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December 28, 2014, 04:18:50 PM
#45
... but holding Dollars now seem very risky...

Bro, over the past year the dollar has lost less buying power than BTC has over the past 24hrs.  Learn life.

Keeping Dollar instead of Bitcoin was a good trade this year but long term I don't think it will. Rich people have their wealth in assets not fiat.
You need to look at a much longer time frame then just one year when determining how good of an investment something is/was. Looking at a one year ROI is an arbitrary short time frame. If you were to double that and look at a 2 year ROI you will see that someone who purchased bitcoin this time in 2012 would have grown their money by ~30x while the value of their dollar would have been roughly the same (there was very low inflation over the past 2 years)

A year timeframe is far from "arbitrary."  37 days would be arbitrary.  2 years would be arbitrary,  A year is a natural.
A year is also far from "short" for Bitcoin--Bitcoin's entire history is 5 years, 3 of which were spent in single-digit obscurity.

But hey, if Bitcoin is going to be huge in 9009, I think I'll pass on it for the time being.
On a more positive note, Bitcoin's been getting some recognition lately.  What was it, "The worst investment of 2014"?
Your statement is true for financial statements however it is misleading when measuring the performance of investments. There have been many scandals where mutual fund companies had used specific measurements to make it look like their funds' performance was better then the index they were trying to beat by measuring at arbitrary times, over arbitrary timeframes.

Anytime you want to measure an investment's performance you want to look at as long as a timeframe as possible to get the most accurate result

In that case, Bitcoin is an infinitely good investment, its IPO price was 0 [zero].
This also makes Dogecoin, Litecoin, and every shitcoin still being mined an infinitely good investment.

If it's not obvious (and, on this forum, I've learned to take nothing for granted), I'm joking.
Investing in a pyramid scheme is smart, provided you know that it's a scheme & can get out early.  Investing in one when it's starting to crumble is not.
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December 28, 2014, 04:02:23 PM
#44
... but holding Dollars now seem very risky...

Bro, over the past year the dollar has lost less buying power than BTC has over the past 24hrs.  Learn life.

Keeping Dollar instead of Bitcoin was a good trade this year but long term I don't think it will. Rich people have their wealth in assets not fiat.
You need to look at a much longer time frame then just one year when determining how good of an investment something is/was. Looking at a one year ROI is an arbitrary short time frame. If you were to double that and look at a 2 year ROI you will see that someone who purchased bitcoin this time in 2012 would have grown their money by ~30x while the value of their dollar would have been roughly the same (there was very low inflation over the past 2 years)

A year timeframe is far from "arbitrary."  37 days would be arbitrary.  2 years would be arbitrary,  A year is a natural.
A year is also far from "short" for Bitcoin--Bitcoin's entire history is 5 years, 3 of which were spent in single-digit obscurity.

But hey, if Bitcoin is going to be huge in 9009, I think I'll pass on it for the time being.
On a more positive note, Bitcoin's been getting some recognition lately.  What was it, "The worst investment of 2014"?
Your statement is true for financial statements however it is misleading when measuring the performance of investments. There have been many scandals where mutual fund companies had used specific measurements to make it look like their funds' performance was better then the index they were trying to beat by measuring at arbitrary times, over arbitrary timeframes.

Anytime you want to measure an investment's performance you want to look at as long as a timeframe as possible to get the most accurate result
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December 27, 2014, 03:55:33 PM
#43
... but holding Dollars now seem very risky...

Bro, over the past year the dollar has lost less buying power than BTC has over the past 24hrs.  Learn life.

Keeping Dollar instead of Bitcoin was a good trade this year but long term I don't think it will. Rich people have their wealth in assets not fiat.
You need to look at a much longer time frame then just one year when determining how good of an investment something is/was. Looking at a one year ROI is an arbitrary short time frame. If you were to double that and look at a 2 year ROI you will see that someone who purchased bitcoin this time in 2012 would have grown their money by ~30x while the value of their dollar would have been roughly the same (there was very low inflation over the past 2 years)

A year timeframe is far from "arbitrary."  37 days would be arbitrary.  2 years would be arbitrary,  A year is a natural.
A year is also far from "short" for Bitcoin--Bitcoin's entire history is 5 years, 3 of which were spent in single-digit obscurity.

But hey, if Bitcoin is going to be huge in 9009, I think I'll pass on it for the time being.
On a more positive note, Bitcoin's been getting some recognition lately.  What was it, "The worst investment of 2014"?

