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Topic: Bitcoin Savings & Trust - Money Returned List (One reported - CLOSED). - page 6. (Read 67107 times)

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Gerald Davis
Replace BTC with a foreign fiat currency, BTCST with a fraudulent investment fund the officer has never heard of, how does this change the situation? Nobody expects you to keep certificates of fiat based securities at home either, all trading is online nowadays. He'll do the paper work and since the damage is high, pass it on to a financial crimes department.

Exactly.  This idea that the entire Police force of an entire nation consists of the cop from the Simpsons is just asinine.  People do realize that the FBI for example has a internet crimes division.   They employ data analysts, statisticians, forensic accountants, computer experts, etc.  FinCEN deals with ponzi schemes and other "investment" scams everday.

Since the logical jump from BTC to fiat seems insurmountable even among some bitcoin users lets replace BTC with Gold.  Imagine Pirate ran a Ponzi where "investors" were encouraged to mail in gold and would be credited the amount of grams deposited and interested owed.  They could get their weekly dividends mailed out to them and even request a withdraw of all gold owed and be sent other investors deposits.  Now Gold isn't money but it does have value.  Police do investigate theft of things which have value. 

The idea that Bitcoins have no value and therefore no crime has occured is just silly. No judge is going to rule that way.  Sex for Bitcoins = legal loophole.  Bitcoins have no value therefore the prostitute isn't engaging in prostitution.   Ransom for bitcoins = not a randsom just free speech.  Bitcoins have no value under the law remember.


legendary
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But as I said, though some have come close, no government has ever been able to wipe out stupidity.

You really missed my point.

I didn't miss your point, I just chose to not take it too seriously.
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Reputation and character are the indicators that people should be relying on, not rules and regulations. Until we put a premium on those no tactic will protect us. Shame is a great deterrent to people considering offending others.
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But as I said, though some have come close, no government has ever been able to wipe out stupidity.

You really missed my point.
legendary
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Bitcoin should be able to stand on its own. Calling for governmental regulation and/or oversight is the typical knee-jerk reaction for people who feel or have been slighted in their business dealings. We have the talent and ability to overcome these problems before bringing widespread attention to what BTC is instead of what it  could be. Government intrusion into any area of our lives always results in a loss of liberty and could make BTC too much trouble to deal with and has never protected anyone from those people of poor character. The entire USA was ripped off by the collusion of the US government and the financial sector. Government is not the answer; we are.

Damn good post.

Personally, I'm not against any and all forms of government intervention. But sadly I can't think of a single government in the world that has been able to legislate stupidity out of the population... so in the case it wouldn't have worked anyway.

And why would wanna legislate on the stupidity of people? Because you know better? You know that Pirate is a scam and those who invest in him are looser? Your line of reasonning is one of the main reason why governments fail everytime. Because of I-know-better-what-s-good-for-you people.

Actually the best solution against frivolous investments would be liberty, and its counterpart: responsibility.

Actually, yeah, on a number of fronts, I do know better. But as I said, though some have come close, no government has ever been able to wipe out stupidity.
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Bitcoin should be able to stand on its own. Calling for governmental regulation and/or oversight is the typical knee-jerk reaction for people who feel or have been slighted in their business dealings. We have the talent and ability to overcome these problems before bringing widespread attention to what BTC is instead of what it  could be. Government intrusion into any area of our lives always results in a loss of liberty and could make BTC too much trouble to deal with and has never protected anyone from those people of poor character. The entire USA was ripped off by the collusion of the US government and the financial sector. Government is not the answer; we are.

Damn good post.

Personally, I'm not against any and all forms of government intervention. But sadly I can't think of a single government in the world that has been able to legislate stupidity out of the population... so in the case it wouldn't have worked anyway.

And why would wanna legislate on the stupidity of people? Because you know better? You know that Pirate is a scam and those who invest in him are looser? Your line of reasonning is one of the main reason why governments fail everytime. Because of I-know-better-what-s-good-for-you people.

Actually the best solution against frivolous investments would be liberty, and its counterpart: responsibility.
legendary
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Bitcoin should be able to stand on its own. Calling for governmental regulation and/or oversight is the typical knee-jerk reaction for people who feel or have been slighted in their business dealings. We have the talent and ability to overcome these problems before bringing widespread attention to what BTC is instead of what it  could be. Government intrusion into any area of our lives always results in a loss of liberty and could make BTC too much trouble to deal with and has never protected anyone from those people of poor character. The entire USA was ripped off by the collusion of the US government and the financial sector. Government is not the answer; we are.

Damn good post.

