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April 16, 2024, 10:32:00 PM
#56
I think whitepaper is just a summary, so it's not very detail. While the source code is everything that make Bitcoin run, probably there's other thing that didn't mentioned in whitepaper besides halving.

POS = Proof of Scam, stay away from POS coins/tokens.

It is best to have the bitcoin github[1] as reference since all the updates and upgrades are mentioned on that repository.
To be more accurate, on lines 1752-1763.

Code: (https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/src/validation.cpp#L1752)
CAmount GetBlockSubsidy(int nHeight, const Consensus::Params& consensusParams)
{
    int halvings = nHeight / consensusParams.nSubsidyHalvingInterval;
    // Force block reward to zero when right shift is undefined.
    if (halvings >= 64)
        return 0;


    CAmount nSubsidy = 50 * COIN;
    // Subsidy is cut in half every 210,000 blocks which will occur approximately every 4 years.
    nSubsidy >>= halvings;
    return nSubsidy;

Was it in there from the start or later added ?

To answer my own question:

Using deepgit 4.3 on Windows 7 german laptop with 2GB RAM, pagefile.sys/vmram 2 GB:

Code:
int64 CBlock::GetBlockValue(int64 nFees) const
{
    int64 nSubsidy = 50 * COIN;

    // Subsidy is cut in half every 4 years
    nSubsidy >>= (nBestHeight / 210000);

    return nSubsidy + nFees;
}

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File main.cpp
Commit e071a3f6 by sirius-m at 2009-08-30 05:46 on v0.1.5, v0.3.20, v0.3.20.01_closest, v0.3.20.2_closest
Msg First commit

Who or what is sirius-m, in short SM.

Is it really Satoshi Moto ?

There were some shenigans along the way/changes/"going deeper"

One attempt to change 210000 block halving to 150 block halving, not sure why, maybe for halving testing purposes, or preventing miners from getting too many too early.
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April 17, 2024, 03:24:19 AM
#54
The halving of bitcoin is indeed a dirty little trick hiding in the source code.

The bitcoin white paper misleads:

"The steady addition of a constant of amount of new coins..."

Point being:

White paper does not mention halving !
Don't let the dip change your opinion.
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April 17, 2024, 02:50:19 AM
#53
What is really worrieing me at the moment is the term "halving".

When I asked some people what it ment they thought it ment the price was going to be "halved".

The lack of proper documentation about it probably makes it much worse then needs to be.

Imagine if the chinese or russian were speaking of a "halving"...

News media report, "halving" is a google trend at the moment in the Netherlands.

Clearly people are trying to find information about it and trying to understand it, for many it's probably an unbelievable concept ! Wink

I could not believe it myself at first, I had to see source code to really believe it ! Wink Tongue*

Somebody has finally explained the code, 5 days ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wB6Si4jZYc

If you don't understand on somethings which normally happen in bitcoin then you could do a lot of research about halving. Lots of information posted about it and this is not secret at all. So for you not to get bothered then read some helpful article about this topic so you can help yourself to learn.

Here are the sample article that can help you

https://www.ishares.com/us/insights/what-is-the-bitcoin-halving

https://www.investopedia.com/bitcoin-halving-4843769

https://www.coindesk.com/learn/bitcoin-halving-explained/


And a lot more information about this is posted in internet so help yourself to read so that you will not call bitcoin as scam for nonsense reason.
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April 16, 2024, 09:47:45 PM
#52
Yes it is a steady addition of new coins with a division factor to prevent an infinite supply. What exactly is your problem? We're not mining Dogecoin here.

This is "inversed exponential" Tongue

Legend has it a math guy tricked a king once with grain.

Now it seems Satoshi found a way to trick the world once again, though in a reversed way, but ultimately same way.

Perhaps 1000 or 2000 or 3000 years from now a tripple math trick will be invented instead of this double trick (half the coins,double the machines/electricity)



I think whitepaper is just a summary, so it's not very detail. While the source code is everything that make Bitcoin run, probably there's other thing that didn't mentioned in whitepaper besides halving.

