bitcoin no longer in ubuntu as of 14.04?

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Quote from: lawrence18uk on April 28, 2014, 12:07:50 PM

PPA download doesn't work?

Sorry, I'm pretty new, but I followed instructions to get the bitcoin software from the PPA:

sudo add-apt-repository ppa:bitcoin/bitcoin
sudo apt-get update

(both completed OK, but then)

sudo apt-get install bitcoin
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
E: Unable to locate package bitcoin

any ideas? Are we just waiting on Matt Corallo?
Stephen

you must give

sudo apt-get install bitcoin-qt

is not simple bitcoin the package

lawrence18uk

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PPA download doesn't work?

Sorry, I'm pretty new, but I followed instructions to get the bitcoin software from the PPA:

sudo add-apt-repository ppa:bitcoin/bitcoin
sudo apt-get update

(both completed OK, but then)

sudo apt-get install bitcoin
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
E: Unable to locate package bitcoin

any ideas? Are we just waiting on Matt Corallo?
Stephen

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I don't know where all this fuzz is coming from.
In the older versions bitcoin was available but not updated.
So If you are still running bitcoind on 12.04 / 13.10 and didn't compile it from source nor used the bitcoin PPA please check your version Tongue

It should display 0.9.0.1 but I think you are 0.3.2.4 or something.

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What a deeply disappointing decision from Ubuntu!

There should be a familial brotherhood between crypto-currencies and open source movements.
The philosophy behind both share many roots. It is mutually beneficial and logical for the two to support each other. The two need each other.

If anyone influencial in Canonical or Ubuntu is following this post...

Rubbish decision!

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.91 and trusty added!

https://launchpad.net/~bitcoin/+archive/bitcoin/+packages

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Quote from: dooglus on April 19, 2014, 02:24:31 PM

Quote from: dooglus on April 19, 2014, 02:19:25 PM

Debian didn't remove or stop supporting bitcoin-qt, but ubuntu did. This will arguably have taken more work than just leaving it in.

See https://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg07491.html for the likely reason it was removed.

So it becomes an updating issue due to old software releases and a change in the database binaries when it updates to the newest edition
Makes sense from that perspective

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Quote from: themusicgod1 on April 18, 2014, 03:45:28 PM

Quote from: bitpop on April 17, 2014, 04:01:22 AM

Quote from: themusicgod1 on April 17, 2014, 01:45:42 AM

Quote from: bitpop on April 08, 2014, 02:55:00 AM

I've always used the ppa

I'm sure many people do, that's not the point. Ubuntu is one of the largest GNU/Linux distros around, and their average user had access to bitcoin as part of their operating system. It would be as if windows 7 had came with an option to install bitcoin via an optional windows update or something. Today is release day for 14.04, perhaps it's worth reflecting on what we just lost.

Exactly, why would they include Bitcoin? I wouldn't expect anyone to. Not some anonymous os maintainer. I'd rather get it from the ppa and know the guy doing it. You must trust their signing keys.

At least the server version, everything is outdated except the essentials like apache and openssl. If you want secure out of the box you gotta use CentOs for server, they have everything updated. For Desktop i have no idea.

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Quote from: dooglus on April 19, 2014, 02:19:25 PM

But ubuntu universe is pretty much just a snapshot of debian unstable isn't it?

Only at the very beginning of the development cycle of a Ubuntu release are they strictly the same. Then Ubuntu has a development cycle where they break packages. At some point in their process they have a milestone called DebianImportFreeze. From this point on, packages will start to outdate in addtion to being actively broken.

Edit: instead of writing "strictly the same," I should have written "compiled from sources which are stricly the same." While Ubuntu sources packages start as unmodified Debian source packages, they are compiled differently and are binary-incompatible.

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Quote from: dooglus on April 19, 2014, 02:19:25 PM

Debian didn't remove or stop supporting bitcoin-qt, but ubuntu did. This will arguably have taken more work than just leaving it in.

See https://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg07491.html for the likely reason it was removed.

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Quote from: bitpop on April 07, 2014, 10:32:25 AM

It's a lot of work for one guy https://launchpad.net/~bitcoin/+archive/bitcoin

But ubuntu universe is pretty much just a snapshot of debian unstable isn't it?

Debian didn't remove or stop supporting bitcoin-qt, but ubuntu did. This will arguably have taken more work than just leaving it in.

http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs/main/b/bitcoin/bitcoin_0.9.1-1_changelog

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Quote from: bitpop on April 17, 2014, 07:47:03 AM

They put their best people on the kernel, etc. They put a random intern to maintain Bitcoin.

They obviously stopped because they didn't care to maintain it. Our ppa guy can't even keep his updated. Still waiting on .91

I think we can all learn a lesson, especially if you use Linux. Review and build it from source.

Perhaps, but this is not realistic for average users. Most people have no idea what "source" is. They could be coached to installing something off of the ubuntu app marketplace, where bitcoin isn't going to be now, but "build it from source" is utterly beyond them. Same goes for PPAs...that is really pushing the boundaries of what an average ubuntu user is going to know how to do.

