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February 06, 2013, 06:05:28 PM
#46
I think it's more of a general comment though.  For example, in the truecrypt video I lost count of the number of times you told me the encrypted files were all really just one big file called boring.dat.

One time you called it something different too - not "truecrypt" but something else - "drivecrypt" perhaps?  I forget.  Maybe there's a similar product you got mixed up with.

Are you Keith by the way?

I wish that I were!  But alas, I am just a CBT employee who happened to already have accounts on the Bitcoin forums.  I do e-mail him though, so I can get information to him.

This isn't a "so I have a friend named Keith..." situation.
legendary
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February 06, 2013, 03:13:20 PM
#45
There have been a number of comments to the effect of "too long to get to it" on the first video, but I think that one in particular was intended for people who were completely unfamiliar with Bitcoin and needed to first understand why we would need an alternative currency type to begin with.

I think it's more of a general comment though.  For example, in the truecrypt video I lost count of the number of times you told me the encrypted files were all really just one big file called boring.dat.

One time you called it something different too - not "truecrypt" but something else - "drivecrypt" perhaps?  I forget.  Maybe there's a similar product you got mixed up with.

Are you Keith by the way?
newbie
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February 06, 2013, 10:55:38 AM
#44
We appreciate the feedback, Dooglus.  I will be making a list from all of the comments in these forums to make sure that we can address the issues, though for the published ones it might have to come at the end once the upcoming videos in the series are done. 

There have been a number of comments to the effect of "too long to get to it" on the first video, but I think that one in particular was intended for people who were completely unfamiliar with Bitcoin and needed to first understand why we would need an alternative currency type to begin with.
legendary
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February 06, 2013, 06:11:40 AM
#43
The videos are pretty good, but I found they're much longer than they need to be to cover the ground.  Get to the point.

There are a few mistakes.  Wish I'd made notes as I watched.  One was when you claim to be able to send fractions of a bitcent without incurring a few, when you can't.  You show on blockchain.info's wallet where you send 0.0001 or so and it shows up as 0.0006 (0.0005 is fee).  That's a 500% fee!  Smiley  In general if a transaction has any output that's less than 0.01 BTC then a fee of at least 0.0005 BTC is required.

You keep talking about addresses being "linked to a wallet", whereas a wallet is really just a bunch of private keys, each of which corresponds to an address.  The same private key can be in multiple wallets, and there's no "link" from an address to a wallet - it's more the other way around.  The wallet contains the address.

Also, in the paper wallet video you forgot to blur out the private keys.  I guess they've been emptied by now.  The couple  I checked were empty already.

Also in the paper wallet one, you suggest taking a photo of your paper wallet printout and keeping it online.  That's a pretty bad idea, even if you do keep the photo encrypted.  The whole point of paper wallets is that you don't trust your computer not to have malware on it.
newbie
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February 06, 2013, 01:02:59 AM
#42
Sgt Spike:  I thought that as I was posting using the pronoun "we" in all of the answers to the first reply regarding the browser problems, it would be understood that I work at CBT Nuggets.

I have taken, and continue to take, full responsibility and admit my error, and I have already apologized to other members who posted in the thread personally.  As soon as I saw that there was an problem I issued a literal "mea culpa," and I extend the apology to you as well.

To be clear, I am fully recognizing that I made a mistake, and I thought that I had done so earlier, but lest I once again cause confusion:  I screwed up, and I am sorry.
legendary
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February 05, 2013, 11:27:37 PM
#41
Hi everyone,

This was not an attempt to deceive, this is just a segmentation issue.  We have a social team who is responsible for handling all of our social media efforts, while I am just the web analytics guy who is also a Bitcoin enthusiast.  I'm not in sales, and the series is free, which I tried to emphasize, so I didn't mean any harm.

I knew that this link was going to go out on the official channels on Twitter, FB, and reddit, but I was afraid that it wouldn't hit the places I personally thought that it would be most valuable, in these threads where I tend to be.

I thought that from my posts it was clear that I was involved, but I could have done a better job of making that clear at the beginning, which also would have made it obvious that my posts here were in only a semi-official capacity as a guy who loves Bitcoin and is excited that his company does too.

