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^^People keep saying that something will destroy economy and it never really does, economy is already a horrible situation at the current moment so why would having a competition would ruin it? It should help it, that is the free market capitalism supported all these years. If banking is so bad that even a crypto currency type of experimental currency can destroy it, maybe that means banking should be destroyed and rebuilt? I mean after all crypto is nothing, it is a decentralized coin and if your company can't handle that maybe you should be gone.

Back in the day people were slaves, when slaves revolted people said without slaves companies couldn't make money, this is only 100-150 years ago (and there is slavery even today) what happened? Jeff Bezos has 200 billion dollars so I guess without slavery (even though it is close to slavery situation) it can continue. Do not mistake what media and companies are telling you with truth, crypto will improve the world and not destroy it.

Yeah money and debt is the new form of slavery these days. Which would mean that eventually the people had enough and start rebelling against the system, like it happened with slavery. When I look back at my grandparents, they saw 4 different type of currencies in their lifetime.  A new currency doesn't always mean a collapse of the central banks but in most cases they go hand in hand. If we look at the super rich and how fast their wealth is growing, while the average salary is not chancing much over the last 10 years, it is just a matter of time until the system will collapse.
legendary
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^^People keep saying that something will destroy economy and it never really does, economy is already a horrible situation at the current moment so why would having a competition would ruin it? It should help it, that is the free market capitalism supported all these years. If banking is so bad that even a crypto currency type of experimental currency can destroy it, maybe that means banking should be destroyed and rebuilt? I mean after all crypto is nothing, it is a decentralized coin and if your company can't handle that maybe you should be gone.

Back in the day people were slaves, when slaves revolted people said without slaves companies couldn't make money, this is only 100-150 years ago (and there is slavery even today) what happened? Jeff Bezos has 200 billion dollars so I guess without slavery (even though it is close to slavery situation) it can continue. Do not mistake what media and companies are telling you with truth, crypto will improve the world and not destroy it.
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This short crypto-economic piece explores the probability and impacts of Bitcoin triggering a collapse of our central banking systems and a reordering of the world's wealth structure.

Pre-Bitcoin, individuals were all trapped in a system where the Federal Reserve and other central banks around the world could create money at will and force people to purchase assets and consumer items so they would avoid inflation.  When fiat is saved, the velocity of money slows and economic activity grinds lower - for this reason the planners wished to encourage spending, and not saving, through quantitative easing.

Now we are seeing the wealthy, investment banks and treasury departments of companies OPTING OUT of this monetary riddle by taking their money "out of the matrix" and hiding it in Bitcoin to send their value into the future.  They do this because the value of assets today is too high, yet their cash and bonds are being eaten by fiat printing so they have to invest in something, anything.  Before they had no rational spending options and had to buy ever more overvalued real estate, stocks, and other financial instruments, but now they have a much better option: buying Bitcoin. 

The difference now is printing fiat does not encourage people to spend their money, the reverse is actually true when that lever is pulled, it encourages purchasing and HOARDING of Bitcoin in much the same way people hoarded cash during the great depression.  The more central banks print fiat, the more popular Bitcoin becomes as the smart money escapes the legacy monetary system, but it also works the other way around: the more Bitcoin that is bought, the more central banks are forced to print due to fiat leaving the system for Bitcoin, and a negative feedback loop ensues. 

To throw gas on the fire, this disappearing act of fiat into Bitcoin is starting to accelerate since the 2020 halvening event in May.  Not a day goes by when we don't hear of multiple billions being sunk into Bitcoin by a new financial institution, and much fewer Bitcoin are being sold than bought.  The Federal Reserve is seeing weakness in the economy and Congress announced they are printing another 1 trillion dollars to hand out to Americans; on the same day Bitcoin skyrocketed to all time highs.  At a certain point, the exponential flow into Bitcoin will begin to affect the fiat money supply by reducing it significantly.  This will cause deflation and the central bank will print orders of magnitude more fiat, which encourages ever more panicked Bitcoin purchases to preserve wealth, and the cycle continues.

This "Bitcoin Option" represents the leaks in the system our monetary planners didn't anticipate.  They either still do not see them or feel that they are impossible to stop due to the completely decentralized nature of Bitcoin.  There is no CEO to drag before congress, no central server to shut down.  These leaks may ultimately end up disrupting the entire banking system through hyperinflation with Bitcoin as an accelerant, and without a shot being fired.

I see a very uncomfortable future for those who don't own Bitcoin.  The transition to the new system is going to impoverish many of the middle class that weren't impoverished before.  The price of a whole coin is accelerating away from the financial reach of the middle class now and will continue to do so ($24,000 USD per coin as of today).  As Bitcoin appreciates higher and higher, the US dollar and other currencies continue to debase themselves trying to catch up in overall value, the planners fill the gas tank faster as it continues to pour out onto the road. 

