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newbie
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September 27, 2017, 05:09:44 PM
#62
My approach is to sell 1 BTC every time I get excited about the price, and transfer the funds over as a principal only pay down on my mortgage.

That way if something horrid does happen to Bitcoin, I've at least got some benefit from it.  Plus it has the advantage of not telling too much in one year once and pushing myself up into a high capital gains tax rate.
 
Just sold one today, was excited to see the price back above $4K again!
sr. member
Activity: 531
Merit: 250
September 26, 2017, 12:09:55 AM
#61
2. Do you believe that the bitcoin price would at a minimum, increase 5% or greater per year on average, handily beating your current mortgage interest rate?

If again the answer is yes, then

HODL your bitcoin as an investment and keep paying your mortgage payment. Payoff your remaining mortgage years down the road with your bitcoin, and live on the rest.

This right here. Compare the cost of keeping the mortgage to the expected return of the bitcoins. I strongly suggest hodling is going to be a far better result.

This is the reason why I think you are right. Bitcoin seems to be getting traction since januari this year.
Why would you risk that by doing something else with your money? I honestly believe if we play are cards rights, we are set for life.

15 btc is only 20% of what he bought at $250. So if you do the math he pays off his house for free, and still has lots of profit coins. Why gamble?
No brainer pay off the house now and hold for retirement riches.
I think the newbie op may be trolling though, what's your wallet address so we know you aren't full of shit?

Not trolling. I was just nervous when we hit $3,000/coin and seriously thought about paying off my mortgage. Not lying about my coins, either. And I will never give out my Trezor address.
sr. member
Activity: 531
Merit: 250
September 25, 2017, 11:44:44 PM
#60
I can't believe I didn't think of this before, and I didn't see anyone mention it yet.

Have you considered redeeming your Bitcoin Cash to pay off a hefty portion of your mortgage, I believe it would pay off about 75% of what you have left. No need to touch your Bitcoin or at least doesn't require you to touch as much of your Bitcoin.

This could be the best answer!

I thought BCH would plummet to zero, so I traded them around $300 for ETH/DSH/OMG. 🤷🏽‍♂️
sr. member
Activity: 531
Merit: 250
September 25, 2017, 11:42:21 PM
#59
I owe about $50K on my mortgage. Should I throw 15BTC at it and be done, or keep paying the minimum and HODL the coin as an investment? 15BTC is <20% of my holdings that I purchased at $250/coin back in 2015, by the way. Thanks in advance!

they reckon 10% spent of your wealth has not so much of an effect.

Uhh, what? Who's they? And what does this thought mean?


That said, let all the money printing evaporate the value of your 50K to 5K.

I don't think you understand how debt works. The money printing doesn't make his 50k debt go to 5k, it actually makes that 50k debt go up (in theory) because his spending power goes down with fiat money. Meaning while his monthly payment to that mortgage stays the same what he can buy with the rest of his income goes down because prices get higher as the currency depreciates.



To the OP, it depends on how much this mortgage is interfering with your ability to pay for other things or live comfortably. What % is the mortgage payment of your monthly income? What's the interest rate?

If you don't want to share those details I'd use the BTC to pay off the mortgage and then if you feel you're missing the BTC you can buy back into  it with the amount of money you were previously paying to your mortgage. And in this scenario you'll be keeping all of that payment whereas currently a lot of it goes to service the interest you owe, i.e., the bank!

This is the most lucrative option for you. Lose the debt and the interest payments immediately. Then rebuild your bitcoin wealth if/as you need to.

What a great position for you to be in, congratulations!

Touche'. And all of the USD printing should help me with the BTC/USD rate down the road. Hopefully...
sr. member
Activity: 531
Merit: 250
September 25, 2017, 11:39:11 PM
#58
I guess I'll go against the grain of literally everyone here that has posted so far.

1. Do you believe that Bitcoin will still be around and growing exponentially 10 years from now? 20?

If the answer is yes, then

2. Do you believe that the bitcoin price would at a minimum, increase 5% or greater per year on average, handily beating your current mortgage interest rate?

If again the answer is yes, then

HODL your bitcoin as an investment and keep paying your mortgage payment. Payoff your remaining mortgage years down the road with your bitcoin, and live on the rest.