This is why we have people who do this professionally, and I shouldn't have stepped on their toes, but I assure you that I just wanted to make sure more people saw that we had a free Bitcoin video series.

Mea culpa, but I would still love to see feedback on the actual video content.
Please share how your first post made it "clear that [you] were involved"?  Because I fail to see it.

Stop beating around the bush.  Just admit that you screwed up.  This WAS an attempt to deceive (you were trying to make us believe that you were unaffiliated with the content you were advertising) - you attempted to share the videos as a third party when you were not.

I am very willing to forgive and forget when the person who screwed up is willing to admit their mistake.  But when you refuse to admit your mistake, it just makes you look bad and digs you a deeper hole.
legendary
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electronic [r]evolution
February 05, 2013, 10:05:55 PM
#40
I watched about half of the first video. It's not bad but I found it to be a little over simplified and as someone else mentioned, he does take too long to get to the point.
legendary
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February 05, 2013, 09:15:16 PM
#39
Let's not forget that they don't appear to be selling a product and that this is a free video for the benefit of educating outsiders on bitcoin. Seems like that should also count for something positive!
They do sell a product and a brand.  These particular videos are being used as a method to draw more eyes to their brand in the expectation that they will gain publicity and in turn increase sales of the stuff that they do sell.  By "spreading the word" about these videos, we reward the company bringing them the increased publicity and sales that they are after.  There are plenty of ways to learn about bitcoin, and if these videos aren't seen someone else will make equally good (or better) videos in the future.  If they were creating these videos solely for the purpose of educating outsiders about bitcoin, then they wouldn't attach their brand to it at all.

There is nothing wrong with this motive.  Building a brand and gaining publicity are essential parts of creating a successful company.  Providing "free" samples or services are a great way to build awareness of a brand, and have the nice perk of benefiting a community at the same time.
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February 05, 2013, 09:05:46 PM
#38
Thank you for clarifying further, I do agree with your sentiments entirely and now that I understand the bigger picture of your response I suppose I support it. Just out of curiousity, if the employee has been reprimanded and is no longer able to make such a mistake, would there still be grounds enough to avoid this particular video for you for any reason other than personal taste or message content?
The fact that the Mr. Pike has explained that he was acting on his own without permission of the company goes a long way toward rebuilding trust in the company.  There isn't much more that the company can do to rebuild trust quickly.  To publicly state that Mr. Pike has been reprimanded would be a bit like a child apologizing after they are caught with their hand in the cookie jar.  There is no way to know if they are just posturing to appease or if they are sincere.

As long as there aren't future actions from other representatives of the company that indicate a systemic problem within the company, over time trust will be restored.  If this is the first time the Mr. Pike has found himself involved in a situation like this, then the best thing the company can do is probably to explain their policy clearly to him and let him know that while one time is a mistake, a second similar event would require significant consequences (and make it clear to him what those consequences would be).  Then leave it up to the social media team to figure out how best to handle the situation.

At this point, assuming I don't see any further indications that the company is untrustworthy, given Mr. Pike's explanation and apology, I don't expect to "be letting [people] know that I find the company to be deceptive and untrustworthy".  I probably won't go out of my way to tell people about the videos, and I probably won't bother watching them right now.  If the company continues to put out a quality product, and I hear others talking about them I'd be willing to give it another look in a few months.



Let's not forget that they don't appear to be selling a product and that this is a free video for the benefit of educating outsiders on bitcoin. Seems like that should also count for something positive!
legendary
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February 05, 2013, 09:02:25 PM
#37
Thank you for clarifying further, I do agree with your sentiments entirely and now that I understand the bigger picture of your response I suppose I support it. Just out of curiousity, if the employee has been reprimanded and is no longer able to make such a mistake, would there still be grounds enough to avoid this particular video for you for any reason other than personal taste or message content?
The fact that the Mr. Pike has explained that he was acting on his own without permission of the company goes a long way toward rebuilding trust in the company.  There isn't much more that the company can do to rebuild trust quickly.  To publicly state that Mr. Pike has been reprimanded would be a bit like a child apologizing after they are caught with their hand in the cookie jar.  There is no way to know if they are just posturing to appease or if they are sincere.

