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December 09, 2024, 03:23:42 AM
#49
Honestly, you are wrong bud, in the previous market cycles,


I know what happened in previous cycles. My point was that this cycle is very different since the market has matured greatly since the last cycle.


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And about newbies first investing in bitcoin, this is also not generally true, many newbies prefer to buy Altcoins, since most of them usually assume bitcoin to already be too expensive - I know this because I was there myself.

Newbies are being presented with options by today's interfaces into the market they are using, yes. That's my whole point. Why would they ever switch back to Bitcoin?



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December 09, 2024, 02:38:07 AM
#48
Because of the hype around the US election in the past months, interest in digital currencies is exploding with millions of new entrants into the market.

What one would expect in this situation is for Bitcoin to gain market share, as newbies tend to only know about the market leader at first.  But that's not what is happening. Instead, Bitcoin's overall market share is dropping.  As I discussed in another thread, Bitcoin now sits on a "store shelf" alongside thousands of other products today who all compete for the same exact investor dollars.

What is driving this? Most investors use an app of some kind to invest in Bitcoin. These apps display Bitcoin alongside many other choices as equals. And like the shelves at your local grocery store, the arrangement of those items will depend on what makes the broker the most money and that can be driven by the product's backers who can share the wealth (and Bitcoin has no such backers).

This is very, very bearish for Bitcoin (and bullish for non-Bitcoin digital currencies).


Honestly, you are wrong bud, in the previous market cycles, after the rise of bitcoin, which usually also increases the market dominance of bitcoin, a time comes when bitcoin takes a rest, when this time comes, money begins to shift from bitcoin to some major Altcoins which is what we usually refer to as altseason, where Altcoins begins to rise, while the price of bitcoin remains relatively stable or decline a bit, this is a normal market process which we all should by now be familiar with.

The fact that Bitcoin is losing its market dominance level does not mean it's bearish, a price correction is not the same as bearish market condition, a correction is a healthy process every cryptocurrency goes through to create room and strength for more rises in coming days or weeks.

And about newbies first investing in bitcoin, this is also not generally true, many newbies prefer to buy Altcoins, since most of them usually assume bitcoin to already be too expensive - I know this because I was there myself.
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December 09, 2024, 02:04:45 AM
#47
The topic about Bitcoin market cap(or market dominance) has been discussed multiple times in the past years.
The BTC market dominance is dropping down during a bull run, because many traders start buying more altcoins. That's why the BTC bull run and the "altcoin season" happen at the same time. Bitcoin market dominance increases in times of bear market, because the altcoin prices are decreasing more than the BTC price. The altcoins are usually more volatile than Bitcoin. Altcoin prices increase with higher levels during a bull run and decrease to lower levels in a market crash or a bear market. Maybe the current bull run is a bit different in the short term, but I'm sure that it will follow the same cycle in the long term. Anyway, the BTC market dominance doesn't matter at all.
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December 08, 2024, 07:03:03 PM
#46
The fact that Bitcoin's marketshare is only at 55% (and dropping) demonstrates that it has serious competition, not "competition" in scare quotes Smiley.

And Bitcoin can go down too (and I think this market dynamic I'm talking about will do just that). They are both a lottery: nobody knows for sure what the market will do.

I am not sure if i would call that real competition yet, because right now it's bitcoin's market share against ALL other coins and tokens. And there are lots of them.
Some other coin might challenge BTC in the future, but right now it's not even near, unlike in 2017, when eth was actually close to flip bitcoin's marketcap.

I think it's the collection of all of the other coins, not just ETH. My point here is that BTC has a lot more competition than it used to, and it's losing ground.
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December 08, 2024, 04:24:43 PM
#45
The fact that Bitcoin's marketshare is only at 55% (and dropping) demonstrates that it has serious competition, not "competition" in scare quotes Smiley.

And Bitcoin can go down too (and I think this market dynamic I'm talking about will do just that). They are both a lottery: nobody knows for sure what the market will do.

I am not sure if i would call that real competition yet, because right now it's bitcoin's market share against ALL other coins and tokens. And there are lots of them.
Some other coin might challenge BTC in the future, but right now it's not even near, unlike in 2017, when eth was actually close to flip bitcoin's marketcap.