POS = Proof of Scam, stay away from POS coins/tokens.

It is best to have the bitcoin github[1] as reference since all the updates and upgrades are mentioned on that repository.
To be more accurate, on lines 1752-1763.

Code: (https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/src/validation.cpp#L1752)
CAmount GetBlockSubsidy(int nHeight, const Consensus::Params& consensusParams)
{
    int halvings = nHeight / consensusParams.nSubsidyHalvingInterval;
    // Force block reward to zero when right shift is undefined.
    if (halvings >= 64)
        return 0;


    CAmount nSubsidy = 50 * COIN;
    // Subsidy is cut in half every 210,000 blocks which will occur approximately every 4 years.
    nSubsidy >>= halvings;
    return nSubsidy;

Was it in there from the start or later added ?

To answer my own question:

Using deepgit 4.3 on Windows 7 german laptop with 2GB RAM, pagefile.sys/vmram 2 GB:

Code:
int64 CBlock::GetBlockValue(int64 nFees) const
{
    int64 nSubsidy = 50 * COIN;

    // Subsidy is cut in half every 4 years
    nSubsidy >>= (nBestHeight / 210000);

    return nSubsidy + nFees;
}

Blame for
File main.cpp
Commit e071a3f6 by sirius-m at 2009-08-30 05:46 on v0.1.5, v0.3.20, v0.3.20.01_closest, v0.3.20.2_closest
Msg First commit

Who or what is sirius-m, in short SM.

Is it really Satoshi Moto ?

There were some shenigans along the way/changes/"going deeper"

One attempt to change 210000 block halving to 150 block halving, not sure why, maybe for halving testing purposes, or preventing miners from getting too many too early.

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April 16, 2024, 02:39:03 AM
#51
Just because it's not mentioned in the whitepaper doesn't mean that Bitcoin is a scam - the halving is simply the result of the development that the dev core did on Bitcoin. Because everything doesn't have to be based on the white paper and must be developed according to what is mentioned there. There is something called an update to make the Bitcoin ecosystem relevant and able to answer various existing or future issues. It's the same as your house, is it always based on the blueprint made by the architect? You can add rooms outside of the blueprint, that's the logic.
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April 16, 2024, 01:38:38 AM
#50
Yes it is a steady addition of new coins with a division factor to prevent an infinite supply. What exactly is your problem? We're not mining Dogecoin here.
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April 16, 2024, 12:42:08 AM
#49
The whole idea was to emulate the scarcity of Gold, so there were no hidden agendas to implement the Halving of the Block reward. The Bitcoin protocol is also Open source and the code is availlable for Peer review by other software developers.

So, nothing was hidden... it is all there to see and to disect by the public. The White paper just make it simple for the less technical people to understand the concept behind it.
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April 16, 2024, 12:04:30 AM
#48
Satoshi Nakamoto Bread Making Machines:

Produce 1 million breads per 4 years.

Hidden feature:

Produces half the amounts of breads after each 4 years ! =DDDDDDDDDDDD

Now you need double the amount of machines after each 4 years to make your existing customers happy. Where have I heard this before ?! Oh yeah the king, the chess board and the math guy.

Anyway....

Problem with this is potentially that people don't like unfairness and possibly unfair systems in general, thus long term bitcoin is probably doomed, people will switch to more fair systems.

The funny thing is:

The banks are unfair, invest money into scammers (loose the money and get saved by Craight Wreights tax paying dollars:))

Craight Wreight might be the inventor of bitcoin and decided to counter-scam the banks, with his own scammy bitcoin... which is a little bit less scammy than the banks.

Thus giving a choice between:

Very Scammy Bank/Fiat systems
versus
Less Scammy bitcoin system.

People choose the less scammy system.

Here is a better system:

vite

Go get it ! =D Tongue* =D

Oh yeah one last thing to the people thay say the whitepaper is only an introduction !

Give me and us all an f-ing break, is it really that hard to include 1 line of text to include the explanation of the halving, which is pretty damn crucial for mining equipment...

It may have been left out intentionally, and I believe it was... because look at the effect of it...