In the end, a complete reordering of the entire global economic system will need to occur as the world economy stalls in its depreciating orbit and is caught in the gravity well that is Bitcoin, the new world reserve currency.  Millions of people will lose their fixed income, cash and bonds to hyper-inflation while Bitcoiners become the new global wealthy, leisurely floating over the tidal wave of devalued dollars, in an ocean of paper money.  The Federal government disappears like the Soviet Union as their financial instruments fail completely and there is a physical struggle for control as the power structure decentralizes.  Crypto exchanges become our new economic pillars that control transfer into and out of the financial matrix as people desperately attempt to secure a handful of Satoshis, as the price of a full Bitcoin moves completely out of sight. 

The haves and the have nots are reordered, into the early adopters and the late comers, those with Bitcoin and those without.


I have also recently seen a lot of information about the collapse of the current financial system and about the way out of this situation through Bitcoin, but all this casts doubt on this information, since usually no one talks about what will happen next. What is the point of those who want to change something to shout about it? I believe that the whole story with the collapse of the Baknov system is more of an information cover. It is likely that just someone really wants to get all the money in the world and the question arises, who benefits from it? It is beneficial for banks to control the financial system and people, making money on this constantly, but here we see the luring of big money. There is an opinion that they want to mitigate the collapse of the dollar system at the expense of cryptocurrencies, or even raise money and cash out the US debt, but destroy the banking system? I don’t think this is exactly the case, although I could also be wrong.
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The moment when Bitcoin really threaten the Fiat system, governments will step in to "ban" it and to protect it. We saw massive bailouts to Banks and the traditional fiat economy when it nearly collapsed in 2018. Do you think for one moment that governments will allow any disruption to take place, without them fighting back?

We will see much stronger regulations and laws being promulgated in the future, to protect Fiat currencies. The other option that they will have, is to develop their own "GovCoin" (They will use tax payers money to fund it and developers will queue to get those government tenders)  Roll Eyes
How can Bitcoin cause the collapse of the banking system? Bitcoin does not threaten its existence at all. If the banking system felt this, then the states would immediately react to it very sharply, up to the prohibition of cryptocurrency. Despite various optimistic statements on this matter, the cryptocurrency has no chance of resisting the states. Therefore, it is better for a cryptocurrency to try to coexist peacefully with the currencies of states and their banking system.

they coexist together now. the problem with some countries is that the central banks or the banks own the state not the other way round which is why there is no collapse that will happen. the government will still have their control back when they finalize their CBDC. cryptocurrency isn't losing though because it's still going to be adopted as well. it's the tax that is going to be their next target which could be terrifying of all.


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The moment when Bitcoin really threaten the Fiat system, governments will step in to "ban" it and to protect it. We saw massive bailouts to Banks and the traditional fiat economy when it nearly collapsed in 2018. Do you think for one moment that governments will allow any disruption to take place, without them fighting back?

We will see much stronger regulations and laws being promulgated in the future, to protect Fiat currencies. The other option that they will have, is to develop their own "GovCoin" (They will use tax payers money to fund it and developers will queue to get those government tenders)  Roll Eyes
How can Bitcoin cause the collapse of the banking system? Bitcoin does not threaten its existence at all. If the banking system felt this, then the states would immediately react to it very sharply, up to the prohibition of cryptocurrency. Despite various optimistic statements on this matter, the cryptocurrency has no chance of resisting the states. Therefore, it is better for a cryptocurrency to try to coexist peacefully with the currencies of states and their banking system.
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February 25, 2021, 05:33:22 PM
I do not think this is ever going to happen, not when we still the Fed. I mean the govt, that's their own way of securing the economy of any country. The government of any country through the central bank of the country makes rules and regulations to monitor the ins and outs of the country's economy. When the economy is not controlled what do you think will happen to such economy. This is one of the reasons banks can never collapse. Even if other small banks do. The apex bank can never at all. And if we still have the apex bank, definitely we will surely have the local banks around. Being it commercial banks or the Microfinance banks they will also be operating.
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February 23, 2021, 10:23:31 AM
The central banks of individual countries may experience huge problems, but they are usually not a catalyst for the financial problems of the state, because central banks usually perform a purely technical role of regulating the financial processes of the state. As long as the current system of government exists, there will continue to be a system of fiat currencies with central banks, and the opposite means only chaos and an emergency.

Exactly. It's practically impossible for central banks to collapse in their entirety since they're directly tied to the government. As long as governments force the use of Fiat currencies for mainstream payments, central banks won't be going anywhere. Bitcoin is only an alternative currency for those who want financial freedom. It'll never replace banks, because they're too big too fail. The only way this could happen is if governments adopt Bitcoin and other decentralized cryptocurrencies as the standard medium of exchange. But that's only a dream since governments want something they can control or manipulate. And we all know that Bitcoin goes against what has been established in the first place.

