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hero member
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January 14, 2018, 03:06:14 PM
Bitcoin mining  is nt so profitable compared to trading trading and holding is more profitable than mining
It depends on how they you mine bitcoin, if you are using cloud mining yes that is not profitable but if you have mining rigs and powerful hardware i think mining is much better than trading because you do not need to monitor it daily unlike trading.
Not all the times because when you do make mining physically doesnt mean you would really be profitable. Mining do have different areas which would only focus on bitcoin or on some alts which they do really require different miners or apparatus.For now large scale mining farm with asics+ less energy cost then it would really be profitable for you the same on GPU mining too but the advantage is on video cards is that you can choose up wide variety of coins.
newbie
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January 14, 2018, 10:05:42 AM
I think it comes down to risk tolerance. You can invest in mining equipment and feel some level of comfort knowing YOU hold and control your BTC.

Whereas with trading, you're dependent so much on the company behind the coin (altcoins). Or in some cases, an exchange locking up registrations, withdrawals, etc.

I like to control the money so, to me anyway, mining is the more comfortable way to go. Profitable? Maybe, maybe not. But I like to sleep good at night Smiley
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January 14, 2018, 09:03:17 AM
Bitcoin mining  is nt so profitable compared to trading trading and holding is more profitable than mining
It depends on how they you mine bitcoin, if you are using cloud mining yes that is not profitable but if you have mining rigs and powerful hardware i think mining is much better than trading because you do not need to monitor it daily unlike trading.
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January 14, 2018, 08:00:53 AM
Bitcoin mining  is nt so profitable compared to trading trading and holding is more profitable than mining
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January 13, 2018, 10:36:54 PM
Mining or buying bitcoin is almost the same, which is the benefit of bitcoin. Mining bitcoin requires big capital  and big risk, it is suitable for people who do not really like challenges or big risks. The profits are fast, but the profits are small. While buying bitcoin also has a greater risk, but the benefits are also very large. Capital does not have to be big, but it takes a long time to get big profits.
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January 13, 2018, 09:50:43 PM
I never trust those crypto investments who operates online and just make promises. If only you have started your journey in hyips and faucets and you would know that none of these cloud mining is legit and just basically are all scams.
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January 13, 2018, 06:02:55 PM
Ive met some group of financial adviser, they told me that the best way to aquire bitcoin is through cloud mining, they gave me names of trusted cloud mining providers and as of my research, they are well known and trusted.
Then ive met some people, whos already earning big bucks on bitcoin, they dont recommend cloud mining. They told me that its expensive and risky, but as for my understanding its good way of gaining passive income.
What are the possible reason on thier contradiction?
Whos recommendation should i try and why?
Unfortunately those who claimed to you to be a good financial adviser did not do a good job as they ended up giving you information that was not right. Cloud mining right now is the last thing you really want to do and you will be lucky to even get your investment back in the long run, better still, if you have enough bucks to invest, you can just start your own mining yourself or simply just buy bitcoin and keep in your wallet.

Mining is suggested only when industry level of operation is planned otherwise mining some altcoins and then converting into bitcoin is also a good idea for new aspirants.
I agree with you cloud mining is not advisable to put your money now, majority of it are just ponzi schemes. They pay at first but will fail fo pay you as time passes and will only give you headaches. Listen to an experienced one who already earn bucks because there are many ways to earn crypto especially if you have good amount of capital.
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January 13, 2018, 05:47:28 PM
Ive met some group of financial adviser, they told me that the best way to aquire bitcoin is through cloud mining, they gave me names of trusted cloud mining providers and as of my research, they are well known and trusted.
Then ive met some people, whos already earning big bucks on bitcoin, they dont recommend cloud mining. They told me that its expensive and risky, but as for my understanding its good way of gaining passive income.
What are the possible reason on thier contradiction?
Whos recommendation should i try and why?