What the fuck does "natural" even mean?

A year is absolutely arbitrary. The market doesn't care about the laws of the universe or how long the orbital period of Earth moving around sun is.

It is a standard measure of time used by Earthlings, being "the orbital period of the Earth moving in its orbit around the Sun."
When I speak to Earthlings about Bitcoiners, I often suggest that a typical Bitcoiner's financial acumen is that of a five-year-old, instead of "2.5 two_year-old," or "49 37-day-old)."

Financial statements are also not typically issued in "2-yearly" or "37-day" statements.
Hope this helps Smiley
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December 27, 2014, 03:41:32 PM
#42
On a more positive note, Bitcoin's been getting some recognition lately.  What was it, "The worst investment of 2014"?

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December 27, 2014, 03:38:39 PM
#41
... but holding Dollars now seem very risky...

Bro, over the past year the dollar has lost less buying power than BTC has over the past 24hrs.  Learn life.

Keeping Dollar instead of Bitcoin was a good trade this year but long term I don't think it will. Rich people have their wealth in assets not fiat.
You need to look at a much longer time frame then just one year when determining how good of an investment something is/was. Looking at a one year ROI is an arbitrary short time frame. If you were to double that and look at a 2 year ROI you will see that someone who purchased bitcoin this time in 2012 would have grown their money by ~30x while the value of their dollar would have been roughly the same (there was very low inflation over the past 2 years)

A year timeframe is far from "arbitrary."  37 days would be arbitrary.  2 years would be arbitrary,  A year is a natural.
A year is also far from "short" for Bitcoin--Bitcoin's entire history is 5 years, 3 of which were spent in single-digit obscurity.

But hey, if Bitcoin is going to be huge in 9009, I think I'll pass on it for the time being.
On a more positive note, Bitcoin's been getting some recognition lately.  What was it, "The worst investment of 2014"?

What the fuck does "natural" even mean?

A year is absolutely arbitrary. The market doesn't care about the laws of the universe or how long the orbital period of Earth moving around sun is.
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December 27, 2014, 03:28:44 PM
#40
... but holding Dollars now seem very risky...

Bro, over the past year the dollar has lost less buying power than BTC has over the past 24hrs.  Learn life.

Keeping Dollar instead of Bitcoin was a good trade this year but long term I don't think it will. Rich people have their wealth in assets not fiat.
You need to look at a much longer time frame then just one year when determining how good of an investment something is/was. Looking at a one year ROI is an arbitrary short time frame. If you were to double that and look at a 2 year ROI you will see that someone who purchased bitcoin this time in 2012 would have grown their money by ~30x while the value of their dollar would have been roughly the same (there was very low inflation over the past 2 years)

A year timeframe is far from "arbitrary."  37 days would be arbitrary.  2 years would be arbitrary,  A year is a natural.
A year is also far from "short" for Bitcoin--Bitcoin's entire history is 5 years, 3 of which were spent in single-digit obscurity.

But hey, if Bitcoin is going to be huge in 9009, I think I'll pass on it for the time being.
On a more positive note, Bitcoin's been getting some recognition lately.  What was it, "The worst investment of 2014"?
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December 27, 2014, 03:24:06 PM
#39
i think it will take a long time to see the price mark of 2K atleast we won't able to see this price in 2015
the max we can hope for 2015 is 800-850$ again, and i will happy with that price
about 2K price it can happen at next block reward halving

2K is lot more than 320$ but if bitcoin holders and miners sell less and we have more buyers we will go to this price fast.
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December 27, 2014, 03:16:01 PM
#38
... but holding Dollars now seem very risky...

Bro, over the past year the dollar has lost less buying power than BTC has over the past 24hrs.  Learn life.

Keeping Dollar instead of Bitcoin was a good trade this year but long term I don't think it will. Rich people have their wealth in assets not fiat.
You need to look at a much longer time frame then just one year when determining how good of an investment something is/was. Looking at a one year ROI is an arbitrary short time frame. If you were to double that and look at a 2 year ROI you will see that someone who purchased bitcoin this time in 2012 would have grown their money by ~30x while the value of their dollar would have been roughly the same (there was very low inflation over the past 2 years)
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December 27, 2014, 12:54:55 PM
#37
i think it will take a long time to see the price mark of 2K atleast we won't able to see this price in 2015
the max we can hope for 2015 is 800-850$ again, and i will happy with that price
about 2K price it can happen at next block reward halving
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December 27, 2014, 12:38:45 PM
#36
... but holding Dollars now seem very risky...