Nonetheless, CBDCs will ensure central banks will last for long in this highly-evolving world. They will adopt crypto/Blockchain tech for their own benefit. It may turn out that both Bitcoin and CBDCs will co-exist for many generations. There will be a clash between the decentralized world of crypto and the centralized world of bankers. People will ultimately decide whenever they'd want to support one side from the other or both. Just my thoughts Grin
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February 22, 2021, 06:40:20 PM
Or central banks will just adopt blockchain tech and will make other crypto illigal. Thats sounds more realistic for me
They have been into blockchain technology for many years now. Because after all banks processed tons of data and they could really take advantage of blockchain in this matter. There are even arguments that it can save them a lot of money as well if they are going to adopt it.
I don't understand what you mean make other crypto illegal. But in any case, bitcoin will not trigger any collapse of this old system.
I absolutely agree that blockchain technology can be used in different areas and is not an exclusive inseparable part of bitcoin, and the use of blockchain in the banking sector does not pose any threats to cryptocurrencies at all. In fact, cryptocurrencies and central banks may well co-exist peacefully and there seems to be less hostility from financial regulators, but we must understand that in any case, under any conditions, the main priority for central banks will always be fiat currencies.
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February 22, 2021, 02:09:38 PM
Bitcoin cannot trigger central bank to collapse because the founder of bitcoin, Satoshi Nakamoto did not create bitcoin to collapse central bank. Government will not allow anything that will collapse fiat money to stand in the country than to do everything possible to eliminate such thing in the country.

Here are some of the things Bitcoin cannot trigger central bank collapse:

1• Authority: The government has the authority to make sure there is money calculation all over the state. The government don't need to take any permission from anybody before money can be in calculation.

2• Equipment: The government has all the equipment to produce and re-produce any amount of money the government know that can save the government central bank not to collapse. Since government is not control by decentralized currency no way decentralized currency can collapse centralized currency.
I think there is also laws that prevent such a thing from happening as well, and the fact is that governments could decide to print or even burn money in order to decide what is going to happen with the economy of that nation makes sure that there is no problems at all.

For example one nation could print a ton of money, get bitcoins with it, make their own currency less valuable because they printed so much but overtime when bitcoin becomes a lot richer, they could gradually burn their fiat to make it more worthy eventually, and that way we could honestly live a lot better, obviously it is not going to be overnight success, but nations could use crypto to actually HELP central banks, which is a proof that it is not here to collapse central banks, it is just here and how you use it will decide on what it will do and if you use it smartly it will be of great help.
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February 21, 2021, 08:31:14 AM
Otherwise. 2008 banking collapse "triggered" Bitcoin invention. If the financial crisis hadn't happened, Satoshi would have never invented Bitcoin.
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February 21, 2021, 07:33:16 AM
Or central banks will just adopt blockchain tech and will make other crypto illigal. Thats sounds more realistic for me
They have been into blockchain technology for many years now. Because after all banks processed tons of data and they could really take advantage of blockchain in this matter. There are even arguments that it can save them a lot of money as well if they are going to adopt it.

I don't understand what you mean make other crypto illegal. But in any case, bitcoin will not trigger any collapse of this old system.
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February 21, 2021, 01:09:07 AM
Or central banks will just adopt blockchain tech and will make other crypto illigal. Thats sounds more realistic for me
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February 21, 2021, 12:15:26 AM
Bitcoin cannot trigger central bank to collapse because the founder of bitcoin, Satoshi Nakamoto did not create bitcoin to collapse central bank. Government will not allow anything that will collapse fiat money to stand in the country than to do everything possible to eliminate such thing in the country.

Here are some of the things Bitcoin cannot trigger central bank collapse:

1• Authority: The government has the authority to make sure there is money calculation all over the state. The government don't need to take any permission from anybody before money can be in calculation.

2• Equipment: The government has all the equipment to produce and re-produce any amount of money the government know that can save the government central bank not to collapse. Since government is not control by decentralized currency no way decentralized currency can collapse centralized currency.

legendary
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February 20, 2021, 06:58:13 PM
Long story short I agree that Central banks can never collapse.
The central banks of individual countries may experience huge problems, but they are usually not a catalyst for the financial problems of the state, because central banks usually perform a purely technical role of regulating the financial processes of the state. As long as the current system of government exists, there will continue to be a system of fiat currencies with central banks, and the opposite means only chaos and an emergency.
legendary
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February 20, 2021, 01:46:44 PM
#99
Collapse?

It is a thing that wont really happen to banks, as long government do exist then this institution would stay.
Its better not to expect too much with crypto about taking down banks because this is really an impossible thing
to happen.

There might be some advantages but doesn't mean that it will totally crippled out typical banking system.
Still lots had been trusting the good old fiat days rather than on completely trusting the whole
crypto system.

