Topic: Bitcoin Magazine - page 3. (Read 4658 times)

This whole thing is regressing into a he said she said argument, so why don't we drop it at that? What was said could have been better expressed via private message, I would think. It is, after all, a personal issue with the magazine's editor's choice of graphic representation on this message board.

Matthew is the frontman and chief editor (and he deserves to be, he has poured his heart and soul into this process) but the magazine itself goes through a very deliberate and democratic process. I think that everyone involved will not consciously push something out into the public they don't think would be received well by the target demographic.

Sorry, I must be really thick, because I am not getting it.  This is what I thought you meant.  What exactly is meant by "issuing" my coins?

I wouldn't expect Matthew to "issue" my coins.  I'm not even sure what that means, since I'm the only person who "issues" my coins.  This may not be readily apparent, but my bread and butter is in the payroll software business, and the coins are a side project intended to promote Bitcoin.

Well for starters Matthew is an adult, don't really know what else to say to that. Matthew is also not writing the magazine but editing it. Those are two separate things and you should try to learn the difference. We are not just trying to appeal to an older crowd but to everyone. Is that such a bad thing for anyone to be able to read it and find something for them?


I hope you will buy the magazine. I promise you will not be disappointed in its content and entertainment factor (well maybe not since you like everything dry). If you think that people who read financial magazines don't have a sense of humor then I question how many of them you really know. In fact, they probably wish some of the magazines they read were a little more interesting overall while maintaining a high level of quality in the content. I believe the magazine achieves this.

Again we are not trying to appeal to WSJ, Forbes, NYT type crowd exclusively. We would like to appeal to a broader audience and this is what we are going for. If you cannot appreciate that you are welcome to start up a dry magazine on bitcoin business information and go from there. This is the path we have chosen to take and we think it is good for Bitcoin as a whole.

calling attention to advertising oppurtunities is equal to issuing your coins now?

Not quite.  PM I received:


In fact, $60 is a damn steal for advertising in an in-print magazine.

When I got the PM, the first thing that crossed my mind was, that this is the same guy who, a week ago, rebutted one of my posts with a "your mom" quip.  Which I couldn't find in a search of the forums, so either he deleted it, or (more likely) the mods cleaned it up.  I will bet that this has left me with a somewhat negative impression of Matthew, this may explain my apparent bias far better than any sort of speculation that he "left me out" of his magazine.

In my payroll business, I've advertised in numerous industry-related magazines, and paid far more than $60 for the privilege.  Needless to say, none of them have ever made "your mom" jokes in the course of doing business with me.

Which part?  My understanding is that Matthew is actually a teenager.  So if Matthew wants to produce a magazine to appeal to an older crowd, he should write like it.  That's not too much to ask?


I actually wish him the best.  I mean, he is taking all the risk with the printing costs, right?  Chances are pretty good I will buy the magazine myself.

I am just asking him to class up, for the sake of the project as a whole.  Real stakeholders in the financial and business sectors are watching the Bitcoin project, those with the resources to propel it further, and this isn't the sort of crowd that would be impressed if the first regular in-print Bitcoin-related magazine starts out its first page with a clever embedding of "STFU".  These are the crowd that read the WSJ, NYT, Forbes, and if those are dry magazines, then dry isn't so bad.

casascius i get the feeling you're mostly upset the magazine hasn't requested to issue your coins with it's first run

not saying i like or dislike the magazine (haven't seen enough of it yet), but i'm 33 and found "suck my dick i'm a bus" to be humorous.

in fact i'm holding back a smirk as i type this incase people at work see me and wonder what's so funny.

sorry for being so immature.

edit: now i'm suddenly reminded of the "suckubus" from south park.

Bottom line: my avatar is completely irrelevant to an argument about the contents of the magazine. My avatar is not being published in the magazine. Your opinion of my avatar means absolutely nothing to me, as it shouldn't.



Thank you Mike. Your opinion has been written down and will be carefully considered. It's important to note that the screen shots for the magazine (for which you haven't seen yet) are just mock-ups and the actual magazine is still in design until 6 days from today's date.



Obviously. The potty humor is a non-issue. It doesn't bother me to take it out at all. It doesn't bother me to take it out because even one person suggests it. What bothers me is the ridiculous comment about my avatar and why you think that has anything to do with the magazine. It just wreaks of pettiness, jealousy and 'old man' attitude.



Considered and duly noted. I'm absolutely sure everyone is anxious to see how the first issue comes out and I'm equally sure that the support I've received is clear to the direction this magazine will take. Thank you for your support.

Damn Mike, that was uncalled for and a low blow.

