Bitcoin on The Island of Bali, Indonesia

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Quote from: Wimex on June 28, 2023, 06:58:33 PM

For me it would not be an impediment to travel to a country simply because it does not use or rejects the idea of bitcoin as a method of payment, of course I admit that it would be interesting to travel to one that I frequent a lot, as is the case of the Salvador, I have never been but I have had the desire to visit that site

However, I reiterate that I could go to Bali without any problem.

every country has favorite tourist destinations that tourists want to visit, the majority of tourists who travel to Bali are looking for beautiful beaches while in El Salvador they have more places of worship such as cathedrals as tourist destinations for tourists ^{(there are some beaches too but not so famous)}

i don't feel that the desire to travel should be disturbed by the legality of Bitcoin which is regulated by the government in an area ^{(even if it's a country on the African continent or a city in China)}, just visit your dream place, without being disturbed whether the place accepts bitcoin or not ^{(as payment)}

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For me it would not be an impediment to travel to a country simply because it does not use or rejects the idea of bitcoin as a method of payment, of course I admit that it would be interesting to travel to one that I frequent a lot, as is the case of the Salvador, I have never been but I have had the desire to visit that site

However, I reiterate that I could go to Bali without any problem.

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Quote from: chigo on May 30, 2023, 04:23:22 AM

I don't know whether you have been to Bali or not but Bali is one of the world's tourist destinations, unfortunately Bali still has a governor who is not friendly to bitcoins and cryptocurrencies so he informs every tourist not to use bitcoins as payment.

with rules like this, do you still want to go to bali?

there's really nothing to worry about, we can still transact with cash, right? as long as a place is not a war conflict area then of course we will still visit it.
if we want to visit a place, i don't think it has much effect on us canceling plans to go even though the place is still not Bitcoin friendly. We know that there are still many countries and regions that consider Bitcoin to be an illegal activity and are not fully accepted in every country right?.
Bali is not the only area that has leaders who are not friendly to Bitcoin, and I think if we want to go somewhere then we also have to comply with the rules they have set not to transact with Bitcoin but with cash or local currency.

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Quote from: buwaytress on June 28, 2023, 05:45:35 AM

Something tells me this has quite a bit to do with the recent woes Balinese police have had with certain types of remote workers who've made the island home ever since the pandemic. I was there a month recently and my local friends told me about this nuisance. Tourists are welcome there, for sure, always have been, and despite a high level of tolerance for terrible tourist behavirous, patience appeared to be wearing thin for the new breeds of long-term residents who act like tourists.

Specific nationalities were mentioned actually, but I don't like passing on rumours. However, because I also personally know from work crypto people remote working in Bali, and the kinds of behaviours associated, I feel there is some truth. Problem is, probably isolated incidents with entitled, cruiseship-trawling, cocaine-snorting, crypto brats who do scammy crypto startups from Bali. Giving a bad name to Bitcoin in general.

In any case, no big loss. In all my wanderings around the island, and even in the supposedly glitziest locations out of curiosity, I found just one shop accepting crypto.

Server I asked said she never had a customer request though =)

Bad behavior by tourists (you said above) has made headlines in many local media for several days, in response to this the Indonesian government immediately revoked visa-free from 159 countries (the worst was a pair of tourists who had sex in public places)
I'm sure tourists who go to Bali, from the start, have known what is not allowed and what can be done while they are there, but some traders said that tourists had asked them several times about payments via bitcoin but education about bitcoin to sellers there still no good.

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Something tells me this has quite a bit to do with the recent woes Balinese police have had with certain types of remote workers who've made the island home ever since the pandemic. I was there a month recently and my local friends told me about this nuisance. Tourists are welcome there, for sure, always have been, and despite a high level of tolerance for terrible tourist behavirous, patience appeared to be wearing thin for the new breeds of long-term residents who act like tourists.