If you have a multi million funds then you must give mining a shot, if your funds are just in a medium range then BTC mining is not recommended because it is not profitable now, this time is not like that back in the old days. you should consider mining ETHEREUM or Zcash.

is there any cloudmining groups in south africa
I don't know and why did you bring you up these question?

Ive met some group of financial adviser, they told me that the best way to aquire bitcoin is through cloud mining, they gave me names of trusted cloud mining providers and as of my research, they are well known and trusted.
Then ive met some people, whos already earning big bucks on bitcoin, they dont recommend cloud mining. They told me that its expensive and risky, but as for my understanding its good way of gaining passive income.
What are the possible reason on thier contradiction?
Whos recommendation should i try and why?
you know what? all users here in our forum most of them are not recommend cloud mining because of their experience on it, 95% of mining site are turn to scam and the rest 5% are legit to those who have tools or hardware for mining, which mean there is no reliable cloud mining site. if i where you I will forget cloud mining so I will not regret it later.

True, if you are thinking of mining online then you should stop because mining only exists in the actual production and making your own hardware, or mining rig.
But why you? that means you are not sure? or is it just a typo, if you're reading this then stop in cloud mining bro (ONLINE). I guess it is better to invest in legit ICO.
legendary
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January 13, 2018, 07:32:27 AM
I know a little about cloud mining.
I think so far cloud mining is still very profitable although it is not recommended for beginners.
because there are many costs that need to be issued.
but if it can be well set.
this can produce quite large
You indeed know very little about cloud mining and that raises the question if you're the original owner of above account? As is, cloud mining ceased to be attractive to anyone as soon as they become experienced enough to see through their resemblance with any ponzi scheme out there. At best, those early payments are carrots before donkeys and unknown to many, it is sending back to you, tips of the much you already invested and only few are lucky enough to even recoup their investment before the party is over, because there usually are no mining hardware anywhere.

Haha, you have noticed something. Well, you have a great point. Cloud mining are just ponzi scheme, a waste of time and money. You don't have control on your investment and you aren't sure about the longevity of site you have joined.
It seems very difficult but I agree with your comment. I've also invested in bitcoin cloud-based websites, and what I've found is that after 3 months I have not yet recovered my capital, and more and more information about fraudulent websites. This makes me very confused. I advise newbies not to exploit bitcoin with the cloud.

To bad for you and this could be a good basis for us to double check or think twice before we put ourselves on risky situation, But I wouldn't recommend for those new headed guys to seek for that kind of platform since theirs nothing we can do with cloudbase mining platform since a huge chance that they will scam us and snatch our pockets. And the best platform for now to go with is on tradings since we can control our investment with this selection.
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January 13, 2018, 03:05:04 AM
Ive met some group of financial adviser, they told me that the best way to aquire bitcoin is through cloud mining, they gave me names of trusted cloud mining providers and as of my research, they are well known and trusted.
Then ive met some people, whos already earning big bucks on bitcoin, they dont recommend cloud mining. They told me that its expensive and risky, but as for my understanding its good way of gaining passive income.
What are the possible reason on thier contradiction?
Whos recommendation should i try and why?
Unfortunately those who claimed to you to be a good financial adviser did not do a good job as they ended up giving you information that was not right. Cloud mining right now is the last thing you really want to do and you will be lucky to even get your investment back in the long run, better still, if you have enough bucks to invest, you can just start your own mining yourself or simply just buy bitcoin and keep in your wallet.

Mining is suggested only when industry level of operation is planned otherwise mining some altcoins and then converting into bitcoin is also a good idea for new aspirants.
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January 12, 2018, 08:57:39 PM
I know a little about cloud mining.
I think so far cloud mining is still very profitable although it is not recommended for beginners.
because there are many costs that need to be issued.
but if it can be well set.
this can produce quite large
You indeed know very little about cloud mining and that raises the question if you're the original owner of above account? As is, cloud mining ceased to be attractive to anyone as soon as they become experienced enough to see through their resemblance with any ponzi scheme out there. At best, those early payments are carrots before donkeys and unknown to many, it is sending back to you, tips of the much you already invested and only few are lucky enough to even recoup their investment before the party is over, because there usually are no mining hardware anywhere.

