Topic: Bitcoin to End Government and Change the World - page 2. (Read 2441 times)

You had a volunteer fire department? Well, there's a surprise! Yes, those are a thing in small towns, don't work in big cities, see: Don't scale. Also aren't for-profit companies. Also first result on Google:


Private police force that doesn't exist? Or are you talking about mall cops/bank guard/gated communities? Those exist, work just fine & rely on the real jackboots to handle all the major shit (murders don't get handled by private pigs).

In the 80s when they were talking about breaking up the telephone monopoly most people saw no need to break it up because phone service was just fine. Many people were fearmongering about how we would not be able to use our phones, anarchy, chaos etc.

One story I recall was someone talking about a city in Mexico (probably untrue) that had allowed competition between telephone companies. They said that they went to one person's house in that city and they had 5 different phones in their house, one for each telephone company because they had to have one for each company because not all of their friends and family were using the same company.

Some people just have no imaginations of why freedom may be preferable to the current status quo.

City problems are dealt with by local governments. We elect city officials, like the mayor, or the dog catcher.We can even elect our Sheriff, if we live in the sticks. What we do not elect is our war chief, to defend us from the frickin' commies over in the next county, or from the vicious tacos from 'cross the border. That's what the feds are for.
Read books, bro.

My sewer company is Ni Florida. http://www.niamerica.com/
Water company is Hudson Water Works. http://hudsonwaterworks.org/
Electric company is Withlacoochee River Electric Cooperative. https://www.wrec.net/
I believe the fire department I used in Georgia was Martinez Fire Dept. http://www.yellowpages.com/augusta-ga/mip/martinez-fire-dept-468251683?lid=468251683

Private police force in Detroit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqlVL26jrCA


Private highways:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_highways_in_the_United_States

You think that city = country? So a problem of a particular city should be solved on the governmen level? BS. Your comparison is weak. Each city should have their own small government for dealing with such problems but there is no need for a one giant government.

Good video, definitely they are talking about some vital problems and bitcoin could be a cure for some of them for sure.
But what pains me is some comments under that video on YouTube:


People are still living in the dark and have no idea how bitcoin works, what open source is and why bitcoin is secure, in fact more secure that FIAT ever was.

Your water and sewage are private companies? Something smells. Where do you live/name of companies?
Unless, of course, you got a septic tank and a well.

Has anyone ever suggested that it's metaphysically impossible to have those things without a government?
London, for instance, used to do just fine without public water and sewage ...scratch that, it did just fine just fine until Thames turned into an open sewer (because no jackboots with their environmental regulations, lol), Cholera epidemics broke out, and, after The Great Stink of 1858, people decided that maybe letting everyone poop wherever they want to -- in the street, in the Thames -- was just too much freedoms. In come city sewage.

Perhaps you might peruse a few history books? Learn how come we got them gubermint institutions and intrusive regulations we gots today? Might take some of your edge off.

Yes, there are. They're called "driveways." You lay a road on your property, and it's a private road.

In Somalia, yes.

Really? Which one is it? Link? Because every time I search for privatized fire departments, I keep getting stuff like this http://www.nytimes.com/1998/03/13/nyregion/experiment-in-private-fire-protection-fails-for-a-westchester-village.html?pagewanted=all

Where was this again? Name of the company and the one you switched to?
I mean sure, I've lived in BVI for a bit and garbage collection was private, as was sewage (septic tanks, of a sort), and water (collect rain into a sistern below the house where the basement usually is, call water truck if you run out), as was power (one private company with bigass diesel generator/intermittent service and no competition, your own diesel generator as alternative), as were most of the roads (AFAIK, had to pay a guy with a CAT to clear/level mine after a storm).

This worked fine, but shit don't scale.  Laying multiple parallel sewer lines and building multiple sewage processing plants is simply idiotic. As is having to call a guy with a backhoe to disconnect you from TastySew sewer line and lay some pipe to hook you up to Exclusive Sewage Services every time TastySew raises its prices. Ditto for multiple water mains.
Do I really need to explain this stuff?

Probably.
Though in my entire lifetime, across all the countries I have ever lived in, nothing has ever happened to make me want to fill out that form.

And mtgox would have been bailed out by the government(s) on the expense of people because surely mtgox would have been too big to fail.

Look at the early days of Bitcoin exchanges.

MtGox had a virtual monopoly for a long time because they had first mover status. They thrived because they were first and benefited from it.

Small exchanges started popping up offering things that MtGox was not offering. But they still were not able to do as well as Gox. Some came and went while Gox continued on.

Then MtGox started getting shitty and people realized that they needed to start trying these other exchanges. The other exchanges, fortunately, matured as MtGox finally crashed and burned.

Imagine if MtGox had gained a patent on the "Bitcoin Exchange" process. We would have all been screwed.

The real problem is patents. Patents should not exist, at all, ever. If multiple people come to the same idea at once then patents are not at all fair, so the idea of patents is broken in its core.

Very true.


I think they can. Each company has some quantity limits. If you cannot sell more, sell more expensive and discuss with the neighbor company that could be the competition to keep up the price and don't interfere with you so both will earn more with less effort.

I agree. But it is usually governments that create a monopoly. Monopolies cannot exist in a free market.

When the Bell patent on the telephone expired thousands of phone companies popped up. The government ended up giving monopoly power to the Bell phone companies for local and AT&T for long distance for over 50 years (that 50 years where we had the same dial telephones). Imagine how advanced our phone technology would have been long ago had the government not given them that monopoly.

I also favour the existence of a government but a very minimalistic one indeed. Perhaps monopolies are one of the few issues the governments should take care of. And representational democracy is a failed experiment that should be thrown out the window right away. A form of weighted direct democracy would be much better. A citizen in the government would be something like a shareholder in a company.

Private companies are fine until the point they make a monopoly.
In my country the gas prices are kinda same everywhere and whatever changes, they only go up.


Although I am 100% certain that the current way the governments are is wrong (all they care about is to get elected and steal our money), there must be some sort of government that can provide the tools to force private companies to play fair.

My garbage, water, sewage and power are all private companies.

So...the idea that by not relying on government those things go away is a failed assumption.

There are also private roads and private police forces. I even had a private fire department when I lived in Georgia. One of the highest rated fire departments in the state.

I actually did have a problem once with my garbage service. So I cancelled their service and called a new company. Meanwhile the next county over that had a public garbage service was having a big controversy over their garbage service not picking up garbage, people had to complain to the government, the unions got involved, there were protests and hearings. Idiotic.

well that's the thing about online debates, you will be misinterpreted, a lot, on purpose. as for the money, as I said, it's not about the money, it is about establishing the Luciferian Doctrine all over the world. And no, it doesn't make any sense to me neither but who said it had to make sense?

I don't think money is something everyone should be going after, I'm just saying they're making enough that they can buy whoever and whatever they want and wouldn't need a world government because they could buy it from the shadows. A world government would make it obvious, at least with multiple countries they maintain some obscurity.

People who want money can go and get money, and it is those people who the elite buy and use them as a proxy.

I'm also not sure how a single statement means money is the one thing I think everyone should be going after, but whatever.

Government is now becoming a joke. They have increased taxes to an extent that the bills have become lesser than the tax charged and it does need to end but it will never end. Government is just a name behind people who control the economy and charge people for things they don't even get. I feel there will come a time when banks will create their own crypto currency instead and kill bitcoins.

it's not about money. but you have been brainwashed very well by them as you clearly think money is the number one thing everyone should be after