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Topic: Bitcoin on Metatrader 4 Forex Platform... - page 2. (Read 20388 times)

newbie
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October 02, 2013, 12:05:17 PM
#6
Swap rates can make a huge difference and also can vary substantially between brokers. By the way VenetFx does not trade Bitcoin CFDs. What they do is accept accounts denominated in Bitcoin and also accept Bitcoin for deposits and withdrawals. AvaTrade and Plus500 do trade BTC/USD CFD's on accounts denominated in USD, EUR etc. The swap rates between the latter two are very different.

The counterparty to the CFDs is the broker who may typically hedge the trade. This does add certain risks.

By the way it is very easy to loose the entire investment with a Forex broker so it is paramount to be extra careful. To illustrate selling Bticoin short with 10x margin can wipe out an account real quick.

All of these things a very true... Brokers can easily trade against you and it will screw with your mind. You'll think that it's a bad strategy when in reality, there's a device for MT4 brokers called the Virtual Dealer Plugin.... Very evil software that trades against profitable client accounts...  That would be the main thing to worry about with the FX brokers other than margin call (which is usually around 20% for most brokers).  Personally, I develop autotrade bots for Mt4 that work well to combat that....
legendary
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Monero Core Team
October 02, 2013, 10:53:41 AM
#5
Swap rates can make a huge difference and also can vary substantially between brokers. By the way VenetFx does not trade Bitcoin CFDs. What they do is accept accounts denominated in Bitcoin and also accept Bitcoin for deposits and withdrawals. AvaTrade and Plus500 do trade BTC/USD CFD's on accounts denominated in USD, EUR etc. The swap rates between the latter two are very different.

The counterparty to the CFDs is the broker who may typically hedge the trade. This does add certain risks.

By the way it is very easy to loose the entire investment with a Forex broker so it is paramount to be extra careful. To illustrate selling Bticoin short with 10x margin can wipe out an account real quick.
legendary
Activity: 2044
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October 02, 2013, 10:02:44 AM
#4

also who takes the other side of the cfd trade? When do positions roll over? do The contracts expire? What is the swap rate for long short?

If brokers take other side you should expect to see price spikes to hit ur sl or margin call.. forex brokers are one of the worsed at screwing ppl out of their money and claiming they didnt do anything.
legendary
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Monero Core Team
October 02, 2013, 09:55:16 AM
#3
Actually this is a very useful and relevant topic and will become more so. This is particularly true for those of us who have little or no Forex experience but extensive experience with Bitcoin. In my case after two years buying and trading Bitcoin I have opened my first MT4 Forex account yesterday primarily to trade BTC/USD CFDs. This was after two weeks of learning some of the basics of Forex including an introduction to MT4

This raises so many questions such as:
The differences between a BTC/USD CFD and holding the actual Bitcoin including "taking delivery" and the corresponding risks.
How Forex margin accounts work
How to effectively use margin to trade for additional BTC during a rising market.
The opportunity to short BTC.
The fact that Forex brokers are closed during the weekend, while the underlying market is not. This can be critical for dealing with stop losses.

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and last but not least

The impact of large scale Bitcoin CFD trading on the price.

By the way I am not sure this is the best forum for this topic. Maybe Speculation where many of the active traders hang out.
full member
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October 02, 2013, 03:51:59 AM
#2
Thank you but it is not really usefull for most people
newbie
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October 02, 2013, 02:45:32 AM
#1
Hey guys,

Just a reminder that bitcoin trading is now offered by some forex brokers such as Venetfx and Avafx...  This is a great opportunity for all miners and I wanted to offer the help of someone who has over 9 years experience in forex trading and 3 years experience programming automated trading software... If any new users to metatrader 4 need any help or have any questions, please reply to this post or pm me.... Chances are, I'll probably help you for no fee, considering that I've been dreaming for MT4 to utilize BTC as an instrument on the global market.

GO FOR THE GUSTO!!!
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