Haha, you have noticed something. Well, you have a great point. Cloud mining are just ponzi scheme, a waste of time and money. You don't have control on your investment and you aren't sure about the longevity of site you have joined.
It seems very difficult but I agree with your comment. I've also invested in bitcoin cloud-based websites, and what I've found is that after 3 months I have not yet recovered my capital, and more and more information about fraudulent websites. This makes me very confused. I advise newbies not to exploit bitcoin with the cloud.
legendary
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January 12, 2018, 12:08:53 PM
Ive met some group of financial adviser, they told me that the best way to aquire bitcoin is through cloud mining, they gave me names of trusted cloud mining providers and as of my research, they are well known and trusted.
Then ive met some people, whos already earning big bucks on bitcoin, they dont recommend cloud mining. They told me that its expensive and risky, but as for my understanding its good way of gaining passive income.
What are the possible reason on thier contradiction?
Whos recommendation should i try and why?
The majority of those Bitcoin cloud mining are scams, even those legit ones that have been operating for a long time and really pays their investors are not profitable and it will take years before you will get your return of investment and yes it is very risky, it is much better if you do your own mining than investing there, it will just take months before you get your ROI (depending on how efficient your mining hardware is). What is the recommendation of second one? if that is trading then yes it more profitable than investing in cloud mining sites but still risky.
Obviously, trading cannot even be compared to cloud mining because with trading you are not just going to be tying down your capital but you are increasing it gradually and as long as you are good, you are going to be making a lot of money in the process.

On the other hand, cloud mining is going to tie down your capital and like you said, before you can even smell your return on investment and start accruing profit, that would be some years.
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January 12, 2018, 08:46:27 AM
Ive met some group of financial adviser, they told me that the best way to aquire bitcoin is through cloud mining, they gave me names of trusted cloud mining providers and as of my research, they are well known and trusted.
Then ive met some people, whos already earning big bucks on bitcoin, they dont recommend cloud mining. They told me that its expensive and risky, but as for my understanding its good way of gaining passive income.
What are the possible reason on thier contradiction?
Whos recommendation should i try and why?
you know what? all users here in our forum most of them are not recommend cloud mining because of their experience on it, 95% of mining site are turn to scam and the rest 5% are legit to those who have tools or hardware for mining, which mean there is no reliable cloud mining site. if i where you I will forget cloud mining so I will not regret it later.
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January 12, 2018, 07:33:40 AM

I also think that the time of individual miners has gone but also know some peple who have just bought the equipment and started that business.
Cloudimining is too risky because of too many scam scheems so it looks like mining definetely isn't something that could be recommended. Unless you have a mining farm. So, stick to trading.

This is also thing of the past, solo mining is not profitable anymore. But I don't know, I still seeing people buying antminers, are they are doing solo mining or what? Trading is the only viable option for us to really make a lot of bitcoins. Solo mining is only profitable in the beginning, we have heard countless early adopters who have started to mine bitcoin and turns to be a millionaire. But now its not the case.

That's also my point of view but here in my country many are now fond of mining. They say the ROI is just less or more than a year but the thing is the electricity cost here is like a gold and the Internet connection is turtle like, so how can they perform mining well? IMO, maybe mining isn't include in my plans that's why I'm saying this and I just prefer more doing trading.
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January 12, 2018, 01:15:11 AM
Moreover, you also need to have really high performing super computers which is not that much easy to buy.

