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Topic: Bitcoin Monitor - High-Altitude 'Snakes' (Read 5993 times)

legendary
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June 21, 2011, 04:57:00 PM
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saw these snakes and found this post. really weird. also the low altitude snake - or is that the faucet againe http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=5819?

I've seen some repeating patterns on bitcoin monitor since my original post, and I find your snapshot interesting. I still have no idea what is really behind it, though.
newbie
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That looks shady as shit for some reason...
legendary
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saw these snakes and found this post. really weird. also the low altitude snake - or is that the faucet againe http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=5819?
legendary
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but how does a 50 BTC block correlate with a wallet transaction of 9,000 - 75,000 BTC?

Might be fee related? I recall reading something about the fee amount depending on how "old" the current block is...
legendary
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Honestly, I'm waiting for the first person to 'skywrite' "Hello" or a smiley-face in there Smiley

I don't know what these are for, just the pattern caught my interest. It could just be someone's personal mixing algorithm sending to different wallets, laundering for some other purpose, or whatever. I only put this thread out there to see if someone would say "Yeah, I know who is doing that - no big deal."

It still isn't that big of a deal, but the amounts are sure interesting...
member
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I'm not sure where it fits in with these snakes, but have a look at the "Largest transactions (last 300 blocks)" on http://blockexplorer.com - The same money, starting with 50k BTC, was moved many times to many accounts, leaving behind about 50BTC each time. Seems quite strange to me.

What do you think?
full member
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Seizure Alert!!!!    Good God how do I read this monstrosity
full member
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You should have used your brain before trying to reply smirky.

Total send doesnt equate to total available.

I can send 1BTC a million times(if there were no delay of course) in a day and it would show 1million BTC transfered.

I just pointed out a fact that huge amounts of coins where moved in last 24hrs. and the reason i think we see this movement because everyone trying to safely secure their bitcoins.

 where did you get an idea that i was clueless how it could be that we have 6 mil and moved 7 mil ?!  follow your own advise for starters

I'd wager that his post was directed at the one directly above it, not yours.
newbie
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So the entire float+ of BTC has been moved in the past 24 hours. 
Could this be MT GOX moving its assets periodically from one address to
another to another to another to keep holdings safe?   
This is automated by a large holder, creating moving targets.

why or how else would this happen?
legendary
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You should have used your brain before trying to reply smirky.

Total send doesnt equate to total available.

I can send 1BTC a million times(if there were no delay of course) in a day and it would show 1million BTC transfered.

I just pointed out a fact that huge amounts of coins where moved in last 24hrs. and the reason i think we see this movement because everyone trying to safely secure their bitcoins.

 where did you get an idea that i was clueless how it could be that we have 6 mil and moved 7 mil ?!  follow your own advise for starters
legendary
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You should have used your brain before trying to reply smirky.

Total send doesnt equate to total available.

I can send 1BTC a million times(if there were no delay of course) in a day and it would show 1million BTC transfered.

I think they were rather implying someone's laundering money. I'm not so sure, it seems to me you'd rather avoid regular patterns for that.
hero member
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You should have used your brain before trying to reply smirky.

Total send doesnt equate to total available.

I can send 1BTC a million times(if there were no delay of course) in a day and it would show 1million BTC transfered.
legendary
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Merit: 1005
Bitcoins sent
last 24h 7,668,320.81 BTC

Total BTC   6,562,350 BTC
Yo dawg, I heard you like no taxes in your blockchain...
full member
Activity: 210
Merit: 100
firstbits: 121vnq
seems to be too regular to be anything happening manually.
legendary
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Merit: 1000
other than dark exchanges
I would guess a lot of people moving and securing their coins

last night over 4 million coins were moved in 24hr timeframe

today

Bitcoins sent
last 24h
7,668,320.81 BTC



Total BTC   6,562,350 BTC
legendary
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Merit: 1005


it looks like there's a rough correlation (green lines) with the production of blocks.
Fees reduction algorithm?
legendary
Activity: 2408
Merit: 1121
Update: Seeing the same 9k 'snake trail' pattern again.

Timestamp: 08:14 UTC
full member
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it looks like there's a rough correlation (green lines) with the production of blocks.

true.

but how does a 50 BTC block correlate with a wallet transaction of 9,000 - 75,000 BTC?

Block creation corresponds with transaction confirmations, so it's possible that these assumed traders did swaps of one amount, divided up into 8 or more transactions, then waited for confirmation before continuing on the next set of swaps. I don't know why the sizes are as such, but it's possible that either it's a rounding thing, a cumulative effect of combining wallets before making a transfer, or just an artifact of how bitcoinmonitor.com displays transfers when multiple addresses are involved.

What I mean by "rounding" is as in the following: Say you want to sell 1,987,654 bitcoins. You and the buyer agree to do this with cash or some equivalent in 10 lots of 198,765 bitcoins and then wait for confirmation before continuing. But, rather than send them in one big chunk, you subdivide into round numbers and send transactions of 765, 1000x8, 10,000x9, and 100,000. Once those transactions are confirmed, you start over.

Why do this? Because when trading large amounts of small denominations, it's better to subdivide in case there's an error or some party tries to rip off the other. That way, you're only risking the lot size at any one time. The transaction sizes are just for convenience and ease of bookkeeping, like when you're counting cash in a till and you tally the numbers of each bill size separately.

What I mean by a "cumulative effect" is that it's possible that there was a few trades for, say, 10,000 and the recipient is receiving at multiple addresses and then consolidating these smaller trades at one address. In other words, the trade might have just been in lots of 80,000, but the buyer got 10k BTC, 10K BTC again at another address, and sent this to the first address. Now he has 20k in one spot. The same thing happens when with the next 20k BTC: 3 transactions appear for 10k. This happens until the buyer has all 80k. Then he consolidates these 20k wallets into 40k wallets. And two 40k wallets into one 80k wallet. Then a new block is found and he has confirmation on all these, so he and the seller start on the next lot.

In other words, even though we're seeing like 200k BTC in transfers for each block, it's really just the same 80k.

Or it's a dude who had 50 different wallets for safekeeping, following the "don't put your eggs in one basket" motto, and he's combining his wealth in order to make a trade.

Well, that's all just me guessing, but I hope someone more knowledgeable can come in here and set me straight.
full member
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firstbits: 121vnq
could be some automated scheme by which a big mining pool moved their money to a new wallet every time a block was found for security reasons. find block, payout, move balance.
full member
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in the very-short-term, bitcoins reduce in scarcity as soon as a new block is created.

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