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July 18, 2011, 05:33:02 PM
#31
Some say Mac is safer than Windows some say the opposite. Both sides cite some evidence. Am I not allowed to say "Some say Windows is safer than Mac and some say it isn't" or is that too bias?

How dare you mention even the possibility of something Apple is not perfect in every way!!! You are most definitely biased sir!!!   Wink
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July 18, 2011, 05:30:01 PM
#30
b) Money inherently is a Ponzi scheme whether it be Fiat(USD) or pseudo-fiat(Bitcoin). They all derive their value from the # of people willing to use and accept it whether as currency or just a method of wealth storage.

That is not even close to the definition of a Ponzi.  A simple definition would be using today's money to pay yesterday's bills.  Bitcoin is not a Ponzi, although money (USD) is.

"A Ponzi scheme is a fraudulent investment operation that pays returns to separate investors, not from any actual profit earned by the organization, but from their own money or money paid by subsequent investors."

Other than the word fraudulent, I stand corrected.

All forms of money are Pyramid based, the value increases as per more investors. If there are less investors the value decreases, the people who most recently invested in it lose money. Whether or not is a "scheme" is a another story.


TO BE CLEAR:
I'm not saying Pyramid based currency is a bad thing. All of them are, some people just associate the Pyramid/Ponzi idea as negative and don't understand what they really mean. The only difference between Bitcoin and a Ponzi Scheme, is intent.
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July 18, 2011, 05:26:50 PM
#29
b) Money inherently is a Ponzi scheme whether it be Fiat(USD) or pseudo-fiat(Bitcoin). They all derive their value from the # of people willing to use and accept it whether as currency or just a method of wealth storage.

That is not even close to the definition of a Ponzi.  A simple definition would be using today's money to pay yesterday's bills.  Bitcoin is not a Ponzi, although money (USD) is.
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July 18, 2011, 05:07:45 PM
#28
Another biased report; mentions of the word "Ponzi scheme", "illegal activities" and etc without explaining such arguments ("some say...").

Maybe we should all stop using cash? Since cash is probably the most popular method of illegal transactions, ie drug dealing.

The aim of a currency has nothing to with stopping it from being used for illegal or shameful purposes. As long as people want drugs or porn or whatever else, they will find ways to use any currency as a trading tool, be it cash or Bitcoins or golden nuggets. It's not Bitcoins' problem, it's an issue with people.

For every hint of a "pro" Bitcoin argument, they present a dozen useless negative fallacies about Bitcoin. Why don't they mention how Bitcoin cannot be willingly printed at mass out of thin air? The guy from WIRED didn't mention any of the security aspects of Bitcoins and how it cannot be easily counterfeited.

Apparently people can't say "Some people say bad things about it."

Some people say you are an idiot.
And who are those "some people"? What do they base their arguments on?

No need for personal attacks.

People on this forum, experts, whoever wants to say it is.

a) It can be used for illegal activies. We all know it can. Any currency can. People know USD can.

b) Money inherently is a Ponzi scheme whether it be Fiat(USD) or pseudo-fiat(Bitcoin). They all derive their value from the # of people willing to use and accept it whether as currency or just a method of wealth storage.

Some say Mac is safer than Windows some say the opposite. Both sides cite some evidence. Am I not allowed to say "Some say Windows is safer than Mac and some say it isn't" or is that too bias?
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July 18, 2011, 05:05:50 PM
#27
Another biased report; mentions of the word "Ponzi scheme", "illegal activities" and etc without explaining such arguments ("some say...").

Maybe we should all stop using cash? Since cash is probably the most popular method of illegal transactions, ie drug dealing.

The aim of a currency has nothing to with stopping it from being used for illegal or shameful purposes. As long as people want drugs or porn or whatever else, they will find ways to use any currency as a trading tool, be it cash or Bitcoins or golden nuggets. It's not Bitcoins' problem, it's an issue with people.

For every hint of a "pro" Bitcoin argument, they present a dozen useless negative fallacies about Bitcoin. Why don't they mention how Bitcoin cannot be willingly printed at mass out of thin air? The guy from WIRED didn't mention any of the security aspects of Bitcoins and how it cannot be easily counterfeited.

Apparently people can't say "Some people say bad things about it."

Some people say you are an idiot.
And who are those "some people"? What do they base their arguments on?

No need for personal attacks.

I think what he is trying to say is that CNN is going to put a fluff piece about bitcoin on the air. People have different views and CNN is going to bring those different views on the air.
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July 18, 2011, 05:01:24 PM
#26
Another biased report; mentions of the word "Ponzi scheme", "illegal activities" and etc without explaining such arguments ("some say...").

Maybe we should all stop using cash? Since cash is probably the most popular method of illegal transactions, ie drug dealing.

The aim of a currency has nothing to with stopping it from being used for illegal or shameful purposes. As long as people want drugs or porn or whatever else, they will find ways to use any currency as a trading tool, be it cash or Bitcoins or golden nuggets. It's not Bitcoins' problem, it's an issue with people.