Just by looking at the difficulty increases, it should be a clear indication that mining Bitcoin just isn't something you should be doing. People think that if you buy an Antminer you're all set and will quickly ROI, which isn't the case. Sure, eventually eventually you might break even and from that point generate pure income, but the earnings will be so insignificant, that it is barely worth the effort. If mining will be done anyway, then people are far better off building an altcoin rig than focusing solely on Bitcoin. Altcoin prices are peaking at insane levels, which is great for miners, but no one knows how long these prices will be maintained, so people buying hardware right now might not benefit from current levels for too long anymore....

That may be true, but seriously a miner compared to a real estate investment or a lot of investment opportunities in the real world, the miner will still win. Imagine, a miner could pay itself after a bout a year or maybe a year and a half. As compared to a regular investment in the real world that would ROI by about five to ten years! Also, if you invest for the future running cost of your miners then that means you will be able to take advantage of any price increase of the crypto you are mining. That is something that you can do.

Have you tried investing in a real estate?  You can never compare an appreciating value to the depreciating one.  You might have an advantage in the beginning with  mining but on the long run, investing in real estate will be proven to be a better one.  One reason for this is, mining having a depreciating return.  Meaning you get less and less every mining payout unless you upgrade your hashes,  another thing is your gadget malfunctioning. If bad thing came and your mining equipment got busted right before you got your ROI, what do you think will happen to your investment?

To be honest with you I have. I have an investment of about $40,000 for almost about two years now. It earned about $5,000 after taxes per year. I get your point about appreciating value but honestly it is indeed good for the long run, however if you perform a quick evaluation of each investment you'll still find that the mining rig will out weigh the benefits of appreciating value of the property.

REAL ESTATE
Cost of condominium unit = $40,000
Estimated yearly profit = $5,000

ROI in 8 year and I can sell the unit say at about 150% after 8 years or $60,000. At 8 years that nets me $60,000 + $40,000 = $100,000. That means I profited about 150% in 8 years from my initial investment of $40,000. Which means I profited a mere 18.75% per year.

MINERS
Assuming you have a miner, usually it pays itself after about 8 to 10 months time and you invest also on the operating cost of it for a year, this means you will only need to convert your mined crypto after a year. That will result to higher profits since you speculated that the price will increase.

Assuming the miners only pays itself after 12 months or 1 year. That means anything I profit after 1 year is already pure profits.

Let's further assume that I invest $30,000 in miners and $10,000 for operating costs for one year (electricity, internet, etc.).

First year I profited $40,000 in crypto but since I don't need to spend it yet, I speculate and the value of the mined crypto increased by 100% (which is super conservative, usually crypto goes as much as 400% per year). That would mean my first year of mining is already worth $80,000. That also means I ROI already by the first year and even profited 100% in just 1 year! Say the next year, the miner is somewhat obsolete and it does not mine as much as it had before and due to the difficulty increase it could only profit about $20,000 (less expenses this time since this is the 2nd year), then I still profited a lot by the 2nd year and had already exceeded what I would have profited from my real estate investment in 8 years!

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January 11, 2018, 10:48:25 PM
Moreover, you also need to have really high performing super computers which is not that much easy to buy.

Just by looking at the difficulty increases, it should be a clear indication that mining Bitcoin just isn't something you should be doing. People think that if you buy an Antminer you're all set and will quickly ROI, which isn't the case. Sure, eventually eventually you might break even and from that point generate pure income, but the earnings will be so insignificant, that it is barely worth the effort. If mining will be done anyway, then people are far better off building an altcoin rig than focusing solely on Bitcoin. Altcoin prices are peaking at insane levels, which is great for miners, but no one knows how long these prices will be maintained, so people buying hardware right now might not benefit from current levels for too long anymore....

That may be true, but seriously a miner compared to a real estate investment or a lot of investment opportunities in the real world, the miner will still win. Imagine, a miner could pay itself after a bout a year or maybe a year and a half. As compared to a regular investment in the real world that would ROI by about five to ten years! Also, if you invest for the future running cost of your miners then that means you will be able to take advantage of any price increase of the crypto you are mining. That is something that you can do.