Specific nationalities were mentioned actually, but I don't like passing on rumours. However, because I also personally know from work crypto people remote working in Bali, and the kinds of behaviours associated, I feel there is some truth. Problem is, probably isolated incidents with entitled, cruiseship-trawling, cocaine-snorting, crypto brats who do scammy crypto startups from Bali. Giving a bad name to Bitcoin in general.

In any case, no big loss. In all my wanderings around the island, and even in the supposedly glitziest locations out of curiosity, I found just one shop accepting crypto.

Server I asked said she never had a customer request though =)

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It's their government and they have the rights to choose what's good for the people of their country. We cannot enforce them to follow any rules in the name of Technology. Country like Bali is very small and will never make a significant different in adoption of Crypto in the world unless we talk about Big countries like China, India, UK etc.

Also, them not accepting Bitcoin will not change my decision to visit that beautiful island.

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Quote from: Lucius on May 30, 2023, 10:22:59 AM

For those who go on vacation to pay with Bitcoin, there is always El Salvador or Boracay, and probably some other places where Bitcoin is not prohibited. However, if I were to choose my tourist destination, I would also take into account how each government treats its citizens, and whether there are any crazy laws that could land you in jail. Bali with its attitudes and strict laws is definitely not on my list of priorities.

I totally agree with you, the point you highlighted should be the main things to put into considerations before picking a tourist destination. I don't see why the ban on the use of bitcoin as payment be an impediment for Bitcoin enthusiasts not to travel to Bali on vacation. It not a must that one will have to pay for goods and services with Bitcoin. What happens to fiat? One can always trade Bitcoin online to fiat through exchanges or P2P services and load up his/her international debit/credit card which can be use to perform transactions all through his/her stay in Bali.

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I would still wanna go to Bali even with the restrictions on the use of BTC. It doesn't stop me from having them in a wallet somewhere.
Sincerely, there could still be those locals who have BTC assets, after all it is decentralized and unless one makes a significant huge transaction through the local banks, or use the online banking apps to convert the coins to fiat, the government wouldn't notice.

If the government should open its arms to the use of BTC in such a beautiful tourist destination, more businesses and investment would be recorded.
Probably the government is just being wary of those who use decentralized currency for evil deeds and trying to discourage them from visiting Bali.

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Quote from: imamusma on June 23, 2023, 04:44:30 PM

A great alternative for foreign tourists is converting bitcoin and cryptos to fiat. That is one that will keep them out of legal trouble because Indonesia does not legalize bitcoin as a legal tender.

Using fiat currency when you are traveling to a new country is always the most convenient method. I don't know about regulations on Bitcoin in Indonesia but if their government does not prohibit Bitcoin and its transaction as payment method, locals and travelers can use it without legal issues. They don't need Indonesia accept Bitcoin as legal tender to use it for transaction and as a payment method.

Big problems for travelers and locals only exist if the Indonesian government says Bitcoin transaction is illegal and prohibited there.

Cryptocurrency in Indonesia. That article says you can use cryptocurrencies as commodities in Indonesia.

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I think about whether someone wants to go to Bali, it is possible because they have come or heard stories from their relatives about Bali being friendly to tourists, apart from of course the beautiful scenery and customs which are very thick with its culture.
Regarding bitcoin, I think the governor of Bali is not unfriendly to crypto, but because the government of Indonesia [Bali is a region in Indonesia] prohibits the use of bitcoin as a legal transaction tool, so if there was an ATM in the past, it is no longer visible. . but the government doesn't prohibit bitcoin if you want to exchange it first with money that can be accepted there [idr,$], so there's no reason that you can't use bitcoin [crypto].

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Quote from: chigo on June 23, 2023, 02:44:13 AM

Quote from: crypticj on June 22, 2023, 11:40:59 PM

Thailand is very friendly to crypto and even allows people to do crypto business and do crypto meetings. And it's a great decision because it does not affect the government much but makes people happy and richer.

thailand is a great place too but based on Tripadvisor bali is included in the dream place of many world tourists,

If you've been to both countries, you would know that Thailand is the same as Bali, but better. In Bali infrastructure is shit, impossible to safely drive bikes, you can be robbed, no Bitcoin, and the government hates tourists (for some fkn reason), so yeah, they don't want us around.