For every hint of a "pro" Bitcoin argument, they present a dozen useless negative fallacies about Bitcoin. Why don't they mention how Bitcoin cannot be willingly printed at mass out of thin air? The guy from WIRED didn't mention any of the security aspects of Bitcoins and how it cannot be easily counterfeited.

Apparently people can't say "Some people say bad things about it."

Some people say you are an idiot.
And who are those "some people"? What do they base their arguments on?

No need for personal attacks.
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July 18, 2011, 05:01:12 PM
#25
This is great news you guys! The reporting was really fair, and and genuine. Great job CNN. Smiley

I agree. Of course this will really be awesome when it isn't in the "Tech Talk" section and it's not on CNNMoney.

When a story like this leads in the hour on plain old vanilla CNN, then we will know it's mainstream.
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July 18, 2011, 04:59:05 PM
#24
I wouldn't trust CNN. They are beholden to the existing system of Big Business, Big Banks, etc.

Notice the Bitcoin "taking off like a rocket" at the beginning, implying hyperinflation or too many coins in circulation.


Ummm... that's from the opening of Bruce's "The BitCoin Show".

Quote from: mayabong link=topic=29976.msg376876#msg376876

He will be able to get any chick he wants (if he's into that kinda thing). 

and Bruce has been out on "The BitCoin Show" since at least the MtGox crash.

Maybe Bruce needs to advertise "The BitCoin Show" more.
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July 18, 2011, 04:57:06 PM
#23
For every hint of a "pro" Bitcoin argument, they present a dozen useless negative fallacies about Bitcoin. Why don't they mention how Bitcoin cannot be willingly printed at mass out of thin air? The guy from WIRED didn't mention any of the security aspects of Bitcoins and how it cannot be easily counterfeited.

Don't be so sure of that. It was likely a half hour interview and they only used a few seconds of it.
Okay, I apologize. Let me restate that the problem is with the reporting, not the guy from WIRED.
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July 18, 2011, 04:55:12 PM
#22
Another biased report; mentions of the word "Ponzi scheme", "illegal activities" and etc without explaining such arguments ("some say...").

Maybe we should all stop using cash? Since cash is probably the most popular method of illegal transactions, ie drug dealing.

The aim of a currency has nothing to with stopping it from being used for illegal or shameful purposes. As long as people want drugs or porn or whatever else, they will find ways to use any currency as a trading tool, be it cash or Bitcoins or golden nuggets. It's not Bitcoins' problem, it's an issue with people.

For every hint of a "pro" Bitcoin argument, they present a dozen useless negative fallacies about Bitcoin. Why don't they mention how Bitcoin cannot be willingly printed at mass out of thin air? The guy from WIRED didn't mention any of the security aspects of Bitcoins and how it cannot be easily counterfeited.

Apparently people can't say "Some people say bad things about it."

Some people say you are an idiot.
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July 18, 2011, 04:53:07 PM
#21
For every hint of a "pro" Bitcoin argument, they present a dozen useless negative fallacies about Bitcoin. Why don't they mention how Bitcoin cannot be willingly printed at mass out of thin air? The guy from WIRED didn't mention any of the security aspects of Bitcoins and how it cannot be easily counterfeited.

Don't be so sure of that. It was likely a half hour interview and they only used a few seconds of it.
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July 18, 2011, 04:50:50 PM
#20
Another biased report; mentions of the word "Ponzi scheme", "illegal activities" and etc without explaining such arguments ("some say...").

Maybe we should all stop using cash? Since cash is probably the most popular method of illegal transactions, ie drug dealing.

The fuction of a currency has nothing to with stopping it from being used for illegal or shameful purposes. As long as people want drugs or porn or whatever else, they will find ways to use any currency as a trading tool, be it cash or Bitcoins or golden nuggets. It's not Bitcoins' job, it's an issue with people.

For every hint of a "pro" Bitcoin argument, they present a dozen useless negative fallacies about Bitcoin. Why don't they mention how Bitcoin cannot be willingly printed at mass out of thin air? The guy from WIRED didn't mention any of the security aspects of Bitcoins and how it cannot be easily counterfeited.
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July 18, 2011, 04:40:56 PM
#19
I wouldn't trust CNN. They are beholden to the existing system of Big Business, Big Banks, etc.

Notice the Bitcoin "taking off like a rocket" at the beginning, implying hyperinflation or too many coins in circulation.

These stories *never* focus on the actual value of BTC -- what makes them special. It's the fact that you can't hack or fake them. Hacking or faking them would be MORE difficult than just mining some real ones. The aspect of how the block chain is un-hackable, and becomes more-so with every increase in processing power the Bitcoin network undergoes.

I mean, what if I started a website called Matthew Bucks and people deposited money there, and sent money between accounts -- basically like Paypal.

How is Bitcoin different than that? That's what I'm talking about. This isn't another Beanz, Paypal, or any other digital micro-currency. It's actually a PRODUCT albeit an electronic one. What you're PAYING FOR is a private key that gives you access to a cryptographic item that is used to transfer wealth between people anywhere in the world. And they're quite liquid.