Maybe those people need something more safe than the QT client anyway, but still.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on April 17, 2014, 01:47:53 AM

Really Ubuntu comes with Bitcoin QT that's news to me kind of neat though

Came with. That's the whole point. It's not going to anymore

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Quote from: bitpop on April 17, 2014, 04:01:22 AM

Quote from: themusicgod1 on April 17, 2014, 01:45:42 AM

Quote from: bitpop on April 08, 2014, 02:55:00 AM

I've always used the ppa

I'm sure many people do, that's not the point. Ubuntu is one of the largest GNU/Linux distros around, and their average user had access to bitcoin as part of their operating system. It would be as if windows 7 had came with an option to install bitcoin via an optional windows update or something. Today is release day for 14.04, perhaps it's worth reflecting on what we just lost.

Exactly, why would they include Bitcoin? I wouldn't expect anyone to. Not some anonymous os maintainer. I'd rather get it from the ppa and know the guy doing it. You must trust their signing keys.

Because Bitcoin is supposed to be a universal/global payment system. I would expect every serious operating system to support it out of the box, at least to some extent(using the QT client specifically isn't strictly necessary, but at least something for their users to interact with the world financially should be a pretty big must have). It's like having a computer without a web browser...who would even do that? This is 2014, not 1985.

How does Ubuntu manage to keep all their other software secure? We don't seem to have problems with their bundling of Firefox, or GCC ( http://cm.bell-labs.com/who/ken/trust.html ) or even some of the libraries that Bitcoin uses (libc6). Why should Bitcoin-QT be any different?

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The problem with depending on ubuntu for Bitcoin is that it's not their focus and this happens. Don't depend on someone for more than one thing.

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Let me rephrase my previous argument: if you don't trust Ubuntu, don't install a wallet client there at all. Ubuntu maintainers may hide a bug or exploit which enables wallet stealing in any package.

And don't give me crap about it would be found -- it may be found, but as recent experience shows, it may take a long time.

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I would recommend that the average Ubuntu user install via the Bitcoin PPA that is maintained by Core Dev Matt Corallo https://launchpad.net/~bitcoin/+archive/bitcoin

Hardcore / more technical users who want to stay up-to-date faster (because the PPA is not updated automatically) or simply wish to be more paranoid about security should compile locally from source.

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I have ask to ubuntu-developer and they have told me that is better bitcoin-qt τo has own ppa for updates. And at bitcoin channel told me the same. Take a look here

https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2013-December/007597.html

There is no problem in with bitcoin-qt 0.9.0 if you have install ppa package and the distro has upgrade the last bug fix heartbleed version of openssl. The bitcoin-qt package use the openssl version of the distro.

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Recently i had problems to install bitcoin daemon on Ubuntu server 12.04. The default third party repositrory is "launchpad" and i have no idea who they are. I decided to blind trust it anyway instead of building from the sources myself, i needed a apecific version that they would not offer thru' apt-get, they just offer the latest. But i could find the deb package on their site, and use dpkg inestead of apt-get, but then on the next day when i wanted to re-install, it was not there anymore.

Ubuntu totlally sucks for Bitcoin........

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Quote from: coinft on April 17, 2014, 07:43:00 AM

Quote from: bitpop on April 17, 2014, 04:01:22 AM

Quote from: themusicgod1 on April 17, 2014, 01:45:42 AM

Quote from: bitpop on April 08, 2014, 02:55:00 AM

I've always used the ppa

I'm sure many people do, that's not the point. Ubuntu is one of the largest GNU/Linux distros around, and their average user had access to bitcoin as part of their operating system. It would be as if windows 7 had came with an option to install bitcoin via an optional windows update or something. Today is release day for 14.04, perhaps it's worth reflecting on what we just lost.

Exactly, why would they include Bitcoin? I wouldn't expect anyone to. Not some anonymous os maintainer. I'd rather get it from the ppa and know the guy doing it. You must trust their signing keys.

If you do not trust the Ubuntu repository and their maintainers, you shouldn't run a bitcoin client (or anything else sensitive) in Ubuntu regardless of where you get it from, that's a really stupid argument.

Since you already have to trust Ubuntu, trusting additional sources (and you would have to do that for more than just bitcoin) raises the bar considerably, and does not improve your real security.

They put their best people on the kernel, etc. They put a random intern to maintain Bitcoin.

They obviously stopped because they didn't care to maintain it. Our ppa guy can't even keep his updated. Still waiting on .91

I think we can all learn a lesson, especially if you use Linux. Review and build it from source.

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Quote from: bitpop on April 17, 2014, 04:01:22 AM

Quote from: themusicgod1 on April 17, 2014, 01:45:42 AM

Quote from: bitpop on April 08, 2014, 02:55:00 AM

I've always used the ppa

I'm sure many people do, that's not the point. Ubuntu is one of the largest GNU/Linux distros around, and their average user had access to bitcoin as part of their operating system. It would be as if windows 7 had came with an option to install bitcoin via an optional windows update or something. Today is release day for 14.04, perhaps it's worth reflecting on what we just lost.

Exactly, why would they include Bitcoin? I wouldn't expect anyone to. Not some anonymous os maintainer. I'd rather get it from the ppa and know the guy doing it. You must trust their signing keys.

If you do not trust the Ubuntu repository and their maintainers, you shouldn't run a bitcoin client (or anything else sensitive) in Ubuntu regardless of where you get it from, that's a really stupid argument.

Since you already have to trust Ubuntu, trusting additional sources (and you would have to do that for more than just bitcoin) raises the bar considerably, and does not improve your real security.

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