And I was talking about crypto adoption. Thailand even has its own crypto exchange and I know a guy who has a crypto business (an official one). So yeah, Thailand is winning simply cos government doesn't care about crypto, which is a great thing.

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Quote from: Arenga pinnata on June 22, 2023, 09:14:22 PM

Tourists can still use Bitcoin in Bali. but it's not for direct payment transactions. but tourists can also exchange their Bitcoin first at a Bitcoin ATM machine which has also been on the island of Bali, Indonesia since 2014.

Namely at the Address:
✓(1)Bitcoin ATM in Kuta, Bali – Bitcoin.co.id Information Center, Legian Kaja Street, No. 455 Kuta, Bali Indonesia
✓(2)Bitcoin ATM in Ubud – Hubud, Jalan Monkey Forest 88X, Ubud Gianyar Bali 80571, Indonesia
( Sourch: https://www.finansialku.com/apakah-ada-mesin-atm-bitcoin-di-indonesia/ )

Use the Bitcoin ATM Machine and have fun on the island of Bali.

The article you quoted was published in 2018 when Indonesia still allowed bitcoin ATM machines to operate in Bali. But as far as I know, the bitcoin ATM machine in Bali has been deactivated and is no longer operating.

A great alternative for foreign tourists is converting bitcoin and cryptos to fiat. That is one that will keep them out of legal trouble because Indonesia does not legalize bitcoin as a legal tender. Anonymous payments are possible, but they just can't be made in public like in many other countries as long as both parties agree on the payment instrument.

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Quote from: chigo on May 30, 2023, 04:23:22 AM

with rules like this, do you still want to go to bali?

Why people refrain to go to somewhere else just because they ban the currency that still is not widely spread around the world? Indonesia doesn't allow Bitcoin as any sort of payment method and they just following the rules about that, but still you can use it as investment method just like the others(but it's a different topic). People would still go to Bali because the great scenery and lot of beautiful places in Bali not because Bitcoin.

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Quote from: TelolettOm on June 22, 2023, 06:47:44 PM

Quote from: jossiel on June 22, 2023, 05:15:48 PM

There is nothing people can do if someone who's a high official is against the usage of bitcoin and imposes a law or encourages its citizens and tourists to avoid using it.

The governor of Bali was just doing his job. It is his responsibility to announce that warning to the whole people in Bali, both the citizen and tourists. Well, Indonesian law is against the use of Bitcoin as a payment tool. The governor of Bali can't do anything, he only delivered what the laws state. Since Bali is a part of Indonesia, they must obey the laws as well.

Yeah, that's his job and there's no personal attacks on it. Somehow some of us have become sensitive due to these policies because on our perspective, we see that there's no reason for them to imply such laws.

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Quote from: jossiel on June 22, 2023, 05:15:48 PM

While talking about the connection and ties of Indonesia and Israel, AFAIK, there's really a conflict between the two as Indonesia don't recognize Israel for its sovereignty.

Israel is a colonialist. Indonesia is always against a country that invades another country. Israel steals the land of Palestine, that's why Indonesia never recognizes its sovereignty.

Well, I have nothing to say about this issue. I'll better leave it to each their own and everyone has their own beliefs and views regarding these matters.

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when regulations are made by the local regional government, its citizens also obey the regulations made. so do the tourists who come
if the goal is to take a vacation from the start, with a refusal to pay with btc is not a reason to cancel a vacation in Bali
my opini

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Quote from: Arenga pinnata on June 22, 2023, 09:14:22 PM

Tourists can still use Bitcoin in Bali. but it's not for direct payment transactions. but tourists can also exchange their Bitcoin first at a Bitcoin ATM machine which has also been on the island of Bali, Indonesia since 2014.

