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Quote from: harbs23 on May 06, 2018, 12:39:45 AM

In my observation in bitcoin price !!
I think the WHALES are the manipulators of shifting price of bitcoin and alt coins
Why?
Because whales are buying huge amount of coin, in this case there will be a sharp rise in prices and also because of this demand will increase and many investors will be able to invest, so the outcome is,WHALES had a large profit on their money or capital, i think this is why the alternative currency increases.
and after they buy it they will sell their coins that will cause a sudden fall in its price of alt coins.

therefore we must always be on time to make decisions. such as when we go in to buy and when we go out to sell every investment we have

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Quote from: batang_bitcoin on May 06, 2018, 12:31:33 PM

But this makes sense that there is something behind these price ups and downs. They don't want to let it land at $10k so that they can buy more bitcoin. We don't have to worry about as these whales also wanted to see bitcoin stays at high prices soon. Holding makes sense during these times.

I'm also thinking that they might be external forces that don't want bitcoin to reach $10K. How close we are yesterday? The last time I checked its about $9950 and I go to sleep thinking that tomorrow will be a new day, and seeing $10K again. But to my surprise it started to decline and continue to $9500.

So close mate, damn so close. Grin

But it looks like it is starting to rise again and hopefully this 2nd wave will be the phase that will allow bitcoin hit $10k. I know that feeling and I've been travelling all day long and as I go home, the price went down but this didn't made me upset. It can be another wave of dip so let's see if it can reach to 3rd wave or so forth until it gets serious to $10k and gets stable there.

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Are you really just getting to know this? There are whales in every market due to their huge positions and they are referred to as the main market makers. That is their life and that is how they make shit loads of money and the idea is to always use market movement to instigate trader and investors reaction in the market for their own gains which we have seen several times, but it is a normal thing.

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Quote from: batang_bitcoin on May 06, 2018, 12:31:33 PM

Again we are getting through another correction so don't expect that the price will just increase in an unstoppable manner.

Yes everyone should bare in mind that we can't go on a parabolic rise.

Quote from: batang_bitcoin on May 06, 2018, 12:31:33 PM

But this makes sense that there is something behind these price ups and downs. They don't want to let it land at $10k so that they can buy more bitcoin. We don't have to worry about as these whales also wanted to see bitcoin stays at high prices soon. Holding makes sense during these times.

I'm also thinking that they might be external forces that don't want bitcoin to reach $10K. How close we are yesterday? The last time I checked its about $9950 and I go to sleep thinking that tomorrow will be a new day, and seeing $10K again. But to my surprise it started to decline and continue to $9500.

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Again we are getting through another correction so don't expect that the price will just increase in an unstoppable manner.

But this makes sense that there is something behind these price ups and downs. They don't want to let it land at $10k so that they can buy more bitcoin. We don't have to worry about as these whales also wanted to see bitcoin stays at high prices soon. Holding makes sense during these times.

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It's not just whales there are the P&D groups which can manipulate the price but for bitcoin to its capitalization and daily volume? from small-time groups and whales, we can easily recover if the whale is like the Mt.gox dumper then we can speak about this manipulation and price crashes that's why people monitor their own wallets for the bitcoin's movement and trading.

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you are talking about two very different things here.
- one is the altcoin pump and dumps that is done by whales. this is a normal thing and has been going on forever. and will continue to happen since the only usage for altcons is exactly that! this has nothing to do with bitcoin manipulation though!

- the other thing is the manipulation of bitcoin price by the whales. for this you have to know that the trend is not as you think. it is not a pump and dump, not anymore for years now.the market has grown a lot and there are a lot of different whales in bitcoin and they are forming different groups wanting the price to go in a different direction. then there is also the natural market movements. so the total of this is shaping the price. but a whale is still a big player and can affect the price but not as much as a whale can affect an altcoin price because there is nothing going on in the altcoins apart from pumping and everyone is waiting for that pump to come nothing else.!

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many examples of price manipulation simply because the market is so fragile for a variety of crypto hidden, Manipulation is done in general who usually do trades that really do not have the bitcoin they use.

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Richers getn richer. Nothing can change that. Bitcoin was a big hope to enslave the world. But it only transfers wealth to others. Greed will always exist, nothing can change that.

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The conspiracy is very true, there are whales that gather and attempt to modify the price with their big order books. Mostly what they do is the classic strategies:

-Fake big order of sells or buys to incentivize noobs into falling for it
-Short squeezing
-Actual pumping/dumping

The ones that are at the top of the chain and control the media, use it to spread news and get the narrative in the direction that better fits their agenda.

The only way to win against them is to buy and hold. No matter what they do:

1) Bitcoin is immutable: total 21 million coin limit remains
2) Bitcoin's desirable qualities therefore not change

They just want your coins, that's all.