So now you continue to defend the potential scammer of Satoshi Nakamoto.

One more thing though about the COPA case and the denial of Satoshi Nakamoto on twitter: "I am not Craight Wreight".

Who runs COPA lawsuit ?! The same guy who ran Twitter ?! Is it possible that this say guy wrote that same tweet ?! Absolutely.

The funny part is Craight Wreight is as scammy as this bitcoin system, it fits the bill ! LOL =D



White paper does not mention halving !
The claim that the Bitcoin white paper misleads by not mentioning halving is not true. The halving process is indeed a fundamental part of Bitcoin’s design. The white paper specifies that after every 210,000 blocks, the reward for miners will halve. This means that while the white paper talks about the addition of new coins, it also implies a decreasing rate of supply over time due to halving events. These events are designed to control inflation and mimic the extraction of precious resources, becoming less frequent over time until the cap of 21 million bitcoins is reached. The halving is not a “dirty little trick” but a transparent and predictable feature of the Bitcoin protocol that is public and verifiable by anyone who examines the source code or understands the protocol’s rules.

This shitty paper without algorithms, without (pascal) pseudo code is only 9 pages long ?!

https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf

Where did your delusional reading start on what page ? You claim it's there, I don't think so, a simple in-document search turned up nothing, I am not going to bother reading this scammy document again, it's up to you to at least give me a page number so I can cut my reading into 1/9.

Others have already stated, they also saw nothing mentioned about halving...



What is really worrieing me at the moment is the term "halving".

Initially I wanted to respond to your question in a very normal way, despite finding your topic title quite disturbing. But It seems that you are only looking to ignite some senseless discussions around Bitcoin and get attention. While it’s valuable for anyone to explore and ask about the intricacies of blockchain technology, it’s also important to base our discussions in verified information and rational arguments, as sometimes you are answering with much knowledge about the blockchain then again asking some dumb questions.
Having read your previous topics telling me that you like circus shows. If Satoshi were indeed your computer science teacher, perhaps you could ask him directly about the halving and why it wasn't mentioned in the white paper.

Perhaps this planet is one big circus show ! =D (matter of perspective) In that case, Welcome to planet Circus ! =D

(I happen to be listening to this music, which fits perfectly with this "conclusion/observation"):

https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_player&query=205885

(Click "play" to listen to it)

Yesterday something else happened, as I was listening to another piece of music, it mentioned "9" and the windows screen saver accidently rendered a 9 with it's lines, so coincidence ? does ? exist ? Smiley Or was it ment to be ? Wink





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April 15, 2024, 06:06:10 PM
#47
Bitcoin’s White paper was made almost two decades ago.

It only talks about the fundamentals of bitcoin but does not specifically get into every detail about the network nor the mechanisms used. Meanwhile, Halving was introduced way later on to control the supply of bitcoin maintaining itself as an attractive asset due to its scarcity.

Due to many people taking interest in bitcoin, I am sure there would be many more systems and innovations that would be soon implemented that we can not add to the white paper anymore.
The burning and supply control of bitcoin have been maintain and have been the leading project in the market. Implement on solid strategies and also do well to enable ourselves become confident in the system more especially when dealing with bitcoin. I know it's not easy but we should always grab good possibilities of earnings and also trapped our stands in the space. Bitcoin halving have always dominated and takes charge when it comes to the bullish season, though it do occur occasionally, probably after 4 lengthy years.
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April 15, 2024, 12:16:58 PM
#46
White paper does not mention halving !

Bitcoin’s White paper was made almost two decades ago.

It only talks about the fundamentals of bitcoin but does not specifically get into every detail about the network nor the mechanisms used. Meanwhile, Halving was introduced way later on to control the supply of bitcoin maintaining itself as an attractive asset due to its scarcity.

Due to many people taking interest in bitcoin, I am sure there would be many more systems and innovations that would be soon implemented that we can not add to the white paper anymore.
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April 15, 2024, 12:01:18 PM
#45
What is really worrieing me at the moment is the term "halving".

