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Topic: Bitcoin Pizza Day - Why old members are no longer active here (Read 943 times)

sr. member
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Hi All

So yesterday, I was reading about this Bitcoin Pizza day on Cointelegraph and then I saw this link. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1195

I am aware about this Pizza Day for past 2 years, but only yesterday I came to know that Laszlo had posted this legendary offer on Bitcointalk. I always thought he posted it on either his social media page or some random forum.

Anyways, while reading through comments made on this topic, I noticed a strange thing. Most members who posted at that time are no longer active on Bitcointalk. Many were last seen years ago. Even Laszlo isn't, even though he has somewhat of a celebrity status in Bitcoin community. Many even credit his sacrifice of Bitcoins as the main reason for Bitcoin's current price.
 
And it's not that he has gone anonymous or so, because recently ledger launched limited edition Nano S, themed on Bitcoin Pizza Day and Laszlo gave the permission to do so. https://www.ledger.fr/2018/05/22/bitcoin-pizza-day-ledger-nano-s-limited-edition/
**Does anyone know what happened of the guy (jercos) who actually provided the pizzas for Bitcoin? He/she was equally important in this milestone.

But what I am curious about, especially from the old members here; that why the early adopters of Bitcoin and then active members of Bitcointalk have gone inactive now. Is it because they are bitter about not holding to their Bitcoins and selling it for a few Dollars or because they have found better platforms to discuss Bitcoin. Or maybe that they made quite a fortune and don't care anymore. I read that even Vitalik was an active user here, but again he has also become totally inactive on Bitcointalk. So why this trend?



old bitcoin developers have already spent their old coins and are now advertising their new coins, into the market, this will never stop so dont even wonder.
hero member
Activity: 1078
Merit: 514
I think old members concentrated on trading and they do not need the forum so much to hear news and chat with others, because of there appeared a lot of sites about crypto currencies and all social networks have specialized groups.
legendary
Activity: 2156
Merit: 1393
You lead and I'll watch you walk away.
It’s not just one thing that caused the old timers to leave.

I would like to see a percentage study of why people left here. That would tell us the main reason and perhaps that one thing could be changed. Unfortunately, there is no one left around that does that sort of study anymore.

People that left the forum because of:

Spammers like sig campaign members posting one liners (discussion quality) =?%
Disagreements over forum operations like Goat =?%
Banned over disagreements with forum staff like MnW or MPOE-PR =?%
Respected members turned scammers like DnT or TradeFortress =?%
Respected members that lost credibly like Andresen or Zhou Tong =?%
The Silk Road scandal because of fear over their outspoken drug connection like MysteryMiner =?%
Were arrested and discredited like Shrem, Magical Tux and most of the early mining equipment manufacturers =?%
People who closed up businesses that ran their course like slush, Tycho or Jered Kenna =?%
Believe it’s more respectable to distance themselves from this forum like Tony Gallippi =?%
People that lost faith in bitcoin because their coins were scammed away from them = ?%
People that sold all for a massive profit and left =?%
Intellectuals that are beyond being stimulated by this forum like organofcorti or Meni Rosenfeld =?%
People with personal lives that take them away for years but end up returning like that johnthedong guy =?%


These are all the possible reasons that could have made oldies leave the forum. I liked the way you mentioned names with reasons. You must have been very active back then.

The percentages doesn't matter much, but what matters is that they are no more here to guide us or inspire new people. Guess that's how the world runs. People find new opportunities and they move on.

I don’t know if it’s ALL of the reasons but it is all of the reasons I witnessed. I was very active back then for the only reason that I didn’t mention - cryptocurrency was trendy, edgy, cool and it was fun watching it unfold.

At the expense of seeming like one of those “old guys” romanticizing their youth, I’ll tell you the feeling bitcoin had in the beginning. I went to one of the very first bitcoin conventions held at the Hotel Kabuki off Fillmore (San Francisco’s Japantown district). I lived down the street at the time so it wasn’t hard to get there. I’m a horrible gate crasher (have been ever since I saw Led Zepplin play for free in Oakland in 1977 and began wondering why I ever paid). So, as a gate crasher I just walked in to the convention and shook hands with Tony Gallippi, Jered Kenna, and a host of the other power players of the early days. The excitement and energy in every conference room was electric and contagious. You literally felt like you were watching a historical moment that rivaled any in history. I’ve been to many conventions since and none were as awe inspiring and magical as that one. The next closest one was probably at the San Jose convention center where I met Erik Voorhees for the first time.