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Quote from: harbs23 on May 06, 2018, 12:39:45 AM

In my observation in bitcoin price !!
I think the WHALES are the manipulators of shifting price of bitcoin and alt coins
Why?
Because whales are buying huge amount of coin, in this case there will be a sharp rise in prices and also because of this demand will increase and many investors will be able to invest, so the outcome is,WHALES had a large profit on their money or capital, i think this is why the alternative currency increases.
and after they buy it they will sell their coins that will cause a sudden fall in its price of alt coins.

And where exactly have you pbserved this trend? The theory is old, it is sound usually, but most people who repeat the theory actually haven't seen evidence themselves.

Whales buying price up, whales selling price down. If this were the straightforward case, wouldn't we just be seeing Mt Gox trustee levels of selling and buying every few months?

Lesson about Bitcoin price: all the theories come after the fact. No one can still pin down the exact reasons driving price movement.

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Cryptocurrencies are growing because they want to buy more than willing to sell. Therefore, you have to buy at higher prices.

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Quote from: harbs23 on May 06, 2018, 12:39:45 AM

In my observation in bitcoin price !!
I think the WHALES are the manipulators of shifting price of bitcoin and alt coins
Why?
Because whales are buying huge amount of coin, in this case there will be a sharp rise in prices and also because of this demand will increase and many investors will be able to invest, so the outcome is,WHALES had a large profit on their money or capital, i think this is why the alternative currency increases.
and after they buy it they will sell their coins that will cause a sudden fall in its price of alt coins.

This isn't something new. Whales always had the ability to move markets in the crypto world. This will change with increase in liquidity of the markets. Altcoins are less liquid than the Bitcoin market and will always be susceptible to pump and dump schemes.

Well that's true but aside from whales we also have speculations to consider. Market moves through how people feel about it. It determines if much money will come in. Like fomo. If people suddenly becomes confident because of rising prices, fomo comes in which could raise the value higher. Same thing though with panic but with opposite effect

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Quote from: harbs23 on May 06, 2018, 12:39:45 AM

In my observation in bitcoin price !!
I think the WHALES are the manipulators of shifting price of bitcoin and alt coins
Why?
Because whales are buying huge amount of coin, in this case there will be a sharp rise in prices and also because of this demand will increase and many investors will be able to invest, so the outcome is,WHALES had a large profit on their money or capital, i think this is why the alternative currency increases.
and after they buy it they will sell their coins that will cause a sudden fall in its price of alt coins.

This isn't something new. Whales always had the ability to move markets in the crypto world. This will change with increase in liquidity of the markets. Altcoins are less liquid than the Bitcoin market and will always be susceptible to pump and dump schemes.

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Quote from: Ahiaba on May 06, 2018, 05:38:47 AM

Yes whales manipulate crypto currency market in their favour to gain profit from their investment and how did they do it, they sell their position in at the same time and that will affect the market value of Bitcoin. And once they boticed that the price of bitcoin is low they buy back at the cheaper rate.

yes that is very right that there are a lot of people who have big investment, they can really manipulate the bitcoin as well as other altcoin price, i think that when bitcoin price will increase too much, and when the bitcoin users will increase too much then it will become difficult for them to manipulate the bitcoin price.

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Yes whales manipulate crypto currency market in their favour to gain profit from their investment and how did they do it, they sell their position in at the same time and that will affect the market value of Bitcoin. And once they boticed that the price of bitcoin is low they buy back at the cheaper rate.

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yes it often happens, and the weakness of digital currencies is set to rise in price by big investors so they do not lose money

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Well for having a great volume of money then maybe they can really manipulate the bitcoin markets and since some of us are low whales then maybe it will be suitable for us to join whenever there are sudden pumping movement happening and let should be more watchful so that we could track the possible ATH movements and gain more money when manipulators move to dump the ecosystem.

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Let's imagine that a whale has 100BTC or 1000BTC and suddenly sells it. Can it lead to a collapse?
With a daily trading volume of more than $7,698,350,000, I think it will melt like a piece of salt in the ocean.
The price tends to be more susceptible to news and panic.

Quote from: harbs23 on May 06, 2018, 12:39:45 AM

why the alternative currency increases.

It increases because trading volume is small but will return to its real value in a few days, and this is the easiest way to catch small fish

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Quote from: harbs23 on May 06, 2018, 12:39:45 AM

In my observation in bitcoin price !!
I think the WHALES are the manipulators of shifting price of bitcoin and alt coins
Why?
Because whales are buying huge amount of coin, in this case there will be a sharp rise in prices and also because of this demand will increase and many investors will be able to invest, so the outcome is,WHALES had a large profit on their money or capital, i think this is why the alternative currency increases.
and after they buy it they will sell their coins that will cause a sudden fall in its price of alt coins.

You have a point there mate. Whales will be whales, they can manipulate the price on their favor. That's why we casuals should be cautious specially in altcoins because we don't know when those whales are going to dump to take home the profits.

As for bitcoin, they can still manipulate but for me its much harder as compare to altcoin. There are so many whales in bitcoin that most of the time it will be just a few whales who dumps the coins simultaneously or put a coordinated effort to bring the market to its knees so that they can buy it cheap later.

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