When I asked some people what it ment they thought it ment the price was going to be "halved".
It just takes a minute to search for the 'halving' term on Google and find its meaning. It's normal some people may think the term refers to the price of Bitcoin being halved, if they are naive or uneducated on economical, financial and crypto matters, but it's not something hard to understand and interpret once you access the real meaning on different websites disponible on the internet talking about this topic.

It's not something to worry about, because it's just too simple to get it... You can even explain what halving means to people who you were talking about, and they should have no difficult finally assimilating the real meaning of the term. And once they do understand, they will help explaining it to other people who also might have gotten it wrongly. I think this whole discussion is a big storm in a teacup after all...
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April 15, 2024, 07:20:59 AM
#44
It is about fairness to the people of earth. (Especially all those on the internet)

1. Not everybody is a programmer.
2. New programmers find C incredibly hard to understand.
3. Critical financial information was left out like:
3.1 Bitcoin halving (nasty supply shock after 4 years, repeats each 4 years, leaves late comers fighting for bread crombs)
3.2 Maximum supply (no more new/cheap supply for future generations, unfair/time discrimination)
3.3 Difficulty adjustment (while mentioned, too vague, drives up cost for future generations/unfair)
4. Early adopters received more coins then late adopters (unfair)


How would you feel about new crypto projects if these "details" were left out ?
Why does it have to be "fair" in your standards? Now it sounds like you are just jealous of early birds here. Most people who were aware of bitcoin never bought it in first years if ever. Was it unfair against them too as they "didn't get the idea"

And are you implying that distribution is unfair because not everyone can read the code? How would you fix this so that your inclusion would cover everyone? There are people without access to internet or computers, so how would those get their share? How would they even know if they wanted that? There are people who haven't born yet. so how do we include them to this fairness plan? There are people who aren't aware how this benefits to them so they will sell at the start, so how we make them understand that they shouldn't do that. This is unfair against illiterate and ignorant people as well, as it is unfair against Amish people.

You can find information about 15 years of development of Bitcoin all over the internet. But assuming some people would be investing to btc purely, because they read only the original whitepaper is just weird. If they only read that, how they would even know what fork would they need to buy?
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April 14, 2024, 03:48:59 PM
#43
What is really worrieing me at the moment is the term "halving".

Initially I wanted to respond to your question in a very normal way, despite finding your topic title quite disturbing. But It seems that you are only looking to ignite some senseless discussions around Bitcoin and get attention. While it’s valuable for anyone to explore and ask about the intricacies of blockchain technology, it’s also important to base our discussions in verified information and rational arguments, as sometimes you are answering with much knowledge about the blockchain then again asking some dumb questions.
Having read your previous topics telling me that you like circus shows. If Satoshi were indeed your computer science teacher, perhaps you could ask him directly about the halving and why it wasn't mentioned in the white paper.
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April 14, 2024, 03:16:42 PM
#42
What is really worrieing me at the moment is the term "halving".

When I asked some people what it ment they thought it ment the price was going to be "halved".

The lack of proper documentation about it probably makes it much worse then needs to be.

Imagine if the chinese or russian were speaking of a "halving"...

News media report, "halving" is a google trend at the moment in the Netherlands.

Clearly people are trying to find information about it and trying to understand it, for many it's probably an unbelievable concept ! Wink

I could not believe it myself at first, I had to see source code to really believe it ! Wink Tongue*

Somebody has finally explained the code, 5 days ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wB6Si4jZYc
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April 14, 2024, 10:17:02 AM
#41
The halving of bitcoin is indeed a dirty little trick hiding in the source code.

The bitcoin white paper misleads:

"The steady addition of a constant of amount of new coins..."

Point being:

White paper does not mention halving !

If it wasn't mentioned it is because it wasn't important at all, halving is optional in the code, it depends if you want to make from the coin a finite or an infinite element, we have seen examples of coins who doesn't have halving and they work fine. A good example of this is Dogecoin.