Awesome! I purchased in 2010 I believe. 3.25%. I'll HODL. Bitcoin should beat that interest rate!👍🏽
sr. member
Activity: 531
Merit: 250
September 25, 2017, 11:34:20 PM
#57
GREAT information guys! I'm loving the responses and they put everything into perspective. Also, I'm a little bit of a gambler and will throw $100 in Bitcoin on the board making stupid parlays once a week. This one was initially $100, but Bitcoin shot up and when it finally cleared, it paid $27,500!😳

https://nitrogensports.eu/betslip/5b02a6aWDAyZldSSGtpMjhJS2RKZGRpdkdVdz09/r/1530/
legendary
Activity: 1414
Merit: 1000
September 25, 2017, 08:10:32 PM
#56
2. Do you believe that the bitcoin price would at a minimum, increase 5% or greater per year on average, handily beating your current mortgage interest rate?

If again the answer is yes, then

HODL your bitcoin as an investment and keep paying your mortgage payment. Payoff your remaining mortgage years down the road with your bitcoin, and live on the rest.

This right here. Compare the cost of keeping the mortgage to the expected return of the bitcoins. I strongly suggest hodling is going to be a far better result.

This is the reason why I think you are right. Bitcoin seems to be getting traction since januari this year.
Why would you risk that by doing something else with your money? I honestly believe if we play are cards rights, we are set for life.

You do realize the price is $4k? 20x from here is $80k. The op buy in went 20x. Convince me this is comparable.
legendary
Activity: 1414
Merit: 1000
September 25, 2017, 07:38:53 PM
#55
2. Do you believe that the bitcoin price would at a minimum, increase 5% or greater per year on average, handily beating your current mortgage interest rate?

If again the answer is yes, then

HODL your bitcoin as an investment and keep paying your mortgage payment. Payoff your remaining mortgage years down the road with your bitcoin, and live on the rest.

This right here. Compare the cost of keeping the mortgage to the expected return of the bitcoins. I strongly suggest hodling is going to be a far better result.

This is the reason why I think you are right. Bitcoin seems to be getting traction since januari this year.
Why would you risk that by doing something else with your money? I honestly believe if we play are cards rights, we are set for life.

15 btc is only 20% of what he bought at $250. So if you do the math he pays off his house for free, and still has lots of profit coins. Why gamble?
No brainer pay off the house now and hold for retirement riches.
I think the newbie op may be trolling though, what's your wallet address so we know you aren't full of shit?
hero member
Activity: 770
Merit: 500
Forza Roma
September 25, 2017, 03:35:56 PM
#54
2. Do you believe that the bitcoin price would at a minimum, increase 5% or greater per year on average, handily beating your current mortgage interest rate?

If again the answer is yes, then

HODL your bitcoin as an investment and keep paying your mortgage payment. Payoff your remaining mortgage years down the road with your bitcoin, and live on the rest.

This right here. Compare the cost of keeping the mortgage to the expected return of the bitcoins. I strongly suggest hodling is going to be a far better result.

This is the reason why I think you are right. Bitcoin seems to be getting traction since januari this year.
Why would you risk that by doing something else with your money? I honestly believe if we play are cards rights, we are set for life.
sr. member
Activity: 812
Merit: 317
September 25, 2017, 01:45:40 PM
#53
2. Do you believe that the bitcoin price would at a minimum, increase 5% or greater per year on average, handily beating your current mortgage interest rate?

If again the answer is yes, then

HODL your bitcoin as an investment and keep paying your mortgage payment. Payoff your remaining mortgage years down the road with your bitcoin, and live on the rest.

This right here. Compare the cost of keeping the mortgage to the expected return of the bitcoins. I strongly suggest hodling is going to be a far better result.
if the lessons are attention to today's crypto currency prices, then many users start to think about those or other options. Apparently, the unstable market has a very strong effect on users. Although I still doubt the right decisions about the mortgage.
legendary
Activity: 3878
Merit: 1193
September 25, 2017, 01:24:57 PM
#52
2. Do you believe that the bitcoin price would at a minimum, increase 5% or greater per year on average, handily beating your current mortgage interest rate?

If again the answer is yes, then

HODL your bitcoin as an investment and keep paying your mortgage payment. Payoff your remaining mortgage years down the road with your bitcoin, and live on the rest.

