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Quote from: pawanjain on September 24, 2022, 09:53:08 AM

<…> upon doing the whois lookup it is showing that netcoin was last registered on 2010-05-05. <…>

That’s been driving me nuts for a while now. Apparently, @Or Weinberger got his snapshot through a paid subscription to domaintools, where one can retrieve a record of the changes to the domain’s info (see https://twitter.com/orweinberger/status/1573337271394254850?cxt=HHwWhICy1bL6ztUrAAAA)

If we look at the tool, the page that would render us the history of changes should be this one:
https://domainreport.domaintools.com/netcoin.org

Now if we haven’t got a paid subscription, nor decide to pay the 49$ asked for the report, at least we can see that the page indicates that it bears historical data for 14 years, starting Aug 18, 2008, which is the key date that we can’t seem to find on current who is or alike.

Cointelegraph’s article indicates that:

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The Netcoin.org domain was later deleted and re-registered to a subsidiary of Web.com in 2010.

I’m not fluent with the details behind domains, but I guess that the above justifies the date being misleading to the story in current who is scans.

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Interesting facts I never have noticed. Definitely, the name becomes popular in the crypto space. But if I had the chance to choose then I would choose netcoin instead of Bitcoin. Don't get me wrong, it's just the name, not the blockchain or technology. It must exist the same. I know most of you will disagree with me, but that's what I choose. Then netcoin would popular like now, but who knows what was Satoshi's mind? But I am pretty sure he rejects Netcoin and choose Bitcoin which is the most popular name nowadays.

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We have seen nothing to confirm Satoshi's interest in using the netcoin name, but also nothing to rule it out. It is possible that there was a project that never left the planning stages, or that was abandoned after being fully developed. However, without additional evidence, Satoshi's possible intentions will ultimately remain a mystery.

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To be honest, there is a massive difference between the meaning of Bitcoin and Netcoin.
Netcoin sounds like a marketing tactic to divert some attention on the internet but at the same time I remember that the support for Netscape, one of the most famous web browser, was canceled in 2008. Also, there is one thing that makes me think twice and it's Javascript. Javascript was made for Netscape and the name Java inside it was Netscape's marketing tactic. Probably, Satoshi analyzed that people would see it as a product of Netscape and the drowning of Netscape and the possible association of Netcoin being a product of Netscape, would probably be a bad choice in 2008.
Maybe this sounds like a conspiracy but there is a logic behind this. What seems here strange is that things changed in a day.

Bitcoin on another hand, sounds like there is a very deep meaning in this name and actually there is. Bit means Binary Digit, which is a native counting system for computers because it has two symbols, 0 and 1 and is the easiest counting system. The whole mechanism of action of a computer is based on 0 and 1, bit is the origin of everything in the computer, bit is a life, bitcoin is the origin of digital coins.

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Bitcoin.org, the website domain linked to the original Bitcoin, was created on Aug. 18, 2008, under AnonymousSpeech, a service in Japan that allowed users to buy domain names anonymously. Domain purchases under AnonymousSpeech around similar timelines revealed the creation of Netcoin.org on Aug. 17, 2008 — just a day prior to the creation of Bitcoin.org.

source: https://cointelegraph.com/news/bitcoin-was-almost-named-netcoin-by-satoshi-nakamoto-hints-domain-data

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Oh wow, I've never heard of it. I love the name 'Bitcoin', and I feel like it's a bit easier to pronounce and to remember. I am happy it's not Netcoin, to be honest, even though perhaps the name itself makes more sense because 'net' is probably a part of 'network'. Then again, I'm sure that if it's been Netcoin all along, we wouldn't have questioned it or felt like it was bad in any way.
I wonder how I've never heard of this before and how, it seems, it only became common knowledge now, 14 years later... Makes me think what other little things we don't know about Bitcoin and Satoshi but might learn along the way.

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Don't think he was fumbling for a name on the penultimate day.

Used to do domain hunting/buying back when it was really cheap and easy to do (mid to late 90s). Can easily see how a "same registrar" could be used to buy all kinds of domains.

You get suggested all kinds of names, bundles, free domains even (yeah until at least mid 2000s domains were even free if you signed up for web hosting supported by GeoCities style ad placements all over the place), can't remember the name of it but I had dozens of sites just signed up for free using that service. A main site, then many others with similar names because well, I thought they were cool to have.

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Quote from: Symmetrick on September 23, 2022, 05:55:24 PM

Today, information appeared that Satoshi Nakamoto, presumably, could call bitcoin a little differently:

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Judging by this find, it is possible that Satoshi chose between the names "netcoin" and "bitcoin", but chose the second option, or he prepared absolutely two projects, but the first one was not released at all. What other options do you allow?

After all these years, it is interesting to find out there was an alternative name to bitcoin but truly bitcoin is the name we all needed.
I think no other name would have made it better than bitcoin. Satoshi is truly a genius.

Also, upon doing the whois lookup it is showing that netcoin was last registered on 2010-05-05.
It may also mean that Satoshi eventually gave up the domain and someone else bought it.
Or may be Satoshi himself bought it again with some other account. Also, netcoin.org is going to expire next year.

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Quote from: adzino on September 24, 2022, 08:43:20 AM

Maybe the first one was a typo? B replaced with N while typing..?