Personally, I'm not against any and all forms of government intervention. But sadly I can't think of a single government in the world that has been able to legislate stupidity out of the population... so in the case it wouldn't have worked anyway.
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I am the one who knocks
Do mexican hitmen accept btc ?
This is not the place for threats.  Quoted to preserve stupidity.
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Wat
Do mexican hitmen accept btc ?
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Bitcoin should be able to stand on its own. Calling for governmental regulation and/or oversight is the typical knee-jerk reaction for people who feel or have been slighted in their business dealings. We have the talent and ability to overcome these problems before bringing widespread attention to what BTC is instead of what it  could be. Government intrusion into any area of our lives always results in a loss of liberty and could make BTC too much trouble to deal with and has never protected anyone from those people of poor character. The entire USA was ripped off by the collusion of the US government and the financial sector. Government is not the answer; we are.

Damn good post.
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FIAT LIBERTAS RVAT CAELVM
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Bitcoin should be able to stand on its own. Calling for governmental regulation and/or oversight is the typical knee-jerk reaction for people who feel or have been slighted in their business dealings. We have the talent and ability to overcome these problems before bringing widespread attention to what BTC is instead of what it  could be. Government intrusion into any area of our lives always results in a loss of liberty and could make BTC too much trouble to deal with and has never protected anyone from those people of poor character. The entire USA was ripped off by the collusion of the US government and the financial sector. Government is not the answer; we are.
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FIAT LIBERTAS RVAT CAELVM
Replace BTC with ISK or WOW gold, and see how it changes the situation. Protip: You have just as much chance of getting any relief from BTCS&T as the depositors at EBANK from EVE Online had, i.e. none.

Actually, didn't that guy put a bounty on himself, and fly off into space in a death-star style ship? So, those guys have at least a chance to get some of their money back.
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Replace BTC with ISK or WOW gold, and see how it changes the situation. Protip: You have just as much chance of getting any relief from BTCS&T as the depositors at EBANK from EVE Online had, i.e. none.

Quoted for posterity Cheesy
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Replace BTC with ISK or WOW gold, and see how it changes the situation. Protip: You have just as much chance of getting any relief from BTCS&T as the depositors at EBANK from EVE Online had, i.e. none.
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[BitLame]
Officer,a bad man called pirate from the internet stole my bitcoins

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[Police Guy]
OK, so this bad pirate man hacked into your computer and stole something?

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[BitLame]
No, I gave him the bitcoins 100% voluntarily.

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[Police Guy]
Um, why would you give your magic internet money to someone who you've never met named pirate?

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[BitLame]
Because of greed.  He was offering impossible profits.  I can't resist free lunches and deals too good to be true.

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[Police Guy]
Son, you need to stop wasting police time before I show you what pepper spray tastes like.  We have real issues about real people to deal with.

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[BitLame]
*throws hissy fit*
*tastes pepper spray*
*entertains forum as drama queen of the week*

Replace BTC with a foreign fiat currency, BTCST with a fraudulent investment fund the officer has never heard of, how does this change the situation? Nobody expects you to keep certificates of fiat based securities at home either, all trading is online nowadays. He'll do the paper work and since the damage is high, pass it on to a financial crimes department.
I imagine you just have to mention the words "silk road" and "money laundering" and you could get an investigation started.
Not that that'd get you any of your money back, mind you...
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and they can pick their asses and smell their fingers after...... and do nothing for no one... Just like in real life......



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[BitLame]
Officer,a bad man called pirate from the internet stole my bitcoins

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[Police Guy]
OK, so this bad pirate man hacked into your computer and stole something?

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[BitLame]
No, I gave him the bitcoins 100% voluntarily.

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[Police Guy]
Um, why would you give your magic internet money to someone who you've never met named pirate?

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[BitLame]
Because of greed.  He was offering impossible profits.  I can't resist free lunches and deals too good to be true.

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[Police Guy]
Son, you need to stop wasting police time before I show you what pepper spray tastes like.  We have real issues about real people to deal with.

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[BitLame]
*throws hissy fit*
*tastes pepper spray*
*entertains forum as drama queen of the week*

Replace BTC with a foreign fiat currency, BTCST with a fraudulent investment fund the officer has never heard of, how does this change the situation? Nobody expects you to keep certificates of fiat based securities at home either, all trading is online nowadays. He'll do the paper work and since the damage is high, pass it on to a financial crimes department.
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if you had a bst account (at 7%/w ?), why did you put additional money into PPTs (at less than 7%/w)?
I somehow doubt that filharvey was getting 7% a week, since that would require a large investment and as far as I'm aware pirate hasn't paid out any of the larger investors yet.
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