Topic: Bitcoin mixer reccomendations? (Read 369 times)

Lame or not doesn't matter for people who seriously want to stay anonymous


No offense, but you should've mention that you receive the information from your friend and you can't verify the truth. People in cryptocurrency world is very sensitive with FUD and scam attempt.


But they can ask KYC if they find the transaction suspicious. You'll be forced to choose between losing your anonymity or losing your money.

I would recommend chipmixer because they are the most popular chipmixer in the forum IMO.
They have a lot of budge for marketing funds so we can expect they have a lot of clients using the service and less likely they will scam clients when they are so profitable with the service,.. I am using this and it's easy to use and at the same time, fees are reasonable.

Bisq is amazing in my opinion, they created an awesome system which can be developed and can reach new underestimated/underrated ways of mixing which can be more eficient! For now bisq is lame as service but the approach is way better than most of mixers.


1. Yes, you're totally right, and that might one of the reason we love the public ledger of the blockchain. A blockchain can be not public, but the ledger is a different story so you're mistaken.
2.I am not doing fud, and i didn't. I said clearly that I am not a proffesional, people proved me how it works and how it is being done. I asked my friends regarding the exact time they can find the transactions of the chipmixer; when I will have an answer with the exact seconds I will send a reply. In any case any transaction did by most of exchanges are followed in real time by people paid to do so with specific algorithms. I can not provide any kind of proof as I don't have any and I wouldn't know how to do so. It is a matter of fact what I am saying wheather you believe me or not.
3.I love the way you used for "some". Nothing stops you to do 10 accounts and change under 1k$ each (I am not aware of their limits); changelly was a generic example.

*I am really sorries for my typos but here right now it is 8 am and I didn't had the chance to sleep the last 24 hours. I will rest for now. I will correct my post for the typos when I wake up.*

Let's break that down: He was able to easily break all other centralized mixers he attempted. He was unable to break Chipmixer by applying the same heuristics. That does not imply he could have broken Chipmixer given more time or effort. All we have are the facts: while many mixing algorithms have been publicly broken, Chipmixer has not been.

Feel free to have your "friends" drop by and enlighten us though.

What do you mean by this? All coins can be found on the blockchain. Such is the nature of the blockchain.

That is exactly what you have done, though. FUD is defined as disinformation without solid evidence to back it up. Claiming that ChipMixer can be broken in under 5 minutes, but then refusing to provide any evidence whatsoever to back up that claim, is textbook FUD.

Changelly requires KYC for some users and so is a bad choice. Furthermore, there's a lot more to coming close to anonymity than simply using Monero. Most users will need to change everything from their operating system to their browsing habits, and everything in between.

As I previously said, I am not a proffesional.

@exstasie please read the content of what you have posted:


And his purpose was not chipmixer if you are going to analyze it.

@joniboini

I will ask them if they want to share they aknowledge here with the people, but I don't think it will be in their interest or helping anyone with anything. And to be honest, 5 minutes sounds quite a lot for me when I suppose it is way smaller as time frame.

Before when I wrote my previous message I stated clearly that I am not looking to do a FUD for chipmixer or any other mixer, it is only the reality. I am not a technical person even tho, i understand perfectly clear more than an average person.

As also people believed from the beggining that Grin is a annonymous cryptocurrency, I said many times on their forum that I do not believe so; and last months have been a proof. If you want to stay annonymous just start using XMR or change with fast auto-change services like changelly to XMR and start sending the coins away.

Cheers,

M.

Can you do a demo for this? 5 minutes is much wow.

A researcher was able to break numerous mixing services last year but was unable to break Chipmixer. If your "friends" can truly de-anonymize Chipmixer transactions, we're all ears, but don't expect us to simply take your word for it.

Chipmixer's address clusters can surely be analyzed, but the identical chip amounts at such high volumes makes it extremely difficult to distinguish among transacting parties. Compared to traditional mixers, the model should significantly reduce the effectiveness of known blockchain analysis heuristics.

At this moment there is none reliable bitcoin mixer. Chip mixer coins can be found on the blockchain! It won't help you at all!

*Personal opinion only*

Just use burner addresses and mix it yourself; learn how to avoid creating a tree and all will be going good. 20-35 transactions can clean your bitcoin very easily. It is not so much to learn, 4-5 hours and you will be already a proffesional.