Give the guy a chance, if its not to your liking then you'll have the floor to express your thoughts  

As Ben Harper famously wrote "if you don't like my fire, then don't come around, cause I'm gonna burn one down"

Excuse me? I have seen most of the magazine and it is a very well thought out, entertaining and informative read. There are many people involved in the project and it is not only Matthew who is not a teenager.

His avatar has no relevance on the magazine and I would like to think people can maintain their individualism while working on a project. I can promise you that phrases such as "suck my dick" have no place in the magazine and they are not there. Just wait until you see the final product and you will be singing a different tune.

The ST FU you speak of on the first page provides a little comedic relief which isn't a bad idea when you are talking about serious subjects. In case you haven't noticed a large segment of the people interested in Bitcoins are teenagers and young adults so we would rather not leave them out all together. The articles are written primarily by people who are not Matthew, so your judgement of him as a basis for the content of the magazine are completely unfounded.

I suppose you would prefer a completely dry and boring magazine that no one except yourself would like to read?

Like I said, wait for the final product before passing any judgements about the magazine as a whole.

No.  I am well within the range of 18-41.


Not exactly.  Just in case it's not very clear, this doesn't represent your stated target age range very well.  "Suck my dick" is funny to boys in the age range of 9-13 years old.  It loses its charm quickly thereafter.


Ahah, right, because nobody over the age of 17 knows what STFU stands for?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not against profanity.  But putting STFU there in and of itself isn't really funny.  Unless, of course, you're 12 years old, then cussing is funny all by itself because it's like, revolting against your parents or something.  Or pretending you're all grown up now, because of course, using naughty words is such a grown up thing to do.

If you're going to make a joke that references the word FUCK (hereinafter referred to as the F word), then by all means, go ahead.  But make it classy.  It just sounds like the punch line of your joke is something like, "we're going to put the F word on this page in plain sight, and all the old grownups who went to school without cellphones will have not a clue about the internet acronyms of the day and aren't going to have any idea that it's really the F word in their face".  Which, as I said, isn't really funny unless you're twelve.


They may very well be right.  They are probably referring to other things you are doing that are clearly neat, and not the potty humor.


Because you are a kid still in school?


I am sure people will laugh so hard they will snort their chocolate milk all over the cafeteria floor.  Your magazine doesn't have to be dry, it's just, if you want to appeal to 18-41 year olds, then you should consider the advice of 18-41 year olds.

No one but me has even seen the magazine yet. It's not published yet. I love constructive criticism and everything, but to judge 64 pages of patiently written articles, features and specials on some cover art and a table of contents is a bit-- eh.. Basically, "Are you a wizard?"

Our target audience is 18~41. You must be 42

Christ. So now I'm breaking the internet laws and the magazine will fail because of my forum avatar? Some of us have bold and hilarious personalities. Get used to it.



I agree. I can totally omit that. Vicente, one of our staff had already mentioned that. "Is it really necessary Matthew?" and I said "No, but the people who get it will think it's funny and the people who don't, won't have an opinion".

That said, have you ever seen "Maxim magazine"? I think they owe the majority of their success to bold and subtle humor as well. If you'd like to recommend other bold and subtle ways to be humorous than just "ST+FU", I am most certainly all ears. If you're arguing that humor shouldn't be a part of the magazine, good luck with that, no one who has supported the magazine so far agrees with you.



I know where you're coming from and read you loud and clear. Everyone in Bitcoin is now breathing down my neck to make sure this goes right. That said, I mentioned possibly giving up my equity later on when we find someone better suited to make the magazine and do you know what someone told me?

"Matthew, don't you dare step down. You give this magazine personality."


*cough*

P.S. Mike, do you know why my avatar has a bus saying "suck my dick"?



Because I enjoy making people laugh. If you want a super-serious magazine that is completely boring and devoid of any life, go start one with Bruce Wagner.

Yep, I ordered one too!

We should get more and leave them around Las Vegas in random doctor's offices etc.

What I wish is that this magazine weren't rife with immaturity.  Especially if it's going into "Barnes & Noble".

This appears to be a magazine written by an immature teenager for an immature teenage audience.

If this magazine is seriously meant to further the interests of the Bitcoin community, then it is absolutely unconscionable that its editor in chief has the words "Suck my dick" on his avatar.  Hahahah, lol, roflmao, yeah, that was funny when I was in junior high too.  Come on, man, this reflects poorly on all of us.

And then we open to the first page, where the typography has been cleverly stacked so that the page reads "STFU" when viewed from a distance.  There is no good reason for this.  Like I said, a teenage magazine for a teenage audience.

I fully support the idea of having a Bitcoin magazine, but someone must GTFU (grow the fuck up) if it's to be taken seriously.

The print issue is released the same date.

how about the digital issue?

That means it should be ready by my birthday, March 4.

The whales or the issues?

We're expected to go to print in one week.

When came we expect them?