their bitcoin due to computer security failures or hardware problems, then they're fucked. That's why there is very little interest in it now, more than 5 years after conception, and there will always be low interest.  A worldwide economic collapse on the level that you dream of will not happen within our lifetimes, and even if it did, the idea that everyone will have a device capable of storing and transmitting bitcoin securely, over a global and well maintained computer network, is laughable.

you already trust computer security to secure all the nuclear missiles governments have, not to mention utilities like power and water.
its easy to store bitcoins so that you won't lose anything no matter what hardware fails - install electrum, remember the 12 word seed.
bitcoin gets huge interest from people, everyone is talking about it, its worth 370 times more than the USD, not bad for money nobody wants.

there won't be a global economic collapse, only America and part of Europe are going to collapse, there is no reason for the manufacturing countries to collapse.
and even then it doesn't mean there won't be internet or power in America, the companies that provide these services will still be there, everything will just be alot more expensive relative to income.
hero member
Activity: 784
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Besides the miners that HODL since the early CPU and GPU days, and a lucky few who bought and cashed out before the last bubbles had burst, the majority only lost money.
Of course. Bitcoin is a zero-sum game. Bitcoin doesn't generate any revenue or produce anything. For every win, someone else loses.

Exactly the same as gold.

The same as stocks, the same as futures, the same of the universe, the same of the atoms...

Welcome to the jungle baby, it's the survival of the fittest


you guys are wrong. bitcoin is not a zero sum game, as ultimately it's use is when its converted to fiat for purchases.

therefore if it gradually appreciates against fiat, the holders of bitcoin as a group would gain. The holders of the fiat would lose. But bitcoin would be a net winner.



Wrong. Bitcoin is a zero sum game. All the purchasing power of bitcoin comes from fiat invested in it. And there is only so much fiat in it as it was invested. It's mathematically impossible for everyone to have more purchasing power than before. Someone has to lose. It only seems that everyone is winning while majority is holding and not trying to realize their profits.


Yep that's because its inelastic.  Fiat money can expand and contract supply to address economic demand.  Basic monetary economics that bitcoiners dont seem to understand
sr. member
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Besides the miners that HODL since the early CPU and GPU days, and a lucky few who bought and cashed out before the last bubbles had burst, the majority only lost money.
Of course. Bitcoin is a zero-sum game. Bitcoin doesn't generate any revenue or produce anything. For every win, someone else loses.

Exactly the same as gold.

The same as stocks, the same as futures, the same of the universe, the same of the atoms...

Welcome to the jungle baby, it's the survival of the fittest


you guys are wrong. bitcoin is not a zero sum game, as ultimately it's use is when its converted to fiat for purchases.

therefore if it gradually appreciates against fiat, the holders of bitcoin as a group would gain. The holders of the fiat would lose. But bitcoin would be a net winner.



Wrong. Bitcoin is a zero sum game. All the purchasing power of bitcoin comes from fiat invested in it. And there is only so much fiat in it as it was invested. It's mathematically impossible for everyone to have more purchasing power than before. Someone has to lose. It only seems that everyone is winning while majority is holding and not trying to realize their profits.
hero member
Activity: 1232
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Besides the miners that HODL since the early CPU and GPU days, and a lucky few who bought and cashed out before the last bubbles had burst, the majority only lost money.
Of course. Bitcoin is a zero-sum game. Bitcoin doesn't generate any revenue or produce anything. For every win, someone else loses.

Exactly the same as gold.

The same as stocks, the same as futures, the same of the universe, the same of the atoms...

Welcome to the jungle baby, it's the survival of the fittest


you guys are wrong. bitcoin is not a zero sum game, as ultimately it's use is when its converted to fiat for purchases.

therefore if it gradually appreciates against fiat, the holders of bitcoin as a group would gain. The holders of the fiat would lose. But bitcoin would be a net winner.

full member
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Besides the miners that HODL since the early CPU and GPU days, and a lucky few who bought and cashed out before the last bubbles had burst, the majority only lost money.
Of course. Bitcoin is a zero-sum game. Bitcoin doesn't generate any revenue or produce anything. For every win, someone else loses.

Exactly the same as gold.

The same as stocks, the same as futures, the same of the universe, the same of the atoms...

Welcome to the jungle baby, it's the survival of the fittest
legendary
Activity: 3066
Merit: 1145
The revolution will be monetized!
I think its worth mentioning that bitcoin does not make you rich or ruin you. It is your actions using bitcoin that determine what will happen. For example a lot of people hear that you can run some code and watch your PC start spitting out money. They buy mining equipment and find out it is not going to work that way. Or they think you can "invest" in bitcoin and it will go to the moon. When a lot of people do this the price is driven up to silly high levels and then inevitably crashes hard. 

That is because speculation is just guessing about the future and produces nothing of value within the economy. No value in, no value increase. If you want to see the price rise you should make BTC more valuable by helping local businesses accept bitcoin. Ultimately it is utility that gives value to bitcoin. The more places you can spend it and the easier it is to obtain them leads to further adoption. Just trading them back and forth for fiat does not help.
hero member
Activity: 690
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Besides the miners that HODL since the early CPU and GPU days, and a lucky few who bought and cashed out before the last bubbles had burst, the majority only lost money.
Of course. Bitcoin is a zero-sum game. Bitcoin doesn't generate any revenue or produce anything. For every win, someone else loses.