Chip mixer when launched were amazing, able to clean and divide the coins in such way that you are not traceble, or less traceble. Right now it takes 5 minutes to find your transactions. You can do a great mixing if you add as receiving address another mix deposit and basically doing a 2 times mixing.

It's the only way it will become a mess and it shall be more difficult. I am not a professional myself regarding this job, but I have some good friends that is their job to track bitcoin transactions and follow what happens each block; and I know from them that is not usefull to use at all Chipmixer.

Sorry to hear that. Nobody deserves to be scammed of their money while trying to get it more private and this is why you should always do research prior to using a service to keep yourself safe. I would recommend Chipmixer which I believe is unanimously the only site that everyone would suggest. You may think its biased but if you want safety with efficient transaction then CM is the best choice.

You should make a thread in "Scam Accusations" to describe it if you have any information still available. It would be of great help to spread awareness among other users.

Shit happens. When they are trying to use mixer like that for first time, they don't know about them. When they google it and that site popped up to the first link on their browser, they will click it and try it without doing any more research.

I wonder why many users here let those scammers took your money first before asking any legit and recommended services like this one mixing services if you ask first before taking any action then you should avoided it, this forum has a lot of helpful members most especially when related to bitcoin ,although I did not use any mixer before I can see many trusted members here recommends https://chipmixer.com 

@ralle14 has gave you a clear explanation and you can see the website one by one and pick the mixer that you like. Also DoublerHunter has gave a warning to not deal with some mixer on this thread ⚠️ List of Bitcoin Mixer or tumbler SCAM/CLONE websites ⚠️ by logfiles

Clearly, you have to make your own research to choose the legit platform and when you found a platform that you doubt between legit or scam then you are freely to add your question here.

OP always double check which website you are using, also never click on google ads regarding to mixer (it's blocked but in case such ads appears consider my advice). Also always check reviews of mixers on this forum, check scam accusation threads that are opened against them (if any) and see what was the problem, whose fault it was and how it was solved.
Personally I can suggest you chipmixer and [banned mixer] both of them are old and trustworthy but for higher anonymity I would choose chipmixer. And to talk about funds, cryptomixer has proved that they have reserves of more than 2000 bitcoin.

^ Be careful next and sorry for your loss. Here is the thread that similar name with bitcoin-blender and it was scammed 1.55 BTC. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/lost-btc-bitblenderme-is-a-scam-site-5025688.
I will suggest you in having a short review and further research on these all scam websites bitcoin mixers that create with @logfiles. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/list-of-bitcoin-mixer-or-tumbler-scamclone-websites-5163858. Nevertheless, you should be careful next and always double-check the domain name given above by @hugeblack.

Sorry about that but it's been reported several times before that there were fake 'bitcoin blender' sites out there. And the known one has shutdown and scammed someone as they close.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=229601

Choose chipmixer for now, it's reputable and reliable for the majority as you can see base on the feedback of everyone.

Yup. Never visit anything other than the actual domain of the service itself.

I did a quick search on youtube for Chipmixer, and on top pops up a scam site using the exact same UI as Chipmixer, but with a different domain extension, namely .se which should raise instant red flags. This is how a lot new people get scammed because youtube is generally the go-to place for tutorials and reviews. Scammers are always a step ahead of the uneducated herd. 

What's the service that scammed you?

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The service that scammed me was https://bitcoin-blender.com/ or bitcoin blender. Any website with that same UI is fraud ! Beware  

while wasabi wallet and samourai wallet have made great strides towards privacy and trustlessness with their implementation of coinjoins, these implementations are far from perfect.

a binance singapore customer recently had his account frozen after participating in wasabi wallet coinjoins with outputs withdrawn from the exchange.

i love the idea of trustless and less centralized methods, but liquidity is a real problem for coinjoins right now. in a world with CT to obscure transaction values, they would be safer too. they just don't seem ready for prime time yet. we're still in a transitioning state where centralized mixers can be far superior.

What's the service that scammed you?

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They make use of Coinjoin, it combines several bitcoin payments from different persons into a single transaction, so an outside person is unable to determine where the respective bitcoins are located. They can't say bitcoin A belongs to user #1234 with address xyz, etc....




https://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/coinjoin.asp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKoMvOH4zoY
https://samouraiwallet.com/whirlpool
https://github.com/nopara73/ZeroLink/
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/enhanced-privacy-with-wasabi-samourai-wallets-5184238