If the first one were a typo, we would call it Betcoin and that could mean a coin for gambling Grin

But Satoshi chooses the right name for his project and we know it is Bitcoin. Getting a name that can be like a brand for the project is not easy but he did the right thing.

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Bitcoin sounds better now because people are already familiar with the name, perhaps if netcoin was the first choice it will still sound like the right name.
As intelligent as satoshi is am pretty sure he already knew the name bitcoin was perfect for the first project but I would have love to see how the netcoin would have performed assuming he went through with it. Who knows it might have been another successful one like bitcoin.

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Everyone here saying that bitcoin was a better choice when naming would have said that netcoin was a better choice if the name of the currency was netcoin today. People are so used to the word bitcoin, if any other name was chosen, it would sound weird to the people.

Maybe the first one was a typo? B replaced with N while typing..?

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Bitcoin is better name. We have experience in naming and Bitcoin really describe the goal of it.

What goal does the name "describe"?

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Bitcoin was a right choice. The name Netcoin sounds familiar. And it's not compatible with blockchain. Bitcoin was a unique name which is compatible with blockchain and sound soo cool. Choosing the name Bitcoin was a brilliant move. In the case of netcoin, things did not go well. i support bitcoin name which is already choice Satoshi at the time of creating Bitcoin.

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Looks like satoshi was thinking hard to choose between the two. Bitcoin is indeed a more comprehensive name for computing devices, and perhaps satoshi's main hope is that bitcoin in the future can be scaled up not only by relying on an internet network that is easily controlled by providers.

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Wow, great find. Little info but it's great to know such information and it's likely that satoshi was really thinking about what should be the name of his project release.
Just as everyone is saying, he chose the right now and we're all happy with bitcoin. What I'm impressed with is that he's got it ready and prepared it well and he's just on the verge of choosing which is going to be the name of this great piece of invention he's made.

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Quote from: romero121 on September 24, 2022, 02:01:20 AM

From the very beginning if bitnet have been used to describe the network and bitcoin for the currency means this could've been better and people used to it. Now if we think of such a term it feels different and sounds like doesn't make a connect.

I have no idea if it would've been better or worse, but it was just my personal preference(and I think some would agree as well). It's pretty much just a better naming convention thing when talking about programming and technical stuff, as differentiating 2 very different things(network and currency) by the capitalization of the first letter is simply just a bad practice.

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the creation of Netcoin.org on August 17, 2008 and Bitcoin.org, created on August 18, 2008 just a day before the creation of Bitcoin.org.
indeed to make a good name is often one of the most challenging decisions one has to make when launching a new service or business, and Satoshi Nakamoto chose the proper name Bitcoin even though it was the second name after Netcoin was created the day before. https://cointelegraph.com/news/bitcoin-was-almost-named-netcoin-by-satoshi-nakamoto-hints-domain-data

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Quote from: johnsaributua on September 23, 2022, 06:21:02 PM

apparently not *,* the name of bitcoin is easier to remember and simple to say, although its function is more important than a name

You can probably say that now because Satoshi went with the name bitcoin, and that's the one we've been using since they created their project, if they had selected "netcoin" rather, and this news had come out about 13 years later, you would say the same thing in favor of netcoin. Neither of them is difficult to remember or say.

Quote from: 348Judah on September 24, 2022, 03:27:47 AM

Well said, this actually could be an interesting research made upon but how are we going to know that this actually is from Satoshi decision or not, having the two names almost the same time doesn't give enough reasons that it maybe from Satoshi because things happens coincidentally also atimes

The records show it was a single person that purchased the two domains, and Satoshi was the person who released one of the domains to the public.

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Quote from: Symmetrick on September 23, 2022, 05:55:24 PM

Judging by this find, it is possible that Satoshi chose between the names "netcoin" and "bitcoin", but chose the second option, or he prepared absolutely two projects, but the first one was not released at all.

I don't think satoshi worked on a different project. He was probably just unsure about how to call the creation and that's why he registered two different domains. It seems unlikely that the person or group that though of something as good as Bitcoin would also work on a different project that was abandoned for whatever reason, and there is absolutely no mentions of it anywhere.

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Quote from: Symmetrick on September 23, 2022, 05:55:24 PM

Today, information appeared that Satoshi Nakamoto, presumably, could call bitcoin a little differently:

Judging by this find, it is possible that Satoshi chose between the names "netcoin" and "bitcoin", but chose the second option, or he prepared absolutely two projects, but the first one was not released at all. What other options do you allow?

Well said, this actually could be an interesting research made upon but how are we going to know that this actually is from Satoshi decision or not, having the two names almost the same time doesn't give enough reasons that it maybe from Satoshi because things happens coincidentally also atimes, but if this isn't coming out from Satoshi himself or the whitepaper made then i think it's better to discard such, but also, am well pleased with this kind of research and findings that it may be actually the fact we all don't know, even though it lack the enough proofs to the fact.

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While I do understand a developer may have difficulties to find the best name for his product, I also tend to agree with @pooya87 that some of his work should have been already done at that date.

But it's not so difficult to change even such late from one name to another, since the nothing was released publicly yet at that date (please correct me if I'm wrong).
So I think that it's probably the last two name candidates, not different "products".

From the dates I could even conclude that he first thought of Netcoin name and next day he got the idea of Bitcoin name.

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