As long as there aren't future actions from other representatives of the company that indicate a systemic problem within the company, over time trust will be restored.  If this is the first time that Mr. Pike has found himself involved in a situation like this, then the best thing the company can do is probably to explain their policy clearly to him and let him know that while one time is a mistake, a second similar event would require significant consequences (and make it clear to him what those consequences would be).  Then leave it up to the social media team to figure out how best to handle the situation.

At this point, assuming I don't see any further indications that the company is untrustworthy, given Mr. Pike's explanation and apology, I don't expect to "be letting [people] know that I find the company to be deceptive and untrustworthy".  I probably won't go out of my way to tell people about the videos, and I probably won't bother watching them right now.  If the company continues to put out a quality product, and I hear others talking about them I'd be willing to give it another look in a few months.
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February 05, 2013, 08:26:44 PM
#36
Isn't that how the free market is supposed to work.  Businesses are supposed to behave in an ethical manner because if they don't they'll lose customers and profits.  By engaging in business with businesses that are known to behave unethically just because we think it would result in something good for us personally, we eventually break down the feedback loop and end up with companies like Enron.

I'd like to think that true free markets are run at least in part by logic, not emotion.
My response isn't emotional.  It is logical.  I'm not acting the way I am out of spite because they "hurt my feelings" or "offended me".  I choose my actions logically and intentionally to influence behavior.  If a company is known to let ethics slide in one area, then there is reason enough to believe that they do so in other areas as well.

I see that Mr. Pike has expressed regret and has indicated that he took it upon himself to attempt this advertisement without the permission or knowledge of the company he is representing.  If so, and if the company culture provides a reasonable expectation of ethical trustworthy behavior of their employees, then his employer will probably be making it clear to Mr. Pike that his actions were unacceptable.

Social media can be a powerful advertising medium, but when not handled properly it can be a P.R. train wreck. For a great example of how not to handle P.R. via social media see here:

http://rlstollar.wordpress.com/2013/02/02/applebees-overnight-social-media-meltdown-a-photo-essay/


Thank you for clarifying further, I do agree with your sentiments entirely and now that I understand the bigger picture of your response I suppose I support it. Just out of curiousity, if the employee has been reprimanded and is no longer able to make such a mistake, would there still be grounds enough to avoid this particular video for you for any reason other than personal taste or message content?
legendary
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February 05, 2013, 08:23:09 PM
#35
TL/DR on my previous post:  These posts were from me as an individual "going rogue" and not official company posts.  The social team will hang me by my tendons when they see all this, but don't blame them or the company.  

Rouge employees is never a good look for a company...
legendary
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February 05, 2013, 08:22:42 PM
#34
Isn't that how the free market is supposed to work.  Businesses are supposed to behave in an ethical manner because if they don't they'll lose customers and profits.  By engaging in business with businesses that are known to behave unethically just because we think it would result in something good for us personally, we eventually break down the feedback loop and end up with companies like Enron.

I'd like to think that true free markets are run at least in part by logic, not emotion.
My response isn't emotional.  It is logical.  I'm not acting the way I am out of spite because they "hurt my feelings" or "offended me".  I choose my actions logically and intentionally to influence behavior.  If a company is known to let ethics slide in one area, then there is reason enough to believe that they do so in other areas as well.

I see that Mr. Pike has expressed regret and has indicated that he took it upon himself to attempt this advertisement without the permission or knowledge of the company he is representing.  If so, and if the company culture provides a reasonable expectation of ethical trustworthy behavior of their employees, then his employer will probably be making it clear to Mr. Pike that his actions were unacceptable.

Social media can be a powerful advertising medium, but when not handled properly it can be a P.R. train wreck. For a great example of how not to handle P.R. via social media see here:

http://rlstollar.wordpress.com/2013/02/02/applebees-overnight-social-media-meltdown-a-photo-essay/
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February 05, 2013, 08:17:06 PM
#33
TL/DR on my previous post:  These posts were from me as an individual "going rogue" and not official company posts.  The social team will hang me by my tendons when they see all this, but don't blame them or the company. 