That's one thing that repeatedly gives me pause every time I'm tempted to think Bitcoin is finished. Everything else, I have to go with the naysayers (not enough practical uses, no places to spend them, users are mostly speculators, etc.)



That's like saying since you pay your bills with Fiat currency we can't trust you or expect you aren't telling the full story.

Sorry but I don't trust your saying to not trust them in their saying because you use the "System".

All media attention is inherently slightly biased towards whoever pays them the big bucks. Now I'm sorry the biggest corporation is "government", just as how some places the biggest corporation is the mafia, or some mega-conglomerate. News will more or less always be biased to who has money and power, now if you don't like that tough luck. It's not like it's going to change if Bitcoin dominated and some early adopter(s) became super powerful and controlled the media.

Take it for what it is worth. It could be "Bitcoin, the Devils Work." Would that be any better?
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July 18, 2011, 04:39:34 PM
#18
I wouldn't trust CNN. They are beholden to the existing system of Big Business, Big Banks, etc.

Notice the Bitcoin "taking off like a rocket" at the beginning, implying hyperinflation or too many coins in circulation.

These stories *never* focus on the actual value of BTC -- what makes them special. It's the fact that you can't hack or fake them. Hacking or faking them would be MORE difficult than just mining some real ones. The aspect of how the block chain is un-hackable, and becomes more-so with every increase in processing power the Bitcoin network undergoes.

I mean, what if I started a website called Matthew Bucks and people deposited money there, and sent money between accounts -- basically like Paypal.

How is Bitcoin different than that? That's what I'm talking about. This isn't another Beanz, Paypal, or any other digital micro-currency. It's actually a PRODUCT albeit an electronic one. What you're PAYING FOR is a private key that gives you access to a cryptographic item that is used to transfer wealth between people anywhere in the world. And they're quite liquid.

That's one thing that repeatedly gives me pause every time I'm tempted to think Bitcoin is finished. Everything else, I have to go with the naysayers (not enough practical uses, no places to spend them, users are mostly speculators, etc.)



Slam the mainstream media all you want, but when they put out a fair and reasonable piece, you should acknowledge it. The video was very balanced and, IMO, well done.

Letting your own biases cloud your judgement would be ironic given that you're critical of CNN for that very same thing...
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July 18, 2011, 04:14:59 PM
#17
I wouldn't trust CNN. They are beholden to the existing system of Big Business, Big Banks, etc.

Notice the Bitcoin "taking off like a rocket" at the beginning, implying hyperinflation or too many coins in circulation.

These stories *never* focus on the actual value of BTC -- what makes them special. It's the fact that you can't hack or fake them. Hacking or faking them would be MORE difficult than just mining some real ones. The aspect of how the block chain is un-hackable, and becomes more-so with every increase in processing power the Bitcoin network undergoes.

I mean, what if I started a website called Matthew Bucks and people deposited money there, and sent money between accounts -- basically like Paypal.

How is Bitcoin different than that? That's what I'm talking about. This isn't another Beanz, Paypal, or any other digital micro-currency. It's actually a PRODUCT albeit an electronic one. What you're PAYING FOR is a private key that gives you access to a cryptographic item that is used to transfer wealth between people anywhere in the world. And they're quite liquid.

That's one thing that repeatedly gives me pause every time I'm tempted to think Bitcoin is finished. Everything else, I have to go with the naysayers (not enough practical uses, no places to spend them, users are mostly speculators, etc.)

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July 18, 2011, 04:01:24 PM
#16
This is great news you guys! The reporting was really fair, and and genuine. Great job CNN. Smiley
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July 18, 2011, 04:00:30 PM
#15
Bruce is going to be famous !  Grin

He will be able to get any chick he wants (if he's into that kinda thing).  
I see what you are doing there, and I don't like it...



Wha?
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July 18, 2011, 03:59:59 PM
#14
I'll be rich with bitcoin Smiley.

not if you dont stop your gambling addiction.  

offtopic:  I don't have any gambling addiction, moreover I'm making profit with 95% of risky investments I do (for sure, it works for bitcoin itself and some bitcoin-based activities)...

In fact, there is a good correlation between Bitcoin popularity and price, as evidenced by google trends and alexa rankings.

 It's obvious. We don't have any other relevant criteria.  

I was just messing around, I got a gambling link in my sig too.
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July 18, 2011, 03:57:43 PM
#13
I'll be rich with bitcoin Smiley.

not if you dont stop your gambling addiction.  

offtopic:  I don't have any gambling addiction, moreover I'm making profit with 95% of risky investments I do (for sure, it works for bitcoin itself and some bitcoin-based activities)...

In fact, there is a good correlation between Bitcoin popularity and price, as evidenced by google trends and alexa rankings.

 It's obvious. We don't have any other relevant criteria.  
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July 18, 2011, 03:56:33 PM
#12
Bruce is going to be famous !  Grin

He will be able to get any chick he wants (if he's into that kinda thing).  
I see what you are doing there, and I don't like it...

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