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Quote from: BitcoinNewsMagazine on July 12, 2016, 10:24:19 PM

1) Using a VPN connect to shapeshift.io and use bitcoin to buy Monero and store in your local Monero wallet
2) Again using a VPN connect to xmr.to and sell your Monero for bitcoin and send to a local bitcoin wallet.

Why Monero? It intrinsically has a higher degree of privacy than Bitcoin due to the Cryptonote protocol used. It will be impossible to link the bitcoin you received back from xmr.to with the bitcoin you sent to shapeshift.io

Good idea to use Monero, as it does have built-in stealth features. But be careful about relying too much on VPNs for anonymity. VPN's provide privacy but not anonymity. Whoever runs your VPN has direct access to your true IP address, and you can only take their word that they won't share that info with third parties.

If I were using your method I would use tor instead of vpn, if shapeshift and xmr are tor-capable

Both shapeshift.io and xmr.to work fine over Tor. You just have to whitelist the sites in Tor browser so they can execute scripts.

I agree that shapeshift is a good way, but you have to make sure that their funds get used up to get rid of the chance of any "dirty" coins landing in your new address.

Change into LTC, wait maybe a week or so so that their coins are already probably replaced, then change back to BTC.
As time consuming and laborious as this sounds, it may work.

If you don't like waiting, Bitmixer.io is legit.

That is the reason to use Monero. No waiting needed. I do agree it is good practice to change bitcoin to Monero using shapeshift then back to bitcoin using xmr.to. The transaction trail is completely broken. You can always use the taint analysis tool at blockchain.info to check.

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Quote from: BitcoinNewsMagazine on July 13, 2016, 09:03:14 PM

I beg to differ with you on that. Both of these services are suffering from having to adhere to strict KYC and AML regulations. They will turn you over to the authorities so quickly, it will make your head spin. OP, I have not had trouble with the company in my signature and I have been using them for years now. ^smile^ < Bitmixer.io >

I agree. Xapo and Coinbase are one of the worst companies in the Bitcoin sphere. I would avoid them at all costs, even if you don't have the intention to mix your coins. As far as I know, Bitmixer.io is a non-scam business - at least there are no real reports and the service is operating for years now.

An alternative way to get rid of the government spying agencies is to buy / sell altcoins. Shapeshift.io might be a useful service in that regard. Of course, even better than using services of any company is doing p2p trades. While requiring more effort, this way you can get rid of any automatic logging and support the idea of decentralization as well.

KYC and AML is a disease. These measures are totally ineffective to fight crime, their only purpose is to spy on the average citizen to be able to extort more dues and taxes in future. Any Bitcoin company that implements these measure should be boycotted.

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i don't know about xapo because i have never checked them out but i find coinbase a very useful service for "newbies". although there has been some complains about their services recently but i think they are still one of the simplest ways for a new user to start using bitcoin to buy/sell/hold bitcoin all in one place.

For a very long time Xapo was the default faucet payout system, until they decided to start to join the KYC and AML trend. This chased away a lot of people, because most people used these kind of services for the low fees and the multiple accounts for different faucets. So yes, Xapo is also not a Bitcoin friendly service, in regards to privacy.

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Quote from: BitcoinNewsMagazine on July 12, 2016, 10:24:19 PM

1) Using a VPN connect to shapeshift.io and use bitcoin to buy Monero and store in your local Monero wallet
2) Again using a VPN connect to xmr.to and sell your Monero for bitcoin and send to a local bitcoin wallet.

Why Monero? It intrinsically has a higher degree of privacy than Bitcoin due to the Cryptonote protocol used. It will be impossible to link the bitcoin you received back from xmr.to with the bitcoin you sent to shapeshift.io

Good idea to use Monero, as it does have built-in stealth features. But be careful about relying too much on VPNs for anonymity. VPN's provide privacy but not anonymity. Whoever runs your VPN has direct access to your true IP address, and you can only take their word that they won't share that info with third parties.