For what it's worth, the opinions are correct and it was a big mistake. On the other hand, I enjoyed the video and I would have enjoyed it even if it were later found to be done by Tom Williams. Many of us are used to the superficiality of content over the function, and perhaps that makes us better at marketing consultants, but your video will live on despite the feelings in this thread. Try not to let it get you down and I'd say just avoid any such mistakes in the future.  Cry
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February 05, 2013, 08:13:35 PM
#32
Isn't that how the free market is supposed to work.  Businesses are supposed to behave in an ethical manner because if they don't they'll lose customers and profits.  By engaging in business with businesses that are known to behave unethically just because we think it would result in something good for us personally, we eventually break down the feedback loop and end up with companies like Enron.

I'd like to think that true free markets are run at least in part by logic, not emotion.
newbie
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February 05, 2013, 08:09:02 PM
#31
TL/DR on my previous post:  These posts were from me as an individual "going rogue" and not official company posts.  The social team will hang me by my tendons when they see all this, but don't blame them or the company. 
newbie
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February 05, 2013, 08:07:01 PM
#30
Hi everyone,

This was not an attempt to deceive, this is just a segmentation issue.  We have a social team who is responsible for handling all of our social media efforts, while I am just the web analytics guy who is also a Bitcoin enthusiast.  I'm not in sales, and the series is free, which I tried to emphasize, so I didn't mean any harm.

I knew that this link was going to go out on the official channels on Twitter, FB, and reddit, but I was afraid that it wouldn't hit the places I personally thought that it would be most valuable, in these threads where I tend to be.

I thought that from my posts it was clear that I was involved, but I could have done a better job of making that clear at the beginning, which also would have made it obvious that my posts here were in only a semi-official capacity as a guy who loves Bitcoin and is excited that his company does too.

This is why we have people who do this professionally, and I shouldn't have stepped on their toes, but I assure you that I just wanted to make sure more people saw that we had a free Bitcoin video series.

Mea culpa, but I would still love to see feedback on the actual video content.
legendary
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February 05, 2013, 08:05:51 PM
#29
Harsh. Does poor judgement close doors so easily for you?

What I meant by that (I wish I could edit my comments instead of reposting Undecided) was do you let opportunities left untouched whenever there was poor judgement involved? What if Satoshi had lied about one of the aspects of bitcoin? Would that make the entire community not worthy and bitcoin a sham? I'm just saying, everything good in my personal life has come from seeking out opportunity despite the presentation.

The only say I have in another person's behavior is whether I want my actions and words to encourage that behavior or discourage it.  In an environment with so much anonymity trust is hard to come by.  If Satoshi had been acting in an untrustworthy manner when he was revealing bitcoin, and if I had been involved in the discussions about bitcoin in the beginning, then yes I probably would have walked away from it.  Of course if someone else who had earned my trust and respect later suggested that I look into bitcoin, I'd probably give it another look and see if the design was open and clear.

A few months back a significant bitcoin based business violated their stated privacy policy.  I continue to avoid the services that are still run by the person who was responsible for the violation and I won't recommend their services to anyone.  Do they provide a great product or service? They used to, I'm not sure if they still do because I haven't checked it out. It doesn't matter. I won't reward what I consider bad behavior with profits or word-of-mouth advertising.

Isn't that how the free market is supposed to work.  Businesses are supposed to behave in an ethical manner because if they don't they'll lose customers and profits.  By engaging with businesses that are known to behave unethically just because we think it would result in something good for us personally, we eventually break down the feedback loop and end up with companies like Enron.
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February 05, 2013, 07:36:01 PM
#28
Harsh. Does poor judgement close doors so easily for you?

What I meant by that (I wish I could edit my comments instead of reposting Undecided) was do you let opportunities left untouched whenever there was poor judgement involved? What if Satoshi had lied about one of the aspects of bitcoin? Would that make the entire community not worthy and bitcoin a sham? I'm just saying, everything good in my personal life has come from seeking out opportunity despite the presentation.
legendary
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February 05, 2013, 07:34:37 PM
#27
I didn't even notice that, but it is sad, they are trying to play both sides of the fence, they want to be involved in bitcoin and not at the same time. Too bad time to let them think about how they screwed up.
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