So let it be just like that.
Central banks are not business' that should be kept alive and can bankrupt, they are just organizations that basically controls a big portion of a nation's economy, but there is really nothing they could bankrupt, there is really no problem for them since there is no profit or loss for them.

Sure they could "profit" by providing quick loans to huge banks and make money from it, and reissue that profit when the nation needs money without disturbing the market and creating huge inflation, that is a way it could profit, or they could print countless amount of cash and drop the value of it which could be considered failed economy, but they do not bankrupt like a business, they just become good or bad that's it. Zimbabwe and Venezuela has one, they are still printing money and there is really nothing to care about. Long story short I agree that Central banks can never collapse.
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February 19, 2021, 05:08:17 AM
#98
It could be.

Like it or not, the vision of a world in which these currencies liberate money from the clutches of central banks.

And i believe in the future almost everyone will stick with the crypto money.
Pep talk always feel good but the truth is that as long as governments exist there will be banking system and hence there is no way the central banks can collapse just because an anonymous asset is dominating the market. Imagine if dollar was doing good will other countries collapse? No way, similarly if an asset is going good doesn't mean others will collapse.

Actually for once we also need to consider that the value of Bitcoins is determined by how much fiat we are getting from selling the bitcoins and if there are no banks or no currency then I am just unable to even imagine how it would all go. Are we going back to the barter system that was in place years ago? I don't think this is happening ever.
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February 17, 2021, 12:44:14 PM
#97
Currently I see this scenario very far, since this scenario has already been envisioned or is being lived in countries like Venezuela, where its currency is totally useless, where all economists have failed their solutions and it really is a very unusual economy .

Inflation is huge, and despite everything people looked for alternative economies, the dollar, the Colombian peso is what moves the most in the country, the bolivar is what its currency represents, it is nothing more than that, having Bitcoin or Any cryptocurrency, the particular economy improves, bitcoin cannot threaten the FIAT system, governments always find solutions to find liquidity for them by devaluations, in a very difficult case to control, the first thing they will do through the banks is to put playpens .

In this, what can increase is the debt, that problem comes from many years ago, long before Bitcoin was invented.
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February 17, 2021, 12:30:42 PM
#96
The moment when Bitcoin really threaten the Fiat system, governments will step in to "ban" it and to protect it. We saw massive bailouts to Banks and the traditional fiat economy when it nearly collapsed in 2018. Do you think for one moment that governments will allow any disruption to take place, without them fighting back?

We will see much stronger regulations and laws being promulgated in the future, to protect Fiat currencies. The other option that they will have, is to develop their own "GovCoin" (They will use tax payers money to fund it and developers will queue to get those government tenders)  Roll Eyes
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February 17, 2021, 12:20:37 PM
#95
If that happens it also means a collapse for Bitcoins because to operate and trade Bitcoins we do need humans and if everyone is dead we don't have any possible way of keep Bitcoins alive either. As much as I like Bitcoins, I believe there is no possible scenario where the banks would collapse but the Bitcoins won't.

I don't think Bitcoin will collapse after central banks' demise in the mainstream world. While Fiat is used as a unit of account to measure Bitcoin's price, people can decide to change this in the long run. By the time central banks collapse, people will be using Bitcoin as the new unit of account. It will enable a truly decentralized economy like never before. But I doubt central banks will collapse anytime soon, as they're too big to fail. As long as governments depend on central banks for the issuance of new Fiat money, they won't be going anywhere. Central banks will eventually adapt themselves to the latest trends in technology. Already, some countries' central banks have announced the launch of CBDCs of their own. This will keep Fiat in-par with crypto for years on end.

Nonetheless, it seems to me that both banks and crypto will co-exist for many generations. Neither Bitcoin or central banks will be going anywhere. There will be a clash between the centralized and decentralized economy. People will get to decide which economy to support in the long run. Remember, Bitcoin was never meant to replace banks. It was created to serve as an alternative to the current monetary system empowered by central banks and governments worldwide. Banks will only become more powerful as they gain greater surveillance with the launch of CBDCs. Just my opinion Smiley
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February 09, 2021, 01:35:11 PM
#94
It seems unlikely that crypto will trigger the collapse of the central bank, because there is a government behind the central bank and that will keep the central bank going.
True. Neither the banks can trigger a crypto collapse nor the vice versa is true because while crypto are powered by the people and controlled by us, banks are always under the government and a collapse of banks would mean a collapse of the whole country to be honest.

the only thing that could collapse a central bank are wars that have a scorch earth policy. Or a virus that wipes out the population.
If that happens it also means a collapse for Bitcoins because to operate and trade Bitcoins we do need humans and if everyone is dead we don't have any possible way of keep Bitcoins alive either. As much as I like Bitcoins, I believe there is no possible scenario where the banks would collapse but the Bitcoins won't.
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