And that's the closest competition. Others are even further behind.
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December 07, 2024, 12:36:16 PM
#44
2025 is the year of the bull to push and warm things up.
2025? We are already in the bull markey buddy.  Wink

What I meant is I don't think we would see much of the action of this cycle till the new year comes passing by, of course, it's only judging by the fact the price is for now going sideways in a 100k range here and there.
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December 07, 2024, 12:09:33 PM
#43

There are shitcoins that are doing x100, yet in the long run we all know how they gonna end up and some goes for that bitcoin "competition".

Don't get me wrong, some extra profit can be made with altcoins, but only by more experienced traders whil for the vast majorify of others is nothing more than a lottery.

The fact that Bitcoin's marketshare is only at 55% (and dropping) demonstrates that it has serious competition, not "competition" in scare quotes Smiley.

And Bitcoin can go down too (and I think this market dynamic I'm talking about will do just that). They are both a lottery: nobody knows for sure what the market will do.



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December 07, 2024, 11:24:24 AM
#42
2025 is the year of the bull to push and warm things up.
2025? We are already in the bull markey buddy.  Wink


That was the point of my OP: that is the case, and yet other established competitors of Bitcoin are doing 2-10x better than Bitcoin is doing right now.
There are shitcoins that are doing x100, yet in the long run we all know how they gonna end up and some goes for that bitcoin "competition".

Don't get me wrong, some extra profit can be made with altcoins, but only by more experienced traders whil for the vast majorify of others is nothing more than a lottery.
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December 06, 2024, 04:13:14 PM
#41

If ETH is on the second place, does that mean it will make us more profit after BTC?


No idea. My point was not to comment on specific currencies, which can perform for all kinds of reasons.

I am simply pointing out that when you go from a market where most participants choose from one product to a market where participants choose from many functionally equivalent products, then prices will have a strong tendency to equalize, which means the market leader(s) will drop in price.

Of course that's assuming all other things are equal. I'm also pointing out here that the dynamics of Bitcoin in particular aren't as strong as the coins driven by for-profit entities in the long run because there is no central driving force to make it reach more people like there is for the competitors. This too is a long-term drag on Bitcoin.

These are just factors though. How the actual price changes will depend on a bunch of things.



Basket in itself, sort of like investing into SP500 in the stock market, should be based on top coins, if they go with like "top ten coins" and omit of course the stablecoins, and pick 10 real cryptocurrencies instead, then it could be fine, and I am pretty sure that it will have a good future as well. That's the type of thing you invest for 10-15 years before you retire from it.

Definitely. But think about what this means when people just invest in an index fund of top digital currencies: they no longer care about any single one in particular. This is very good for the smaller ones and very bad for the bigger once, since it portends that they all eventually revert to the mean.

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December 06, 2024, 03:41:10 PM
#40
Below is an example of what I am talking about: would-be Bitcoin investors are now bombarded with apps that divert them to non-Bitcoin digital currencies.

The one below trades you out of Bitcoin with a single push of a button.

This is not like last time, people. Bitcoin now competes for the same investor dollars with hundreds of other very good options. The market is changing, and the old patterns no longer apply.
This does feel like a good idea in itself, obviously it depends on which coins there are in the basket and if there are any bad ones then I wouldn't really consider it a good move but I think it's clear that we are going to see a lot more worse results over long term, there isn't really a smart way to do this, it shouldn't really be a big deal at all.

Basket in itself, sort of like investing into SP500 in the stock market, should be based on top coins, if they go with like "top ten coins" and omit of course the stablecoins, and pick 10 real cryptocurrencies instead, then it could be fine, and I am pretty sure that it will have a good future as well. That's the type of thing you invest for 10-15 years before you retire from it.
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December 06, 2024, 01:37:29 PM
#39
What is driving this? Most investors use an app of some kind to invest in Bitcoin. These apps display Bitcoin alongside many other choices as equals. And like the shelves at your local grocery store, the arrangement of those items will depend on what makes the broker the most money and that can be driven by the product's backers who can share the wealth (and Bitcoin has no such backers).

This is very, very bearish for Bitcoin (and bullish for non-Bitcoin digital currencies).
If ETH is on the second place, does that mean it will make us more profit after BTC? Nothing is on the list placed because they will make broker money accordingly but because of their market cap and the dominance of BTC was already expected to decrease because in this time many has already sold their BTC to book their profits and many are selling and investing in alts increasing alt's dominance and decreasing BTC.