Bro, over the past year the dollar has lost less buying power than BTC has over the past 24hrs.  Learn life.

Keeping Dollar instead of Bitcoin was a good trade this year but long term I don't think it will. Rich people have their wealth in assets not fiat.
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December 27, 2014, 06:36:55 AM
#35
A lot of people expect the next halving to have a substantial impact on bitcoin's price.
Hopefully, we see a bull run by then.
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December 26, 2014, 01:08:40 PM
#34
I see quite a few posts of people predicting that btc will reach 2k this year, I just wondered what your reasonings for it were?

When gox fell completely I expected the price to go back up, but it seems to have just stalled around the 300 mark even after their dimise.

I am just wondering with all the other coins now out there, why do you think it will go straight back up and to 2k or beyond?



Mostly people speculate on past events. History of Bitcoin and history of Human economy.

People live inside their own world.

They seem to ignore the part where realilty and fantasy are two completely different things.

When you just take the time and review the market, you will know that $2K is not reasonable and won't happen in 2015.

I dont have such skills as other do have. So i just cant do it by myself. I think many people does. And so they buy and sell it at price that it is out there now.
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December 25, 2014, 03:36:34 PM
#33
I see quite a few posts of people predicting that btc will reach 2k this year, I just wondered what your reasonings for it were?

I am just wondering with all the other coins now out there, why do you think it will go straight back up and to 2k or beyond?



What are peoples reasonings for making such a prediction? Simple. They want it to go to that price. Will it? Not for a while. Keep promoting bitcoin and the bigger it gets so will hopefully the price.
They are also making such predictions because we have seen similarly sized (in terms of percentage gains) gains in the past. Despite the fact that the difference between the high and the low price of bitcoin is a 70% difference, 2014 has been one of the least volatile years for the price that bitcoin has ever seen
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December 25, 2014, 01:22:03 PM
#32
... but holding Dollars now seem very risky...

Bro, over the past year the dollar has lost less buying power than BTC has over the past 24hrs.  Learn life.
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December 25, 2014, 01:10:54 PM
#31
... and I am very bearish for USD.

That's why you are poor:  The USD value has at least doubled rel. BTC over the past year.  Learn to make better calls.  Get good, bro Undecided
@vssa:  Continue learning, I'm rootin' 4 u!



Selling Bitcoin a year ago and buying some now was a good trade but holding Dollars now seem very risky when the fed and banks are likely to create a lot of them and the use of dollar is likely to go down.
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December 25, 2014, 12:57:46 PM
#30
... and I am very bearish for USD.

That's why you are poor:  The USD value has at least doubled rel. BTC over the past year.  Learn to make better calls.  Get good, bro Undecided
@vssa:  Continue learning, I'm rootin' 4 u!

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December 25, 2014, 12:50:11 PM
#29
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As you can see  blockchain technology is growing in price

Blockchain technology is not growing in price any more than TCP/IP technology is growing in price.  It is free.

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(or as you say in value, USD .btw I hope you are not measuring all values in USD).

Teh USD is the defacto money of international commerce.



The percentage of international transactions labelled in USD is going down overtime and I am very bearish for USD.
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December 25, 2014, 12:43:06 PM
#28
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or what do you think that just because 99% of the population think the same that makes it a truth.

Learn what "defacto" means before typing Smiley
Definitions of de facto
adverb
in fact, or in effect, whether by right or not.
"the island has been de facto divided into two countries"
synonyms: in practice, in effect, in fact, in reality, really, actually
adjective
denoting someone or something that is such in fact.
"a de facto one-party system"
synonyms: actual, real, effective
  Shocked
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December 25, 2014, 12:19:29 PM
#27
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or what do you think that just because 99% of the population think the same that makes it a truth.

Learn what "defacto" means before typing Smiley
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December 25, 2014, 12:00:55 PM
#26
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As you can see  blockchain technology is growing in price

Blockchain technology is not growing in price any more than TCP/IP technology is growing in price.  It is free.
Ok
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(or as you say in value, USD .btw I hope you are not measuring all values in USD).

Teh USD is the defacto money of international commerce.


Teh gold is the defacto money of international commerce.
Teh Bitcoin  is the defacto free money of the Internet.
or what do you think that just because 99% of the population think the same that makes it a truth.
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