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legendary
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October 20, 2016, 01:58:33 PM
#29
Ban or don't ban. Both benefit bitcoin users.

If they ban it, bitcoin will make a dumping party... for a short time. Most people will see it as cheap coins Cheesy It will recover itself after the shock and keep rising.

If they don't, bitcoin will keep rising.

There is no exit, assholes. Fuck your fiat.

Well we dont care about EU, even if they ban bitcoin there are still many countries worldwide that uses bitcoin. And take note not 100% of EUs population are into bitcoin. There are only a small population in EU that are into bitcoin. Even if bitcoin is ban it is hard to trace or track if the citizens are still doing bitcoin. So even there is banning of bitcoins in a certain country the citizens will not stop using it.
I think its impossible that EU will ban bitcoins since i heard that many europian here already using bitcoin and i think there is some business online or related in bitcoin for EU. Maybe in russian can be ban bitcoin in other big countries like EU i think its not.
legendary
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October 20, 2016, 01:44:43 PM
#28
I don't beleive that EU will bann Bitcoin or that it will become illegal. Despite the financial system attitude towards Bitcoin EU is just too much liberal to do something like this. They will regulate it some way, that is for sure, and this regulation will be valid for all EU countries, but Bitcoin will not be outside the law.
That is for sure. EU can only take a step to regulate the use  of Bitcoin within it jurisdiction but cannot completely ban it. They can try harder but nothing will be there capable of bringing down bitcoin, instead they should just find a way of taxing the bitcoin users. That's fine.

But surely if you can identify people for taxing purposes then you can go after them if you introduce a ban.
hero member
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October 20, 2016, 01:37:24 PM
#27
I don't beleive that EU will bann Bitcoin or that it will become illegal. Despite the financial system attitude towards Bitcoin EU is just too much liberal to do something like this. They will regulate it some way, that is for sure, and this regulation will be valid for all EU countries, but Bitcoin will not be outside the law.
That is for sure. EU can only take a step to regulate the use  of Bitcoin within it jurisdiction but cannot completely ban it. They can try harder but nothing will be there capable of bringing down bitcoin, instead they should just find a way of taxing the bitcoin users. That's fine.
sr. member
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October 20, 2016, 07:49:15 AM
#26
Ban or don't ban. Both benefit bitcoin users.

If they ban it, bitcoin will make a dumping party... for a short time. Most people will see it as cheap coins Cheesy It will recover itself after the shock and keep rising.

If they don't, bitcoin will keep rising.

There is no exit, assholes. Fuck your fiat.

Well we dont care about EU, even if they ban bitcoin there are still many countries worldwide that uses bitcoin. And take note not 100% of EUs population are into bitcoin. There are only a small population in EU that are into bitcoin. Even if bitcoin is ban it is hard to trace or track if the citizens are still doing bitcoin. So even there is banning of bitcoins in a certain country the citizens will not stop using it.
legendary
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October 20, 2016, 07:48:02 AM
#25
I still don't think that ECB is really taking virtual currencies serious.
Maybe some people way down the command line have a realistic view on what a crypto currency can or can not do.
But for the level where decisions are made, crypto is still too small by far.
I can not imagine that they would use their time to even debate about it.

Although it's a cool name, I don't think that articles written by a guy who calls himself Tyler Durden shuold be considered to be a realistic scenario of the future.

You should read the original document:

https://www.ecb.europa.eu/ecb/legal/pdf/en_con_2016_49_f_sign.pdf


BTW, there's nothing in there about banning bitcoin.
hero member
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October 20, 2016, 07:34:45 AM
#24
I still don't think that ECB is really taking virtual currencies serious.
Maybe some people way down the command line have a realistic view on what a crypto currency can or can not do.
But for the level where decisions are made, crypto is still too small by far.
I can not imagine that they would use their time to even debate about it.

Although it's a cool name, I don't think that articles written by a guy who calls himself Tyler Durden shuold be considered to be a realistic scenario of the future.
legendary
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October 20, 2016, 06:37:58 AM
#23
How can they ban Bitcoin, if they stole the Blockchain technology that are currently being developed? Why do you think Mike Hearn went to work for R3? It was definitely not to work on their old legacy systems. What we might see in the coming years, is a clear distinction between public and private Blockchains, and separate regulations for these two entities. ^hmmmmm^ 
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October 19, 2016, 01:55:06 PM
#22
Good times  Grin Reminds me when the Central Bank of China was supposed to ban bitcoins several times a few years ago.

spot on! they aren't so stupid as to seriously consider this option. Anyway, we only stand to gain from that.
legendary
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October 19, 2016, 01:37:45 PM
#21
Ban or don't ban. Both benefit bitcoin users.

If they ban it, bitcoin will make a dumping party... for a short time. Most people will see it as cheap coins Cheesy It will recover itself after the shock and keep rising.

If they don't, bitcoin will keep rising.