The trendy, edgy, cool has left bitcoin at this point and those exciting energy filled people left at the same time. To it’s current users, bitcoin is no longer this world changing creation poised to destroy the financial stranglehold of big banking and government. Corporations, venture capitalists, profiteers, scammers, and all sorts of creatures of the night have taken over bitcoin. That initial energy has given way to business and profit. It’s been as sad to watch as it was to watch egalitarian hippies turn into well paid yuppies. I suppose it’s the natural progression that was always destined to happen.
sr. member
Activity: 952
Merit: 284
In love with Bitcoin!! 💓💕
It’s not just one thing that caused the old timers to leave.

I would like to see a percentage study of why people left here. That would tell us the main reason and perhaps that one thing could be changed. Unfortunately, there is no one left around that does that sort of study anymore.

People that left the forum because of:

Spammers like sig campaign members posting one liners (discussion quality) =?%
Disagreements over forum operations like Goat =?%
Banned over disagreements with forum staff like MnW or MPOE-PR =?%
Respected members turned scammers like DnT or TradeFortress =?%
Respected members that lost credibly like Andresen or Zhou Tong =?%
The Silk Road scandal because of fear over their outspoken drug connection like MysteryMiner =?%
Were arrested and discredited like Shrem, Magical Tux and most of the early mining equipment manufacturers =?%
People who closed up businesses that ran their course like slush, Tycho or Jered Kenna =?%
Believe it’s more respectable to distance themselves from this forum like Tony Gallippi =?%
People that lost faith in bitcoin because their coins were scammed away from them = ?%
People that sold all for a massive profit and left =?%
Intellectuals that are beyond being stimulated by this forum like organofcorti or Meni Rosenfeld =?%
People with personal lives that take them away for years but end up returning like that johnthedong guy =?%


These are all the possible reasons that could have made oldies leave the forum. I liked the way you mentioned names with reasons. You must have been very active back then.

The percentages doesn't matter much, but what matters is that they are no more here to guide us or inspire new people. Guess that's how the world runs. People find new opportunities and they move on.
member
Activity: 336
Merit: 42
Many people left because the forum is overrun by spammers.

We agree on the major reason is spam that is number 1 reason why old member feel it's a waste of time being here and it has been discussed gazillion times.

But there are many other small reasons which are causing seniors to leave this forum:

1. Lack of innovation
2. Lack of Management Involvement
3. Focus of discussion is diverted
4. bitcointalk is money making platform

If I may add, I think one of the small reasons is the attitude of some users.  Some users are so negative and easily judge someone else's ideas instead of helping the person improve his/her ideas.

When you are posting something that you learn or any insights that you have and desiring for a decent discussion to have on your thread but critiques will spam you of rude remarks - this will discourage the user to post again innovative ideas that will challenge the current status quo.
member
Activity: 232
Merit: 11
Not all old members are inactive. Some just doesn't think that the forum will boom and some optimists thought that the forum is a window to many things. Yet as time goes by, forum boomed to the wrong place and reach people who thought of forum as a money making machine and not a way to socialize with others with regards to certain topics. Some old members are onto tradings now and investing, they see forum as it really was, not as the shitposters, spammers, and scammers wanted the forum to be - windows to their wealth.

Sometimes I am also tired to post because who the hell wanted to reply on threads that already have alot of shit nonsense comments, and topics that are already asked.
copper member
Activity: 2856
Merit: 3071
https://bit.ly/387FXHi lightning theory
perfect example being Shorena/Mexxer-2.

I think they're both still here aren't they?
When I started, Mexxer-2 wasn't posting so much it was only about 2016 I think when I started noticing their posts/name.
Shorena also was involved quite heavily in the technical discussion board but I think DannyHammilton took over from them along with a few others (hcp, tryninja, thirdspace - and I when I found an empty thread).
legendary
Activity: 1988
Merit: 1317
Get your game girl
If the old timers are no longer using this forum, there must be a forum where they are still active... hmmm could it be reddit? (or have they been overrun by spammers as well?)
Seems the spammers are everywhere.... folks who post random stuff like they own the internet. spammers really clog the system. honestly!
Reddit? No way! Reddit is filled with half ass knowledge kids who live in a dream that BCH will be the next yet perfect version of bitcoin that ever existed. I'm not very sure of old members but I know some good posters who I used to look up to when I was a newbie aren't active anymore. A perfect example being Shorena/Mexxer-2.