For now it's not a bad thing even for BTC, because investor's would still be making money, the upcoming time would be bearish for BTC but after that the bull run will come and this cycle will keep repeating.
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December 06, 2024, 01:27:57 PM
#38
Below is an example of what I am talking about: would-be Bitcoin investors are now bombarded with apps that divert them to non-Bitcoin digital currencies.
They have been for a long time too. One can also argue that the larger crypto institutions get, and non crypto ones get into the industry, the more direct and indirect attention Bitcoin will get. Someone new to crypto will see ad like that and think, let me do some research on the crypto thingy, boom, Bitcoin pops up in the first search.


That was the point of my OP: that is the case, and yet other established competitors of Bitcoin are doing 2-10x better than Bitcoin is doing right now.

In this environment, with so many new users, non-Bitcoin investments should significantly lag Bitcoin since that is going to be everybody's default choice given a front-end to the market that treats all coins equally. But that is not the case: the gateways to digital currency investments today for most new consumers are brokers and apps that are directing consumers elsewhere.

In a sense, this would be like Corn Flakes competing with Cheerios: the winner is going to be who has the best relationship with the grocery stores, not the one with the best product (since they are both cereal and both work just fine for breakfast).

The root of the problem for Bitcoin here is twofold:

1. Bitcoin is functionally equivalent to hundreds of other products for the purposes of investment.

2. Bitcoin is not a for-profit concern, which means no entity profits from its proliferation--whereas there are $billions to be made by its competitors.


This is not like last time, people. Bitcoin now competes for the same investor dollars with hundreds of other very good options. The market is changing, and the old patterns no longer apply.
Firstly, do you consider this to be reflected in the price movement of Bitcoin? Bitcoin actually is higher at this stage that it had been in previous cycles.

Yes, that was the point of the OP: that the current bull market's gains seem to be going mostly to other coins, not Bitcoin--which is reflected in Bitcoin's drop in overall marketshare.

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December 06, 2024, 01:03:33 PM
#37
Below is an example of what I am talking about: would-be Bitcoin investors are now bombarded with apps that divert them to non-Bitcoin digital currencies.
They have been for a long time too. One can also argue that the larger crypto institutions get, and non crypto ones get into the industry, the more direct and indirect attention Bitcoin will get. Someone new to crypto will see ad like that and think, let me do some research on the crypto thingy, boom, Bitcoin pops up in the first search.
Anyone blindly buying anything without doing research will not help the long term price growth of any currency and are not big losses.

This is not like last time, people. Bitcoin now competes for the same investor dollars with hundreds of other very good options. The market is changing, and the old patterns no longer apply.
Firstly, do you consider this to be reflected in the price movement of Bitcoin? Bitcoin actually is higher at this stage that it had been in previous cycles.
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December 06, 2024, 10:59:18 AM
#36
Below is an example of what I am talking about: would-be Bitcoin investors are now bombarded with apps that divert them to non-Bitcoin digital currencies.

The one below trades you out of Bitcoin with a single push of a button.

This is not like last time, people. Bitcoin now competes for the same investor dollars with hundreds of other very good options. The market is changing, and the old patterns no longer apply.


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December 06, 2024, 10:50:43 AM
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During the bear market, people tend to sell Bitcoin less than they sell other coins, and Bitcoin dominance grows. When there's a bull market, Bitcoin is growing, people out of FOMO and excitement people also try their luck with other coins, so the dominance can drop somewhat. It's not a perfect correlation, but I think it's true overall. Right now, Bitcoin is on the rise, and it makes sense for the market dominance to drop somewhat. That being said, it's still very high, and no coins is anywhere near challenging BTC dominance. I think it will stay this way in the future, and the current decrease is a mere fluctuation.
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December 06, 2024, 10:10:54 AM
#34
~snipped~
Dunno about you, but I certainly didn't expect that we will go through 100k mark on the first try so I see nothing strange in all this. Altcoins are getting their little pump before those who control the market decide that its time for bitcoin to finally break it.
You truly understand what's going on. The joke will be on those who think Bitcoin is done with its spike this circle. They don't know this is just a cool off moment for Bitcoin. This is just a warm up. The real push is around the corner.

2025 is the year of the bull to push and warm things up.
Just wait and be patient, indeed  Cool
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December 06, 2024, 08:55:34 AM
#33

the market price is not controlled or effected by the 21m coin. nor needing whole btc to sell..


So we completely agree. Great.

(Why do I have a feeling that this actually going to disappoint this poster Smiley).