If I were using your method I would use tor instead of vpn, if shapeshift and xmr are tor-capable

Both shapeshift.io and xmr.to work fine over Tor. You just have to whitelist the sites in Tor browser so they can execute scripts.

I agree that shapeshift is a good way, but you have to make sure that their funds get used up to get rid of the chance of any "dirty" coins landing in your new address.

Change into LTC, wait maybe a week or so so that their coins are already probably replaced, then change back to BTC.
As time consuming and laborious as this sounds, it may work.

If you don't like waiting, Bitmixer.io is legit.

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Quote from: yayayo on July 13, 2016, 07:53:33 AM

I beg to differ with you on that. Both of these services are suffering from having to adhere to strict KYC and AML regulations. They will turn you over to the authorities so quickly, it will make your head spin. OP, I have not had trouble with the company in my signature and I have been using them for years now. ^smile^ < Bitmixer.io >

I agree. Xapo and Coinbase are one of the worst companies in the Bitcoin sphere. I would avoid them at all costs, even if you don't have the intention to mix your coins. As far as I know, Bitmixer.io is a non-scam business - at least there are no real reports and the service is operating for years now.

An alternative way to get rid of the government spying agencies is to buy / sell altcoins. Shapeshift.io might be a useful service in that regard. Of course, even better than using services of any company is doing p2p trades. While requiring more effort, this way you can get rid of any automatic logging and support the idea of decentralization as well.

KYC and AML is a disease. These measures are totally ineffective to fight crime, their only purpose is to spy on the average citizen to be able to extort more dues and taxes in future. Any Bitcoin company that implements these measure should be boycotted.

ya.ya.yo!

i don't know about xapo because i have never checked them out but i find coinbase a very useful service for "newbies". although there has been some complains about their services recently but i think they are still one of the simplest ways for a new user to start using bitcoin to buy/sell/hold bitcoin all in one place.

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Quote from: BitcoinNewsMagazine on July 12, 2016, 10:24:19 PM

1) Using a VPN connect to shapeshift.io and use bitcoin to buy Monero and store in your local Monero wallet
2) Again using a VPN connect to xmr.to and sell your Monero for bitcoin and send to a local bitcoin wallet.

Why Monero? It intrinsically has a higher degree of privacy than Bitcoin due to the Cryptonote protocol used. It will be impossible to link the bitcoin you received back from xmr.to with the bitcoin you sent to shapeshift.io

Good idea to use Monero, as it does have built-in stealth features. But be careful about relying too much on VPNs for anonymity. VPN's provide privacy but not anonymity. Whoever runs your VPN has direct access to your true IP address, and you can only take their word that they won't share that info with third parties.

If I were using your method I would use tor instead of vpn, if shapeshift and xmr are tor-capable

Both shapeshift.io and xmr.to work fine over Tor. You just have to whitelist the sites in Tor browser so they can execute scripts.

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I think bitcoin mixer is a think for people who are to paranoic. I mean, I guess different websites you use to buy something with btc already use cryptomixing and there is no need to do it once again

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Quote from: yayayo on July 13, 2016, 07:53:33 AM

I beg to differ with you on that. Both of these services are suffering from having to adhere to strict KYC and AML regulations. They will turn you over to the authorities so quickly, it will make your head spin. OP, I have not had trouble with the company in my signature and I have been using them for years now. ^smile^ < Bitmixer.io >

I agree. Xapo and Coinbase are one of the worst companies in the Bitcoin sphere. I would avoid them at all costs, even if you don't have the intention to mix your coins. As far as I know, Bitmixer.io is a non-scam business - at least there are no real reports and the service is operating for years now.

An alternative way to get rid of the government spying agencies is to buy / sell altcoins. Shapeshift.io might be a useful service in that regard. Of course, even better than using services of any company is doing p2p trades. While requiring more effort, this way you can get rid of any automatic logging and support the idea of decentralization as well.

KYC and AML is a disease. These measures are totally ineffective to fight crime, their only purpose is to spy on the average citizen to be able to extort more dues and taxes in future. Any Bitcoin company that implements these measure should be boycotted.

ya.ya.yo!

