Topic: Bitcoin to paypal -- Legit ? (Read 7700 times)

Well I've been trying to be hopeful about this, but I've officially lost all faith.

THIS IS A COMPLETE SCAM!!
BE WARNED EVERYONE

So I was googling around, and look what I found? AN EXACT COPY OF THE SAME SITE:

http://www.withdrawbtc.net/

They're trying to get a new name and website because btc2money.net is now a known scam. WOW. I didn't want to believe it.. mainly because I just lost all my btc to them, but now I can't refuse the evidence anymore.. This sucks. Please no one else fall for this.


Peace

Its a scam...its been 20+ days since they took my money and for the last 14 days there has not been a single reply from them to my emails.

It is called a confidence job.  If the first small transaction was never paid ... they would be able to steal one small transaction.  Scammers aren't dumb.  The early payments are in investment in the scam.  Payout a couple early transactions, and now they are "legit".   When the bigger transactions come in they have some "problems".  Interesting that the "solution" to their problems is you sending even more bitcoins no?  Eventually they go silent and just hope to catch noobs who stumble across them without researching first.  When that dries up the site will disappear and a new one with an amazing deal will pop up.

I really am sorry for your loss but once you see a couple hundred scams it becomes very obvious to spot them.  
The brand new site with "back history" appearing out of nowhere - check.
The long time bitcoiner who has never had an account at bitcointalk - check.
The better than anyone else but not too good deal - check.
The big logos of partners which don't stand up (virwox never heard of them) - check.
The swam of single digit users who appear out of nowhere asking about and vouching for the site - check.
The bogus delay tactics and requests for more money - check.

Well like I said I've successfully traded with them about 4x so far, so they are not 100% scamming everyone. The excuses they've given me so far are all that their system runs through an automated process that they can not control, and their developers are trying to change(fix) it.

What I am "hopeful" for, rather than blatantly calling them scammers, is that they have a legitimate, although unprofessional, reason for not paying me yet and not refunding the other people.

From my experience with them, I believe it is possible that they are not scammers, but instead bought an automated program for btc buying and selling from someone else, and the program is not working as they thought it would.  Since they did not make the script themselves, their developers would have to reverse engineer the program to learn how to make it perform differently. I am a programmer myself, so I understand that this is a lengthy painful process to do, especially when you do not know the original programmer who made the script.

If this is the case, when they run into an error or response they didn't expect, they wouldn't know how to resolve it. This is very unprofessional as they should have either wrote their own script based on the one they bought, or reverse engineered it and learned how to use their current script before launching it on their website. This would make then unprofessional idiots, not scammers.


So yes this is the "hopeful" scenario, but everyday I lose hope that they're trying to fix anything at all and they'll just quit and run with what they've taken.

Your losing hope?  It is a scam.  It always was a scam.  You give them Bitcoins, they give you nothing.  The system is working exactly as they intended.  I mean you have 5+ pages of documented evidence of a scam.  Why would a scammer who already robbed you of your bitcoins clean, give them back?

Any updates? I'm losing hope

I asked for a refund or payout, maybe around 7 days ago. They asked me to take down any negative reviews and when I did, they sai I would get my money in 48 hours.

Nothing till today, not even an email reply since the last 7 days. This guy is obviously not here for the long term. I have not bothered to post his emails, but if you see some of those you would realise that he is just here to scam people. No real company would treat their customers the way they did treat me.

I asked for a refund quite some time ago, I got a friendly e-mail promising to process it as soon as possible, no money has shown up obviously.

Hey Mav, Did you ask them to refund your btc? I want to see if anyone else gets a refund first before I tell them I want one.

They put in a lot of work to scam a few BTC, sure makes one think they could just as easily earn some honest bucks. But whatever, let us all take home a lesson from this and perhaps it will not be so easy for them next time.

Dont bother putting in more moeny....I have yet to get even a reply from these scammers since they last confirmed that they will pay me back. That was like 6 days ago.

Ask for a payout, though I dont know if you will get it or not.

OPTION 3!!!!!

Anyone ask for a refund yet? I have 3 options with my stuck btc:

1) I can pay them twice as much btc to make my transaction exit the "level" process. (Which I will never do)

2) I can wait for the "developers" to fix the "stuck in waiting" issue, which the guy said could take 1-2 weeks. Then if they ever do, I will be paid.

3) I can ask for a refund of my btc, which will take 7-10 days supposedly, and is irreversible once started.

Right now I'm at option 2. I have fully accepted that I will likely never see my money or btc again.

I agree that this site works occasionally for the first couple times using it, but as soon as you get stuck in their "level" system, your'e basically screwed. They keep asking for more and more money promising immediate payout like before, but they never deliver.

You know there are TWO threads about this right?

And you know some members with a few hundred posts has lost 4+ BTC to this, but you know that right?

Even if you are telling the truth no one will believe someone with so few posts. NO OFFENSE.

You should ask LikeTurgenev

He said he got paid, but I think he is part of the scam.

Anyone receive any money or an update from these sh*t heads?

Thanks man.

I'm really sorry you've lost all your BTC. I wish you the best of luck with all the means at your disposal for nailing this creep.