Topic: Bitcoin value fall and Mt Gox (Read 1886 times)

Maybe all sellers should simply ask for more?  I've been selling my coins on Cryptsy and asking a little above the current price, I don't mind waiting a bit.  Selling them at the current buying bid just lets them fall.

If I have a large quantity of coins, I don't keep them in any bank or exchange, they're on my own computer.  If I have a very large quantity, I make multiple copies of the wallet, encrypt them, and keep them in seperate safe places.  Why do people trust these exchanges?

Everyone keeps talking about Mt. Gox, Mt. Gox, Mt. Gox. As though Mt. Gox is solely responsible for the current price drop. Do you guys remember the many other major issues and warning signs that there were with Mt. Gox long before the latest clusterfuck? Other exchanges have lost or stolen funds as well. I really think the whole Mt. Gox card is being overplayed just a bit.

The rise from $100 to $1000 was supported by two things

1. People unable to withdraw USD from MtGox were bidding up the BTC price to withdraw in BTC
2. Growth of BTC use in China

I think people underestimate the factor #1...

Mtgox mess everyone up. It wasn't only since mtgox, before it collapse it were creating bad aura all over the place.

Now with no more bad players, there shall be other solutions for our problems.

Please elaborate on the bank abuse, this sounds intriguing.

MT.gox were putting bad influence on cryptocurrencies for many months. Without it future can only be brighter.

Some people might not have trust towards bitcoin but more and mroe big players are starting to get into this business. Recently even some banks considered to adapt bitcoin to abuse transaction system.

Better times are coming, probably pretty soon 
Every day we get closer to the start of the next big rally.

mt gox is bad nightmare, but long gone
worry not, better times coming

Ebay did say they liked the idea.

I'm not advocating full on salaries at this early stage but small steps would help. Think ebay, craigslist, freelance sites, fiverr, etc. If people got paid even a small amount directly in crypto, they would have an incentive to spend it like currency.

Catch 22, it won't stabilise until people do the above, and people won't do the above until it's stable.  Would you want all your wages to be paid in something that could halve in price in a week?  Think how many bankruptcies we'd have when company's assets took dives.

I believe what is needed is a balanced economy. That means it can't be 99% transactions between miners and investors/speculators with an occasional real purchase transaction thrown in here and there - it should be MAJORITY regular transactions with a small percentage investment/mining. This will take time but it does need to happen. Also, some people need to be getting paid for labor and services directly in Bitcoin. Think about it, why would a regular person go through the trouble of obtaining Bitcoin or any other digital currency, to make purchases, when they could just use a credit card? Well, if they received Bitcoin as payment then they would go ahead and save or spend it just like fiat.

There's a whole article about this concept here: http://www.cryptopros.com/2014/03/working-for-cryptocurrency.html

Also, if businesses could pay employees in crypto they would have an incentive to hold the crypto they receive as payment for their goods/services, to use it to pay employees, rather than immediately exchanging it to fiat.

Good explanation.  So will Bitcoin ever stabilise properly?  I can't see it being a good currency if it's going to fluctuate wildly forever.  Maybe when it starts getting used to purchase goods more?

They do sometimes, when there is crazy hype around some new idea or technology or patent etc etc etc. But not as much as Bitcoin. Here's why.

With stocks, the value is based on SOMETHING. You can look at the company's income, assets, debt, patents, leadership, etc to determine what you think its shares are 'worth.' When the price starts to increase, and keeps increasing, some investors will start to throw up a red flag and say well hold on now, why should I pay $20 a share more for this than it was selling for 3 months ago? What has changed - did they suddenly enter a new market, develop a new product, or increase their income? Is the earnings per share higher? No? Then fuck you, it's not worth the current price and I'm not going to be a bag holder. Then the price settles down again.

With stock there are definite levels where buy support will decrease, and levels where sell support will decrease, that tend to be based loosely on various assessments of what a "fair" share price should be. People try to talk about resistance levels and support and all that with crypto but they are just making asses of themselves about 90% of the time. There is a difference between a true "support" that is based on sound investment logic, compared to a "support" that is just based on 50000000 idiots stampeding in the same direction.

With Bitcoin what exactly is the value based on? Who decided it should be worth over $1000? Where did that come from? It literally came from 50000000 idiots stampeding in one direction. Until the last swarm turned around and realized oh shit there's no one behind us, we were the last ones to the party. Now we're stuck holding $1000 bitcoins that aren't worth $1000 anymore.

Why didn't anyone step up and say now hold on a minute, what the hell are you smoking asking $1000 for a "bitcoin," where did you come up with that value? I'm sure some people did, but the fact is that both sides - for and against - have basically no hard evidence to support any particular price for Bitcoin. It's all just speculation and nonsense, like these people that keep saying IT MUST HIT $10000 or IT WILL SINK BACK DOWN To $5! They have no real hard evidence. There is no legitimate way to assess the value of a Bitcoin at present time so it is 100% based on psychology.

How come shares in companies don't fluctuate so wildly then?

Exactly. The massive price surges were based on NOTHING it was literally just one idiot after another lining up and buying the next hot thing because it kept going up. The problem is eventually that has to come crashing down and sure enough it did. I would liken it to the crazed dotcom investing frenzy... many companies' stock prices were driven up to absurd levels and then 'crashed' simply because the level they had reached was unsustainable without continuous investment by new bagholders.

Well it was claimed people lost a lot of money when Mt Gox went under.  I don't see how, you would only lose the bit of money you were currently exchanging.

News stories said confidence was lost because of Mt Gox.

If it falls any further, all coins will be worthless, it's getting ridiculous.

mt gox wasn't bank. Price of bitcoin get up because of speculation. People lose some confidence into bitcoin and it was already on falling trend before that.

Er, in English please?