Others who used to participate in discussions have just stopped posting or have engaged themselves with their services on bitcointalk.
newbie
Activity: 25
Merit: 0
If the old timers are no longer using this forum, there must be a forum where they are still active... hmmm could it be reddit? (or have they been overrun by spammers as well?)
Seems the spammers are everywhere.... folks who post random stuff like they own the internet. spammers really clog the system. honestly!
copper member
Activity: 630
Merit: 420
We are Bitcoin!
It only takes a minute or two to make that kind of post because I watched all that stuff happening. Old time members have been bailing out here for 5 or more years because of all sorts of reasons. Glad you enjoyed it. LOL
I DID! Yes, I understand now - it's the old timers advantages  Cheesy
full member
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I would say it's partially because of the spam.  But I believe the real reason is that they are very wealthy and out enjoying their lives doing more important things than spending time on this forum O.O
qwk
donator
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Shitcoin Minimalist
why the early adopters of Bitcoin and then active members of Bitcointalk have gone inactive now
Many reasons, but one is old as time the internet:
Eternal September or the September that never ended is Usenet slang for a period beginning in September 1993, the month that Internet service provider America Online began offering Usenet access to its many users, overwhelming the existing culture for online forums. The influx in Usenet users was also indirectly caused by the aggressive direct mailing campaign by AOL Chief Marketing Officer Jan Brandt in order to beat out CompuServe and Prodigy, which most notably involved distributing millions of floppy disks and CD-ROMs with free trials of AOL.

Before then, Usenet was largely restricted to colleges and universities. Every September, a large number of incoming freshmen would acquire access to Usenet for the first time, taking time to become accustomed to Usenet's standards of conduct and "netiquette". After a month or so, these new users would either learn to comply with the networks' social norms or tire of using the service.

Whereas the regular September freshman influx would quickly settle down, the influx of new users from AOL did not end, and Usenet's existing culture did not have the capacity to integrate the sheer number of new users following September 1993. Since then, the popularity of the Internet has brought on a constant stream of new users and thus, from the point of view of the pre-1993 Usenet users, the influx of new users in September 1993 never ended.
legendary
Activity: 2156
Merit: 1393
You lead and I'll watch you walk away.
People that left the forum because of:

Spammers like sig campaign members posting one liners (discussion quality) =?%
Disagreements over forum operations like Goat =?%
Banned over disagreements with forum staff like MnW or MPOE-PR =?%
Respected members turned scammers like DnT or TradeFortress =?%
Respected members that lost credibly like Andresen or Zhou Tong =?%
The Silk Road scandal because of fear over their outspoken drug connection like MysteryMiner =?%
Were arrested and discredited like Shrem, Magical Tux and most of the early mining equipment manufacturers =?%
People who closed up businesses that ran their course like slush, Tycho or Jered Kenna =?%
Believe it’s more respectable to distance themselves from this forum like Tony Gallippi =?%
People that lost faith in bitcoin because their coins were scammed away from them = ?%
People that sold all for a massive profit and left =?%
Intellectuals that are beyond being stimulated by this forum like organofcorti or Meni Rosenfeld =?%
People with personal lives that take them away for years but end up returning like that johnthedong guy =?%
I wonder how did you came up with all these perimeters for a report? How long did it take to construct this post if you don't mind to ask?  Smiley

Simply awesome to read. Wish there were these values for the % too.

It only takes a minute or two to make that kind of post because I watched all that stuff happening. Old time members have been bailing out here for 5 or more years because of all sorts of reasons. Glad you enjoyed it. LOL
copper member
Activity: 630
Merit: 420
We are Bitcoin!
People that left the forum because of:

Spammers like sig campaign members posting one liners (discussion quality) =?%
Disagreements over forum operations like Goat =?%
Banned over disagreements with forum staff like MnW or MPOE-PR =?%
Respected members turned scammers like DnT or TradeFortress =?%
Respected members that lost credibly like Andresen or Zhou Tong =?%
The Silk Road scandal because of fear over their outspoken drug connection like MysteryMiner =?%
Were arrested and discredited like Shrem, Magical Tux and most of the early mining equipment manufacturers =?%
People who closed up businesses that ran their course like slush, Tycho or Jered Kenna =?%
Believe it’s more respectable to distance themselves from this forum like Tony Gallippi =?%
People that lost faith in bitcoin because their coins were scammed away from them = ?%
People that sold all for a massive profit and left =?%
Intellectuals that are beyond being stimulated by this forum like organofcorti or Meni Rosenfeld =?%
People with personal lives that take them away for years but end up returning like that johnthedong guy =?%
I wonder how did you came up with all these perimeters for a report? How long did it take to construct this post if you don't mind to ask?  Smiley

Simply awesome to read. Wish there were these values for the % too.
legendary
Activity: 2156
Merit: 1393
You lead and I'll watch you walk away.
It’s not just one thing that caused the old timers to leave.