Have you tried investing in a real estate?  You can never compare an appreciating value to the depreciating one.  You might have an advantage in the beginning with  mining but on the long run, investing in real estate will be proven to be a better one.  One reason for this is, mining having a depreciating return.  Meaning you get less and less every mining payout unless you upgrade your hashes,  another thing is your gadget malfunctioning. If bad thing came and your mining equipment got busted right before you got your ROI, what do you think will happen to your investment?
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January 11, 2018, 10:10:11 PM
CLOUD MINING has a big risk of investing, because the smart contracts of the cloud mining company will depend not on you but on them. they hold what you have and they control all, when the company wants to close, you dont have the power to claim or to do something to get your tokens specially if your from another country. actually I personally experience cloud mining, i joined hashflare before it said that it was a lifetime contract but now the contract is 1 year, just like that they control the contracts and you dont have the power to change anything.
It's true cloud mining is very risky but we can't know it if they can't try it, other than that more people who can afford mining tools are the users who have high standing in the crypto currency community. I believe that only rich people are afford to buy mining tools.
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January 11, 2018, 06:51:08 PM
Moreover, you also need to have really high performing super computers which is not that much easy to buy.

Just by looking at the difficulty increases, it should be a clear indication that mining Bitcoin just isn't something you should be doing. People think that if you buy an Antminer you're all set and will quickly ROI, which isn't the case. Sure, eventually eventually you might break even and from that point generate pure income, but the earnings will be so insignificant, that it is barely worth the effort. If mining will be done anyway, then people are far better off building an altcoin rig than focusing solely on Bitcoin. Altcoin prices are peaking at insane levels, which is great for miners, but no one knows how long these prices will be maintained, so people buying hardware right now might not benefit from current levels for too long anymore....

That may be true, but seriously a miner compared to a real estate investment or a lot of investment opportunities in the real world, the miner will still win. Imagine, a miner could pay itself after a bout a year or maybe a year and a half. As compared to a regular investment in the real world that would ROI by about five to ten years! Also, if you invest for the future running cost of your miners then that means you will be able to take advantage of any price increase of the crypto you are mining. That is something that you can do.
legendary
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January 11, 2018, 06:42:52 PM
Moreover, you also need to have really high performing super computers which is not that much easy to buy.

Just by looking at the difficulty increases, it should be a clear indication that mining Bitcoin just isn't something you should be doing. People think that if you buy an Antminer you're all set and will quickly ROI, which isn't the case. Sure, eventually eventually you might break even and from that point generate pure income, but the earnings will be so insignificant, that it is barely worth the effort. If mining will be done anyway, then people are far better off building an altcoin rig than focusing solely on Bitcoin. Altcoin prices are peaking at insane levels, which is great for miners, but no one knows how long these prices will be maintained, so people buying hardware right now might not benefit from current levels for too long anymore....
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January 11, 2018, 03:58:30 PM
I know a little about cloud mining.
I think so far cloud mining is still very profitable although it is not recommended for beginners.
because there are many costs that need to be issued.
but if it can be well set.
this can produce quite large
You indeed know very little about cloud mining and that raises the question if you're the original owner of above account? As is, cloud mining ceased to be attractive to anyone as soon as they become experienced enough to see through their resemblance with any ponzi scheme out there. At best, those early payments are carrots before donkeys and unknown to many, it is sending back to you, tips of the much you already invested and only few are lucky enough to even recoup their investment before the party is over, because there usually are no mining hardware anywhere.

Haha, you have noticed something. Well, you have a great point. Cloud mining are just ponzi scheme, a waste of time and money. You don't have control on your investment and you aren't sure about the longevity of site you have joined.
Agreed! Mining is something good but the fact is you really need to have a huge number of resources in order to make things happen in a way that you actually want. Mining involves a lot of consumption of power and electricity and that it really gets costly when it comes to paying the bills. Moreover, you also need to have really high performing super computers which is not that much easy to buy.
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