Are you sure that bitmixer is serious? Read this: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3yklrd/accidentally_sent_btc_to_bitmixer_donation/

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i totally dont have and idea also of what bitmixer do. Can anyone also explain to me base on experience if this thing is really making a profit because the only thing i know about it is that you also have to invest amount

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I beg to differ with you on that. Both of these services are suffering from having to adhere to strict KYC and AML regulations. They will turn you over to the authorities so quickly, it will make your head spin. OP, I have not had trouble with the company in my signature and I have been using them for years now. ^smile^ < Bitmixer.io >

I agree. Xapo and Coinbase are one of the worst companies in the Bitcoin sphere. I would avoid them at all costs, even if you don't have the intention to mix your coins. As far as I know, Bitmixer.io is a non-scam business - at least there are no real reports and the service is operating for years now.

An alternative way to get rid of the government spying agencies is to buy / sell altcoins. Shapeshift.io might be a useful service in that regard. Of course, even better than using services of any company is doing p2p trades. While requiring more effort, this way you can get rid of any automatic logging and support the idea of decentralization as well.

KYC and AML is a disease. These measures are totally ineffective to fight crime, their only purpose is to spy on the average citizen to be able to extort more dues and taxes in future. Any Bitcoin company that implements these measure should be boycotted.

ya.ya.yo!

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these days you can easily obfuscate your coins yourself
(trezor makes this a very simple task)
there is no real need to mix/tumble coins anymore
and when mixing, all you are doing is mixing dirty for dirty so a bit pointless

there are also numerous ways to exchange coins
like trading for altcoins and back
play poker against yourself etc.
but these will cost a bit to do

other than that you have Helix (2.5%)
that will give you new unsed coins

one other thing to note, is where you spend coins
and why you need them mixed
ignore the paranoid info you can read everywhere,
posted by mixers that want your 3% commision
unless you plan to hold the btc for a long time
or you plan to use an exchange like coinbase to cash out
there is no real need to mix

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Quote from: jacee on July 12, 2016, 07:20:28 PM

Use xapo or coinbase to mix your coin
They can use too to mix coin, you will get receive address and when you send coin it will come from diffrent addres.

Or you can use exchanger too

I beg to differ with you on that. Both of these services are suffering from having to adhere to strict KYC and AML regulations. They will turn you over to the authorities so quickly, it will make your head spin. OP, I have not had trouble with the company in my signature and I have been using them for years now. ^smile^ < Bitmixer.io >

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Quote from: ninass on July 12, 2016, 05:59:32 PM

Hello all. I would like to ask you on your experience with mixing bitcoins. I found bitmixer.io, but some people say they are not trustworthy see example: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3yklrd/accidentally_sent_btc_to_bitmixer_donation/
So it is OK or not?

There are trused bitcoin mixing service. You could try [banned mixer] if you don't trust bitmixer.

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Anyway, is there any better way to anonymously mix bitcoins and loose connection with bitcoins? And for free or low fees?
I heard that blockchain offers anonymous service that makes every transaction with new address and makes bitcoins anonymous.

It's not completely anonymous because it still can be tracked.

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can anyone explain me how can "hunters" track it if I send for example: 1 BTC 20 times on different addresses and changing amount and then get them on 1 address. How can the be sure that I am the same person and track me? (Using TOR ofcourse, that will not reveal my IP.)

Ay if you send the coins with wallet1 and you will receive it with wallet2, they will see a link between the two wallets, if then you will send a coin using a mixer, they will not know that the bitcoin came from wallet1. Did you get it?