Namely at the Address:
✓(1)Bitcoin ATM in Kuta, Bali – Bitcoin.co.id Information Center, Legian Kaja Street, No. 455 Kuta, Bali Indonesia
✓(2)Bitcoin ATM in Ubud – Hubud, Jalan Monkey Forest 88X, Ubud Gianyar Bali 80571, Indonesia
( Sourch: https://www.finansialku.com/apakah-ada-mesin-atm-bitcoin-di-indonesia/ )

Use the Bitcoin ATM Machine and have fun on the island of Bali.

Very valuable information, friends, thank you for sharing and hopefully it will be useful for tourists who want to do (alternative) transactions with bitcoin there.

Quote from: crypticj on June 22, 2023, 11:40:59 PM

Just go to Thailand haha.

Thailand is very friendly to crypto and even allows people to do crypto business and do crypto meetings. And it's a great decision because it does not affect the government much but makes people happy and richer.

thailand is a great place too but based on Tripadvisor bali is included in the dream place of many world tourists,

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The following is the TripAdvisor ranking of the top 10 most popular destinations in the world for 2023:
1. Dubai, United Arab Emirates
2. Bali, Indonesia
3. London, England
4. Rome, Italy
5. Paris, France
6. Cancun, Mexico
7. Crete, Greece
8. Marrakech, Morocco
9. Dominican Republic
10. Istanbul, Türkiye

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The tourism is different part from btc and if they don't accept crypto payments so we should not visit there? What kind of logic is this I don't understand as many places which are attraction centre and destination place which don't accept bitcoin so will they see downfall in tourism industry? If they don't accept it they have their own issues and will regret later on but how many people are actually willing to pay with it travelling to Bali or any other place? The first thing they do is currency exchange for spending in that country but still you can find ways to make crypto payments.

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Quote from: Arenga pinnata on June 22, 2023, 09:14:22 PM

Tourists can still use Bitcoin in Bali. but it's not for direct payment transactions. but tourists can also exchange their Bitcoin first at a Bitcoin ATM machine which has also been on the island of Bali, Indonesia since 2014.

Namely at the Address:
✓(1)Bitcoin ATM in Kuta, Bali – Bitcoin.co.id Information Center, Legian Kaja Street, No. 455 Kuta, Bali Indonesia
✓(2)Bitcoin ATM in Ubud – Hubud, Jalan Monkey Forest 88X, Ubud Gianyar Bali 80571, Indonesia
( Sourch: https://www.finansialku.com/apakah-ada-mesin-atm-bitcoin-di-indonesia/ )

Use the Bitcoin ATM Machine and have fun on the island of Bali.

I think this is the best solution. I live in Indonesia but I didn't realize that there are Bitcoin ATMs in my country. thank you guys for sharing this information. I hope to have experience using a bitcoin ATM. Roll Eyes

but that means I have to take a vacation to Bali first And my location and Bali is very different. I may have to take two flights to get there.

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Just go to Thailand haha.

Thailand is very friendly to crypto and even allows people to do crypto business and do crypto meetings. And it's a great decision because it does not affect the government much but makes people happy and richer.

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Tourists can still use Bitcoin in Bali. but it's not for direct payment transactions. but tourists can also exchange their Bitcoin first at a Bitcoin ATM machine which has also been on the island of Bali, Indonesia since 2014.

Namely at the Address:
✓(1)Bitcoin ATM in Kuta, Bali – Bitcoin.co.id Information Center, Legian Kaja Street, No. 455 Kuta, Bali Indonesia
✓(2)Bitcoin ATM in Ubud – Hubud, Jalan Monkey Forest 88X, Ubud Gianyar Bali 80571, Indonesia
( Sourch: https://www.finansialku.com/apakah-ada-mesin-atm-bitcoin-di-indonesia/ )

Use the Bitcoin ATM Machine and have fun on the island of Bali.

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