Halving was necessary to limit the maximum supply, and it was a smart solution. If it wasn't mentioned in the whitepaper maybe it wasn't important to mention it for Satoshi.
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April 14, 2024, 09:21:39 AM
#40
If we say that the price of Bitcoin is not going to halve by itself, we have to say it with enough evidence. Although many kinds of questions come in our mind, but finally we give priority to the fact that investing, buying and selling in the market is mainly due to all these things that decrease the value of Bitcoin. Those who are very big investors can change the market a lot. For example a big investor sold all his bitcoins at the peak of the market but naturally the price of bitcoins will dump a lot and when the price of bitcoins dump they will buy again bitcoins and sell at higher price. That is, through their activities, they are profiting, but ordinary investors are suffering financially. About what I said but we don't have concrete evidence yet we always feel that way.
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April 14, 2024, 09:14:30 AM
#39
The halving of bitcoin is indeed a dirty little trick hiding in the source code.
Try if you buy Bitcoin in 2018 or 2022, surely you are now and enjoy the fact of the halving or you will scream I won, I did, Bitcoin ideas and tricks are genius and sure.
Because you didn't buy it at that time, it looks like you are disappointed and blaming yourself, actually it's not a dirty halving, your mind is dirty, because you judge in a silly way.

The bitcoin white paper misleads:
I don't find any error in it, proof: Bitcoin Whitepaper: Explained

"The steady addition of a constant of amount of new coins..."
Where is the proof of addition, what is that nonsense you have.

Point being:
White paper does not mention halving !
It's up to you to judge, in fact: big companies, countries and big investors are already targeting Bitcoin for their future.
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April 14, 2024, 08:52:44 AM
#38
Not everything must be in the whitepaper. Halving exists, it's a fact, and it's meant to be this way. Also, I think halving is a great mechanism that helps make Bitcoin even more desirable because fewer and fewer coins appear as the time passes. Not to mention that cycles are just nice and natural to us humans, they help keep track of the flow of time and how things are going.
Everyone knows (or can learn if they want to) about halving, so there's nothing hidden, dirty or shady about it.
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April 14, 2024, 05:01:53 AM
#37
Quote
3.1 Bitcoin halving (nasty supply shock after 4 years, repeats each 4 years, leaves late comers fighting for bread crombs)

3.2 Maximum supply (no more new/cheap supply for future generations, unfair/time discrimination)

Isn't this kind of behavior similar to a company with a fixed amount of stock?  If there is a finite number of stocks and there is no release of new shares, the company's stock value will surely skyrocket.  Just like the ecosystem of Bitcoin supply.   The same with the company with a fixed number of stocks, latecomers have to pay more when buying the remaining stocks than the pioneers.  This simply shows, life is never been fair, it is always the first comers who reap the best benefit.

Quote
3.3 Difficulty adjustment (while mentioned, too vague, drives up cost for future generations/unfair)

The Bitcoin whitepaper stated that:
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The steady addition of a constant of amount of new coins is analogous to gold miners expending resources to add gold to circulation

So I do not think that it is too vague, one can easily think that the more miners the heavier the competition, the heavier the competition, the harder it is to mine gold.  Since mining of Bitcoin is analogous to gold, we can clearly think that the resources needed to mine Bitcoin will become more expensive as more units are participating in mining Bitcoin.
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April 14, 2024, 04:13:24 AM
#36
It is about fairness to the people of earth. (Especially all those on the internet)

1. Not everybody is a programmer.

2. New programmers find C incredibly hard to understand.

This apply to all cryptocurrency, even when the implementation use different programming language.

3. Critical financial information was left out like:

3.1 Bitcoin halving (nasty supply shock after 4 years, repeats each 4 years, leaves late comers fighting for bread crombs)

3.2 Maximum supply (no more new/cheap supply for future generations, unfair/time discrimination)

3.3 Difficulty adjustment (while mentioned, too vague, drives up cost for future generations/unfair)

Aside from what other member said, the whitepaper comes out first before source code. It's possible Satoshi didn't think about the detail when Satoshi write the whitepaper.

4. Early adopters received more coins then late adopters (unfair)

They also take more risk/uncertainty. And such statement applies to various technology and investment.
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