Topic: Bitcoin Suisse - Physical Bitcoin/Crypto Certificates - Series II (Read 1596 times)

Hi everyone,
any news about the release of the 0.01 btc notes, tia

For anyone who wants to protect and preserve their Suisse notes...I use the following. I also use for any paper wallets I made, Polymerbit and other crypto notes.

BCW Large Currency Slab
https://www.jpscorner.com/products/bcw-large-currency-slab?_pos=9&_sid=ce50fff25&_ss=r

Outside: 7" x 3 5/8"

Inside: 6 3/16" x 2 11/16"

 Features Include:
•Archival Quality
•Crystal clear rigid plastic
•PVC and Acid FREE!!
•Simple two piece design that snaps together
•Perfect for long term storage


Capital Currency Holder for Large Currency
https://www.jpscorner.com/products/capital-currency-holder-for-large-currency?_pos=1&_sid=ce50fff25&_ss=r

I use this one for any loaded notes.

In other words I suggested the above and then asked for one. That's how it came to be and this was the exception. So no, they are not for sale.

I did but not sure I get it. Can you be more specific? I tried to order 10 btc certificates but when I called them they told me I had to preload my wallet with 10 btc, so how to get unloaded specimen 10 btc certificates?

Read a couple of threads further up.

How do you get them? I didn’t see that option when I purchased, if I select 10 BTC I need to have 10 btc in the account

No...these are unloaded notes. The loaded notes do not have specimen on them.

All 1 & 10 BTC certs have specimen written on them?

   I just received two Specimen Suisse Note certificates with denominations of 1BTC and 10BTC!!

   These have to be the rarest of any Suisse Note ever issued and will be a prized part of my crypto collection as these high denomination

   notes are very hard to come by if at all! Probably only a handful ever made.

   The notes feel is just like an actual Fiat paper currency, 100% cotton. The design and imagery is stunning as well.

  In the front  you have Helvetia, and in the back is an image of Crypto Valley!

   These must be the best paper wallets I have ever come across and the rarest I have in my collection.

   They will fit in well with all my other Suisse notes that I have and also complete my series II BTC set which was missing a 1 and 10BTC note.

   Thankyou so much for sending these and keep up the good work.

   Cannot wait till you issue series III. Cheers!

 
 
 
 

   

Hi Everyone,

Received these beauties mid-october from bitcoinsuisse.com
The sexy scent of Crypto.


Some serial numbers are just ultra low, like wow low low
Noticed the 4 x 1 loaded BCH.
I did an error when ordering, missed one generic BCH to have 3 generic certificates completed series.




Source: bitcoinsuisse.com/crypto-certificates

The serial numbers are done per currency instead of per denomination for simplicity reasons during production.

The certificates are printed in sheets and each sheet contains 3 certificates of mixed denominations (e.g top: 0.1 BTC, middle: 1 BTC, bottom: Generic). This is done to keep the amount of fixtures and stencils that need to be custom made to a minimum.
With the above mentioned aggregation of multiple denominations per sheet we only need one stencil for BTC instead of 3 if we kept the denominations all separately. The serial numbers are printed from top to bottom (e.g top one is 1, middle 2, bottom 3).
Let‘s assume that 0.1 BTC is at the top of a sheet, then the serial numbers for 0.1 BTC are always 1+(x*3) e.g 1,4,7,10...

I hope this answers your question.

Great responses so far!

Hence, I am tempting to ask:


Could you please elaborate on the serial numbers numeration of each note? You have provided information about the denominations and issue numbers, however, I was wondering how those notes are being serialized.

Shouldn't each note denomination have its own serial numeration, that matches the total amount of the issue number? I am asking, because the majority of the generic notes that I received, their serial number is greater than the total number of the generic notes being produced.

Let's take for example the ETH notes (1 ETH: 1470, 10 ETH: 1580, Generic: 1846).  How do you serialize those? like 1ETH: (serial numbers 1-1470), 10ETH(serial numbers 1471-3050), Generic (serial numbers 3051-4896)?

Great responses! Reaching out to you now via pm and email. Thanks!

>>Received two free non denom BTC notes as promised. Thankyou!

Most welcome - we are sorry for the trouble for US customers which we are currently unable to serve, and we felt it only proper with the small token gift - with the time and effort you spent when this was unclear.
For everyone else - yes - the shopping basket is now online, so it is possible to do a mixed order of different certificates.

>> I know you have higher denominations. Its a shame the only way to buy them will be loaded. But do you really think anyone will load a paper wallet not made by themselves with 10BTC? That's quite a lot of money to trust someone else who made the private keys.

We cannot stress it enough: Never ever buy a product with 3rd party generated keys from 'someone' on the internet, and use it for storing large amounts of cryptos! Not even when they, like we do, have a 3rd party audited & notarized production process (https://files.bitcoinsuisse.com/assets/pdf/Public_Deed_Confirmation.pdf). This leaves 2 questions

1) Why do we enforce loading of denominated certificates?

2) Why do we offer lg. denominated certificates at all, given the 3rd party generated key problem, audited or not? When we even warn against it?