I would like to see a percentage study of why people left here. That would tell us the main reason and perhaps that one thing could be changed. Unfortunately, there is no one left around that does that sort of study anymore.

People that left the forum because of:

Spammers like sig campaign members posting one liners (discussion quality) =?%
Disagreements over forum operations like Goat =?%
Banned over disagreements with forum staff like MnW or MPOE-PR =?%
Respected members turned scammers like DnT or TradeFortress =?%
Respected members that lost credibly like Andresen or Zhou Tong =?%
The Silk Road scandal because of fear over their outspoken drug connection like MysteryMiner =?%
Were arrested and discredited like Shrem, Magical Tux and most of the early mining equipment manufacturers =?%
People who closed up businesses that ran their course like slush, Tycho or Jered Kenna =?%
Believe it’s more respectable to distance themselves from this forum like Tony Gallippi =?%
People that lost faith in bitcoin because their coins were scammed away from them = ?%
People that sold all for a massive profit and left =?%
Intellectuals that are beyond being stimulated by this forum like organofcorti or Meni Rosenfeld =?%
People with personal lives that take them away for years but end up returning like that johnthedong guy =?%

newbie
Activity: 154
Merit: 0
The cryptoworld is growing very fast and a lot of projects are coming up on daily basis,I guess they are tied up in some projects.It is hard to keep up with pace on all fronts
jr. member
Activity: 33
Merit: 2
Here are some reasons I can think of:

1) They found better alternatives or earning  opportunities. I am not saying that this forum is not useful but it is natural. I started with a local forum, they also used to reward users for contributing posts in different ways. But with time, I found better opportunities and I rarely visit that forum.

2) Spam can also be the reason. It is hard to find out genuine replies for a thread even after this merit system.

3) They might not be happy with the forum staff or how they mangae things here.

Exact reason only someone friend with that specific user can tell.
copper member
Activity: 630
Merit: 420
We are Bitcoin!
...you have to read through them all...

I never cared reading them seriously ever LOL

Yes this would be good but you'd also have to be able to include a way to tag someone and people might spam it also and one might get a lot of notifications when they are unnecessary.
A coin will always have its head and tail. Similar way, there will be always good and bad way of applying a feature. Just take merit system as example. Abusers are abusing publicly or non-publicly but there are good people as well who are using it as a tool to improve the forum experience. IMO, the number of these good people are larger than the abusers which makes the system even more beautiful. We just need to live with the good side of a system/module.
copper member
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Merit: 3071
https://bit.ly/387FXHi lightning theory
Facebook is now too much with monetizing data that's where it is going
wrong IMO.
I get that, it's even more annoying with GDPR now that means all the terms and conditions have been rewritten and you have to read through them all (OK, I love a good contract so that wasn't actually so bad, but it just makes stuff you previously agreed to more obvious).

I am not sure if everyone is facing this problem or not... it takes longer time to load the contents on FB now a days especially when I use it from my computer.
Yes.
Sometimes my laptop crashes when trying to load faceook also (or it doesn't load the list on the right - or sync it often).

Anyway my point was adding some features like: receive notification when someone mentioning your username, a follow button or something that will enable your to receive notifications when your favorite user create a topic or post a comment etc. Some new features for better user experience.

Yes, I do like the merit feature and I am sure there are a lot of people like me who finds extra energy to do more because their work gets recognized.
Yes this would be good but you'd also have to be able to include a way to tag someone and people might spam it also and one might get a lot of notifications when they are unnecessary.

Who has a lot of money, why should he sit on this forum? Who has the high-level knowledge, is engaged in business, and not posting unnecessary messages.

I'm here mostly to learn. Sure, I get paid by my signature and I might not be here as often (might only come here a few times a week instead) if I didn't but the main reason you should be here is knowledge. Everyone who has Bitcoin should want it to be adopted more because then the value of their Bitcoin increases if there is a greater demand for its purchase.
copper member
Activity: 630
Merit: 420
We are Bitcoin!
Who has a lot of money, why should he sit on this forum? Who has the high-level knowledge, is engaged in business, and not posting unnecessary messages.
Why do you think like that? I bet there are people who love spending time in the forum, they do not count the money.
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