Exactly the same as gold.
legendary
Activity: 1204
Merit: 1000
Besides the miners that HODL since the early CPU and GPU days, and a lucky few who bought and cashed out before the last bubbles had burst, the majority only lost money.
Of course. Bitcoin is a zero-sum game. Bitcoin doesn't generate any revenue or produce anything. For every win, someone else loses.
legendary
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Merit: 1087
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Even after all this I am not ruined. I am still 5figures fiat to the better and have a few BTC to show.
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Another ridiculous argument.

Investing in lottery tickets is stupid.  Overall, the scheme looses you money.
It doesn't suddenly become smart if you have won--it's still stupid.
You have won the lottery, which doesn't make you any smarter than all of the fools who lost.
I would advise you to stop, regardless of your past winnings.



None of the bears on here can give a credible reason as to why selling everything is truly the best course of action.
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Because they will be cheaper in a month

Or you sell your bitcoins at a low price and have to buy in higher? It is a credible strategy for conserving fiat but not for conserving btc.

Fiat is not fiat. I should think that the local currency of very few of the countries we live in have bled 90% in recent memory

LOLWUT

legendary
Activity: 1260
Merit: 1115
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Even after all this I am not ruined. I am still 5figures fiat to the better and have a few BTC to show.
...

Another ridiculous argument.

Investing in lottery tickets is stupid.  Overall, the scheme looses you money.
It doesn't suddenly become smart if you have won--it's still stupid.
You have won the lottery, which doesn't make you any smarter than all of the fools who lost.
I would advise you to stop, regardless of your past winnings.



None of the bears on here can give a credible reason as to why selling everything is truly the best course of action.
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Because they will be cheaper in a month

Or you sell your bitcoins at a low price and have to buy in higher? It is a credible strategy for conserving fiat but not for conserving btc.

Fiat is not fiat. I should think that the local currency of very few of the countries we live in have bled 90% in recent memory
legendary
Activity: 1176
Merit: 1000
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Even after all this I am not ruined. I am still 5figures fiat to the better and have a few BTC to show.
...

Another ridiculous argument.

Investing in lottery tickets is stupid.  Overall, the scheme looses you money.
It doesn't suddenly become smart if you have won--it's still stupid.
You have won the lottery, which doesn't make you any smarter than all of the fools who lost.
I would advise you to stop, regardless of your past winnings.



None of the bears on here can give a credible reason as to why selling everything is truly the best course of action.
[/b]

Because they will be cheaper in a month

Or you sell your bitcoins at a low price and have to buy in higher? It is a credible strategy for conserving fiat but not for conserving btc.
legendary
Activity: 1260
Merit: 1115
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Even after all this I am not ruined. I am still 5figures fiat to the better and have a few BTC to show.
...

Another ridiculous argument.

Investing in lottery tickets is stupid.  Overall, the scheme looses you money.
It doesn't suddenly become smart if you have won--it's still stupid.
You have won the lottery, which doesn't make you any smarter than all of the fools who lost.
I would advise you to stop, regardless of your past winnings.



None of the bears on here can give a credible reason as to why selling everything is truly the best course of action.
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Because they will be cheaper in a month
member
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Welcome to my ignore list.

Dang, interwebs d00d I never met before, tell me it ain't so!!!1!1!



Welcome to my ignore list NotLambchop.
newbie
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Bitcoin will make many more people rich, i am sure it is not a question of if but when.

When? November 2013, that's when the distribution begun and the big players got rich.

Those who would become rich of BTC already are.
legendary
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Merit: 1001
I'm a newcomer to Bitcoin, but I got interested in it for online gambling purposes, not as an investment vehicle.

Is it possible that with more and more people getting into Bitcoin and more and more services accepting it, the price will continue to go down as people are now actually using them for things instead of hoarding them?

I mean, say Bitcoin goes back to dollar parity and pretty much the whole world is using it. It would still be considered a gigantic success.

This statement makes no sense at all.



Why does that not make sense to you? Seems pretty clear what he's trying to say

Because if the whole world is using bitcoin, then the price will be much higher than $1 / coin.  If only 500,000 - 1 million people are using it today and the price is ~$375 / coin, then the whole planet of 7 billion means a higher price.
legendary
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It's funny how much this mimics the sort of talk that was going around in 2011.  I feel like I am reading those posts as if it were yesterday.

yep.  i won't ever forget that facepalm pic!  Wink
legendary
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That would require a much higher money velocity which is the opposite if bitcoin now. It would be just as susceptible to hoarding to drive up value as now so I don't see that as likely.
I'm a newcomer to Bitcoin, but I got interested in it for online gambling purposes, not as an investment vehicle.

Is it possible that with more and more people getting into Bitcoin and more and more services accepting it, the price will continue to go down as people are now actually using them for things instead of hoarding them?

I mean, say Bitcoin goes back to dollar parity and pretty much the whole world is using it. It would still be considered a gigantic success.

This statement makes no sense at all.



Why does that not make sense to you? Seems pretty clear what he's trying to say
newbie
Activity: 55
Merit: 0
If you're selling btc, you deserve to lose your money.

HODL or die.
member
Activity: 84
Merit: 10
I'm a newcomer to Bitcoin, but I got interested in it for online gambling purposes, not as an investment vehicle.

Is it possible that with more and more people getting into Bitcoin and more and more services accepting it, the price will continue to go down as people are now actually using them for things instead of hoarding them?

I mean, say Bitcoin goes back to dollar parity and pretty much the whole world is using it. It would still be considered a gigantic success.

This statement makes no sense at all.



Why does that not make sense to you? Seems pretty clear what he's trying to say
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