As to (1) - we have been making '3rd party passable pater wallets' aka. 'physical bitcoin' since 2014. Originally we allowed them to be purchased 'unloaded'. Unfortunately it did not take long before we had people approaching us with a "I bought this 1 BTC certificate from someone for 560 USD - now please load it".... From then on - we decided to enforce loading 'when buying' - except for the generic, non-denominated certificates. Casascius himself also learned this the hard way.

As to (2) - In Europe we are the oldest and largest crypto financial service provider, broker and custodian in the market, active since 2013. Basically we are the Coinbase or Gemini of Europe. Certificates / paper wallets are not a part of our core business, it is a (historic) service we provide with a view to a) marketing b) serving a niche need of our clients.
For about 10'000 clients, we store almost 2Bn of crypto assets including about 2% of every Bitcoin every mined. For those of our clients where we have worked together for years - and who trust us with millions of dollars of assets, it is not a big leap of faith to order a 10 BTC note, and use it for perhaps a significant present to their children, business partners or as a rare collectible.

Please also note what we have 10 milliBit and 100 milliETH certificates on the way - a more manageable amount.

For the rest of you, who do not know us - yes - it makes no sense what-so-ever. Nor should you ever trust any person or company with 10 BTC or even 1 BTC - unless you fully know who you are dealing with!

Still you have the option of using the generic certificates, with or without loading small amounts on them, as a cool way to make a present or an offline transaction - and perhaps afterwards show the receiver, if not already in the know, how to sweep the wallet. And you at least have the benefit and peace of mind of knowing, that no-one to our knowledge the past 5 years, had a bad experience with our paper wallets.

Take the certificates for what they are nothing more - and we certainly do not hide the risk involved with 3rd party generated keys (see opening post). Yet, just as many people for a specific reason or with a specific need turn over their assets to centralized exchanges or service providers, as can it make sense to do it on paper wallets in a few, limited use-cases, even with the risks involved.

>> Have you considered perhaps selling them unloaded if they are never sold in the future?

Historically - we always sell out. But as stated, this is not a business for us - rather a service and a labor of love.

>>And if so to protect against any scam perhaps stamp unloaded in a neat way on the side or across the face diagonally?

That would of course be possible. If clearly and unmistakably marked in a permanent way that the certificate is unloaded - we could provide you such a note, unloaded. But we wouldn't produce then in scale as a product, as you are the first ever such request we had.

I have managed to buy the unloaded version of your notes...as well as a loaded version.

  I know you have higher denominations. Its a shame the only way to buy them will be loaded. But do you really think anyone will load a paper wallet not made by themselves with 10BTC? That's quite a lot of money to trust someone else who made the private keys.

  I do hope you do sell as your notes are quite the collectable item. I also have some from your first series....but here is a suggestion to ponder...

  Have you considered perhaps selling them unloaded if they are never sodl in the future? And if so to protect against any scam perhaps stamp unloaded in a neat way on the side or across the face diagonally?

   Regardless...Thanks for the great work you have done on these. Cheers

  

Received two free non denom BTC notes as promised. Thankyou!

Dear Everyone,

While we previously worked under the assumption that US customers could order certificates via mail, this unfortunately turns out not to be the case.
Bitcoin Suisse is currently not allowed to handle orders from US citizens, green card holders or residents of the United States of America, due to FATCA regulation. At present, this also regrettable means means that we cannot sell crypto-certificates to said group. We a forced to refer to US customers to seek our the certificates from 3rd parties and re-sellers. Should this change, we will let the community know.

US customers whom have tried to order have been notified directly and have been offered a private gift of 2x generic certificates from our founder and chairman, as compensation for trouble and time spent.
For everyone else, the much vaunted shopping basket will be up and running from the 12th and onward.

We regret the inconvenience for all US customers!

/Bitcoin Suisse - Certificate Team

Received that from Switzerland. Beau-ti-full certificates in hands.

I did not expect that. Did not think about it when ordering.
Crypto has a smell!
Since 2013, I've finally discovered today the odor, the aroma of crypto money which is... WOW

BitcoinSuisse.com does produce pieces of art certificates, it's also a pretty neat exchange, trading & prime brokerage, collateralized lending,
staking, stablecoins, storage... Foundation of Bitcoin Suisse AG started in 2013, the founder, chairman, Co-CEO Niklas Nikolajsen discovered Bitcoin in 2010.

You guyz made my day, Vive la Suisse!


Source: bitcoinsuisse.com

>>Please delete all the KYC documents for all the USA customers getting denied, including my own. Thank you.  

Of course - that will be done for all relevant cases!
Bitcoin Suisse is a Swiss financial intermediary, more than 6 years in the market - and undergoing licensing for becoming a Swiss bank (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4BRg3C5ZcU). We are very careful with private client data and privacy in general, and as we cannot (not by our choice) currently accept US clients, you can trust we will delete all private information relevant to US client applicants.

Please delete all the KYC documents for all the USA customers getting denied, including my own. Thank you.