There is no exit, assholes. Fuck your fiat.
legendary
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October 19, 2016, 01:33:16 PM
#20
I don't beleive that EU will bann Bitcoin or that it will become illegal. Despite the financial system attitude towards Bitcoin EU is just too much liberal to do something like this. They will regulate it some way, that is for sure, and this regulation will be valid for all EU countries, but Bitcoin will not be outside the law.
sr. member
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October 19, 2016, 01:26:44 PM
#19
this would be a good way to clean bitcoin up and lose all those non believers that just want to make a quick buck. and it would be a opportunity to buy some cheap bitcoin. because there is no way this will stop bitcoin. slow it down at best.
legendary
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October 19, 2016, 12:44:19 PM
#18
Bitcoin already won. Look at russia, they have been scaring bitcoin users with jail for years now, yet, look at the volume of localbitcoin rubble to btc trading, it is only going up.

Bitcoin cannot be stopped, governments better deal with this fact or keep struggling. Unless they want to shut down the entire internet, bitcoin will stay alive, and shutting the internet down is suicide since the economy needs the internet nowadays.
legendary
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October 19, 2016, 11:24:15 AM
#17
We should prepare ourselves for more resistance  from governments and banks. We know these two are in bed together, so they will

work together to squash the competition. The banks had to catch up with Bitcoin, and as soon as they are ready to strike, they will

intensify the pressure on the governments. Is there a Plan B without the government's support? Yes, use your vote to vote for the

government that supports Bitcoin.  Wink 
legendary
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October 19, 2016, 10:47:35 AM
#16
Zerohedge suggests the ECB is more concerned about people using bank notes than Bitcoin. It suggests the ECB wants everyone to use only debit and credit cards with traceable transactions. That's not a realistic proposition considering the debit and credit card networks are sometimes faulty and unavailable.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-19/ecb-wants-curb-bitcoin-use-over-fears-it-may-lose-control-over-money-supply

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In short, while the ECB would love to ban cash which is a major stumbling block to the bank's NIRP strategy, its proposed alternative is not virtual currencies, despite various such suggestions most notably by the BOE, but merely retaining currency if entirely in electronic form, think only debit and credit card transactions, which in turn allow every single operation and transaction to be tracked (and taxed) by both the central bank and local governments with pinpoint accuracy.
sr. member
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October 19, 2016, 10:31:47 AM
#15
I don't think banning Bitcoin will stop mainstream adoption. Compare this with downloading music: although illegal, most people have done it.

exactly, i dont think bitcoin will ever be illegal(in a few contries maybe, and it wont last) because they cant control. it's like drugs but way hard to prohibit. unlike drugs, bitcoins doest have a good reason to be prohibited so i dont see it happening.
legendary
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October 19, 2016, 09:33:40 AM
#14
Here's the document:

https://www.ecb.europa.eu/ecb/legal/pdf/en_con_2016_49_f_sign.pdf

And an interesting paragraph:

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Second, given that virtual currencies are not in fact currencies, it would be more accurate to regard them as a means of exchange, rather than as a means of payment. Additionally, the proposed directive’s definition of ‘virtual currencies’ as a means of payment does not take into account that in some circumstances virtual currencies can be used for purposes other than that of a means of payment12. As noted by the Bank for International Settlements (BIS), the distributed ledger technology underlying many digital currency schemes could have a much broader application beyond payments13. In this respect, the FATF has noted that non-payment uses of virtual currencies may include store-of-value products for savings or investment purposes, such as derivatives, commodities, and securities products14. More recent digital currencies, which are based on more sophisticated distributed ledger and block chain technology, have a large array of uses that go beyond payment purposes15, including for example, online casinos In the light of the above, the ECB suggests that the proposed directive also refers to other possible uses of virtual currencies in the proposed definition of that term.

The ECB suggests adapting the definition of virtual currencies under the proposed directive to take the above points into account.
hero member
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October 19, 2016, 08:37:49 AM
#13
ECB is afraid and they showing that. They will not give up from fiat easily, on fiat they make more fiat, with stupid banks and interests, with inflations, and their other tricks. I think most of us here expected something like this to happen one day , will it be smackdown, or bitcoin have enough power to win this battle will be seen, it`s stupid to make any assumptions.
Banks have the money and resources to inflict on things as they like, we need to wait and see their move before any action. But I agree that they are late, they can not stop this running train?

legendary
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October 19, 2016, 08:17:17 AM
#12
FIAT needs inflation. Deflatory currencies like Gold and Bitcoin are the enemies of FIAT currencies. They don't want bitcoin to get too big or out of control unless they control it.

I created a topic about my concerns before but it seems govs yet to have control over bitcoin. (not ECB at least)
hero member
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October 19, 2016, 08:09:33 AM
#11
To get back on topic: I don't think ECB/EU will be able to regulate Bitcoin, and even if they do, I don't expect it to lose value over it. If anything, it's value will only go up!

Bankers control the politicians.  If they decide its a threat they politicians will make it illegal, slap a huge fine or jail time on the punishment list and you can kiss mainstream adoption goodbye.

The EU is a large marketplace and if banned will have a negative effect on price.

I think is EU can regulated bitcoin
and can regulated digital curency to bitcoin is good effect
but is baned is bad effect

but number one volume transaction bitcoin not in EU
but in china
legendary
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October 19, 2016, 08:05:14 AM
#10
Good times  Grin Reminds me when the Central Bank of China was supposed to ban bitcoins several times a few years ago.

that was to stop it being used as a currency for day to day life. and it worked. bitcoin is now useless in china for anything other than trading and speculation.
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