Sorry I was accurate enough. Yes, I understand that when sending bitcoins from 1 wallet to another, there is connection... but to explain, I was wondering: I have for example 1 BTC on one wallet. I send 10 transactions to 10 different addresses on one another BTC wallet or make 10 wallets and send 0.1 on every wallet. Can not it confuse a person who wants to track me? They may think that I made 10 diferrent payments and I do not own that bitcoins anymore

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Quote from: jacee on July 12, 2016, 07:20:28 PM

There's no good reason to use a mixing service. You can get the same results more reliably and with much lower fees by mixing your coins on the altcoin exchanges. Here's how it works:

1) Deposit your bitcoins on the altcoin exchange of your choice
2) Spend those bitcoins to buy the altcoin of your choice
3) Withdraw your newly purchased altcoins and deposite them at a second altcoin exchange that trades that altcoin
4) Use your altcoins to purchase bitcoins, withdraw

That's it, you have now mixed your own bitcoins without having to trust a mixer not to steal your coins. Altcoin exchanges charge about 0.2% trading fees, so this method will cost you about 0.4%, compared to the 1.5-2% the mixers cost. Of course no method will make your coins 100% untraceable, but using exchanges should be enough for any purposes short of ISIS financing or comparably bad stuff. If you want an extra layer of anonymity then you can increase the number of exchanges you use to 3, 4, or however many exchanges you can find. You can use multiple altcoins, etc. etc. It's a very effective method, don't bother with mixers.

While your method is quite good you might have left a paper trail at least one of the exchanges, who know your email address, possibly other personal information and your true IP address. Here is an alternate method:

1) Using a VPN connect to shapeshift.io and use bitcoin to buy Monero and store in your local Monero wallet
2) Again using a VPN connect to xmr.to and sell your Monero for bitcoin and send to a local bitcoin wallet.

Why Monero? It intrinsically has a higher degree of privacy than Bitcoin due to the Cryptonote protocol used. It will be impossible to link the bitcoin you received back from xmr.to with the bitcoin you sent to shapeshift.io

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Quote from: ninass on July 12, 2016, 05:59:32 PM

Hello all. I would like to ask you on your experience with mixing bitcoins. I found bitmixer.io, but some people say they are not trustworthy see example: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3yklrd/accidentally_sent_btc_to_bitmixer_donation/
So it is OK or not?

There are trused bitcoin mixing service. You could try [banned mixer] if you don't trust bitmixer.
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you are saying if you don't trust bitmixer, a well known, established service that has been around for a couple of years then you should use a brand new service that has been around for a couple of months!

to OP: if you like you can change bitcoin to an altcoin (eg LTC) using a service like shapeshift and then back to bitcoin this way reaching what you want. although shapeshift may keep logs of the transactions because it is not a mixing service.

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As far as I can see, mixing bitcoin is really something that people do when they obtained "dirty" coins and try to wash them. However, when you are mixing your coins, the chances are there you will get back "dirty" coins from other sources. Also, there are risk that the operator decided to create a "system error" or some sorts and you may never see your coins.

Coinbase doesn't mix coin very well. If you try using the "taint analysis" in blockchain.info, you will still see the links between your coins and where you have obtained them from.

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Quote from: stiffbud on July 12, 2016, 09:05:49 PM

Use xapo or coinbase to mix your coin
They can use too to mix coin, you will get receive address and when you send coin it will come from diffrent addres.

Or you can use exchanger too

LOL. You sure about xapo and coinbase being able mix coins mate?
Las time I cheked they are just web wallets with less security.

That I can catch from him is using xapo or coinbase will receive a new address from coinbase and if you wanna to sending your amount from coinbase wallet to another wallet. it's will come from the different address from coinbase, not from your coinbase wallet address.

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Quote from: stiffbud on July 12, 2016, 09:05:49 PM

Use xapo or coinbase to mix your coin
They can use too to mix coin, you will get receive address and when you send coin it will come from diffrent addres.

Or you can use exchanger too

i'm using xapo and never heard of a mix service...

@topic
Like has been said, using a mixer could make you end up with a "dirtier" coin than your own. i think it would be better if you just send to a exchange and wait a few days.

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Use xapo or coinbase to mix your coin
They can use too to mix coin, you will get receive address and when you send coin it will come from diffrent addres.

Or you can use exchanger too

LOL. You sure about xapo and coinbase being able mix coins mate?
Las time I cheked they are just web wallets with less security.

Sure, they web wallet but not like blockchain.info
Better you use their service first for know about them, dont like chicken with no brain post only for 0.25 cent

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