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December 06, 2024, 05:05:43 AM
#32
Franky, Bitcoin just crossed $100k and you're still all uppity, trollish and upset... Why do you feel the need to be so insulting and demeaning all the time? Give it a break for like 10 minutes. You'd be a much more effective "educator" if you could simply talk to people they way you would want to be talked to.

i give people many chances in a polite manner, until they show their ignorance and their real agenda.. then i dont hold back
even you know, out of the many thousands of members here, i only show my negative feelings to only a few dozen known ignorant people
i dont need to be polite to the ignorant nor fear calling them out as such
if they dont like being called it, they need to look at themselves and realise why, and then improve themselves to avoid being ignorant

if only those people didnt talk ignorantly then there would not be a issue
dont treat the ignorant troll as the victim to then pretend im the troll..
he is the one that refuses to learn about bitcoin, even though he is on a bitcoin forum that discusses topics of bitcoin

its like an idiot that goes to a car website but refuses to learn to drive nor learn anything about how cars work.. but still then wants to talk about how he thinks cars are valued and sold and used and made and, etc..
.. people with car knowledge would call him out on it

if you want to kiss, admire, love and adore ignorant people (that have had ample opportunities and been given good advice numerous times politely previously) .. thats on you
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December 06, 2024, 05:00:41 AM
#31
Franky, Bitcoin just crossed $100k and you're still all uppity, trollish and upset... Why do you feel the need to be so insulting and demeaning all the time? Give it a break for like 10 minutes. You'd be a much more effective "educator" if you could simply talk to people they way you would want to be talked to.
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December 06, 2024, 04:36:46 AM
#30
Bitcoin's appreciation in price is the only useful feature it has--but that's circular reasoning.  That's not to say it may not still go up, but there's nothing to stop it from going down, either.

you have no clue about economics at all


(I'll try to work past your personal attacks--maybe try to calm down and just discuss things rationally?)

You keep saying Bitcoin absolutely must appreciate in value forever because there is a limited supply.

you are wrong again
i did not, nor ever have said it must appreciate in value forever because there is a limited supply.
you are the one fixated on rants about supply and demand where you have notions about the 21m limit and the market cap of such
 
i have in many topics told you that the 21m btc supply has nothing to do with how much is actively on the exchange market orderbooks
and its the market order books active orders that actually control the price.. not the 21m coin limit

lets explain something else (seeing as you used a 'limited acre' example
for instance you cant cut a house in half but you can cut btc into 100,000,000 parts
meaning if there was a market of only $100 and 1btc being deposited each day. this does not mean the price is fixed at 1btc=$100
you do know people in 2013 traded 1btc for $100 when there was different amounts of $ and btc deposited. and now in late 2024 trade 0.001 for $100
yep people dont need to buy whole btc and then that $ is not kept in some vault..
..please learn some economics
oh and by the way, people dont assess real estate land by the acre anymore.. they now value real estate by the square foot
and if you look over the last few hundred years, land prices have been on a increase(in any measure(acre or foot))

secondly you think that if the price appreciates to say $10m/btc, it is YOU that stupidly thinks that there needs to be trillions of dollars held somewhere, more than exist in the real world($210trill)
again the market cap number is meaningless there is not trillions of dollars held anywhere to represent the market cap
the market cap number is meaningless

the market price is not controlled or effected by the 21m coin. nor needing whole btc to sell..

please learn economics, learn how economics works, then learn bitcoin, learn how bitcoin works then learn about bitcoin economics

..
lets use your "limited acre" analogy again

if there is a property selling for $100k per 871squarefoot
thus with gardens drives and connecting roads call it about 150 properties per acre ($15m/acre)

where there is 4.62billion usable acres of land where by 2billion acres can be used for property

YOU would be the fool that would think that the real estate economy has a need to at some point in distant future store/lockup
$30,000,000,000,000,000 ($30quadrillion)

yet reality is the real estate market doesnt care nor need to think about nor need $30quad
instead all it cares about is the local 'comps' of homes that are currently valued at $100k per ~800-900squarefoot

where by in the past many decades thats same property was worth just $10k and in future will be worth more than $200k
and non of this has anything to do with total acre on planet limit and total market cap

..
and one last thing, YOU think bitcoin is based on speculation (see definition) because its YOU that does not have the knowledge
other people know economics and bitcoin and know how things work to know that bitcoin is not randomly whimsical and just made up in its economic value process
there is actual underlying things behind it beyond your understanding
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