This right here. Compare the cost of keeping the mortgage to the expected return of the bitcoins. I strongly suggest hodling is going to be a far better result.
sr. member
Activity: 432
Merit: 250
September 25, 2017, 10:54:23 AM
#51
Does your monthly pension can cover for monthly mortgage and expenses? If it does, you can hold off paying your debt. I will prioritize my investment in bitcoin over the mortgage. But if you are barely making the payment, then paying it off with your bitcoin is a good idea. Peace of mind is priceless.
Indeed, if you mentally not stable, you cannot work smoth any thing and you will have trouble when you try more. Therefore, most of the jobs need you can keep calm first. That is a requirement when you working.
legendary
Activity: 1414
Merit: 1000
September 25, 2017, 09:24:57 AM
#50
Nobody knows what will happen with the future price of bitcoin, but you know 100% that you will never pay the f'g banksters another dime of interest on your house, and that being foreclosed on is impossible. So, go with the sure thing.
Don't buy with more than you can afford to lose. Pay off your house and hold what you can afford to lose.
hero member
Activity: 2310
Merit: 532
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September 25, 2017, 08:40:48 AM
#49
I owe about $50K on my mortgage. Should I throw 15BTC at it and be done, or keep paying the minimum and HODL the coin as an investment? 15BTC is <20% of my holdings that I purchased at $250/coin back in 2015, by the way. Thanks in advance!
You should not sell bitcoins to pay for your mortgage as bitcoin is your investment and you should never sell your investment. You should pay for the mortgage with your monthly salary even if you are left with very little money after paying the mortgage. On a second thought, your investment have increased more than 10 folds, so you can sell the gains and only keep the initial amount of money in bitcoins to yourself and then buy another investment with the profit made. But keep this thing in your mind that you must not sell an investment for paying your mortgage.
As suggested bitcoin is the one that has got promised growth periodically. So it is a must to have it as an investment rather than selling or cashing out for settling the mortgage. As stated make yourself into trading or some other form of investment portfolio where the capital should not get disturbed. The profit needs to be used for repayment requirements.
legendary
Activity: 1092
Merit: 1000
September 24, 2017, 10:23:33 PM
#48
I owe about $50K on my mortgage. Should I throw 15BTC at it and be done, or keep paying the minimum and HODL the coin as an investment? 15BTC is <20% of my holdings that I purchased at $250/coin back in 2015, by the way. Thanks in advance!
You should not sell bitcoins to pay for your mortgage as bitcoin is your investment and you should never sell your investment. You should pay for the mortgage with your monthly salary even if you are left with very little money after paying the mortgage. On a second thought, your investment have increased more than 10 folds, so you can sell the gains and only keep the initial amount of money in bitcoins to yourself and then buy another investment with the profit made. But keep this thing in your mind that you must not sell an investment for paying your mortgage.
hero member
Activity: 1106
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September 24, 2017, 09:19:47 PM
#47
I can't believe I didn't think of this before, and I didn't see anyone mention it yet.

Have you considered redeeming your Bitcoin Cash to pay off a hefty portion of your mortgage, I believe it would pay off about 75% of what you have left. No need to touch your Bitcoin or at least doesn't require you to touch as much of your Bitcoin.

This could be the best answer!
hero member
Activity: 1106
Merit: 638
September 23, 2017, 10:29:59 PM
#46
I owe about $50K on my mortgage. Should I throw 15BTC at it and be done, or keep paying the minimum and HODL the coin as an investment? 15BTC is <20% of my holdings that I purchased at $250/coin back in 2015, by the way. Thanks in advance!

they reckon 10% spent of your wealth has not so much of an effect.

Uhh, what? Who's they? And what does this thought mean?


That said, let all the money printing evaporate the value of your 50K to 5K.

I don't think you understand how debt works. The money printing doesn't make his 50k debt go to 5k, it actually makes that 50k debt go up (in theory) because his spending power goes down with fiat money. Meaning while his monthly payment to that mortgage stays the same what he can buy with the rest of his income goes down because prices get higher as the currency depreciates.



To the OP, it depends on how much this mortgage is interfering with your ability to pay for other things or live comfortably. What % is the mortgage payment of your monthly income? What's the interest rate?

If you don't want to share those details I'd use the BTC to pay off the mortgage and then if you feel you're missing the BTC you can buy back into  it with the amount of money you were previously paying to your mortgage. And in this scenario you'll be keeping all of that payment whereas currently a lot of it goes to service the interest you owe, i.e., the bank!

This is the most lucrative option for you. Lose the debt and the interest payments immediately. Then rebuild your bitcoin wealth if/as you need to.

What a great position for you to be in, congratulations!
hero member
Activity: 1148
Merit: 504
September 23, 2017, 10:21:11 PM
#45
Does your monthly pension can cover for monthly mortgage and expenses? If it does, you can hold off paying your debt. I will prioritize my investment in bitcoin over the mortgage. But if you are barely making the payment, then paying it off with your bitcoin is a good idea. Peace of mind is priceless.
legendary
Activity: 3780
Merit: 5429
September 23, 2017, 09:54:02 PM
#44
I guess I'll go against the grain of literally everyone here that has posted so far.

1. Do you believe that Bitcoin will still be around and growing exponentially 10 years from now? 20?

If the answer is yes, then

2. Do you believe that the bitcoin price would at a minimum, increase 5% or greater per year on average, handily beating your current mortgage interest rate?

If again the answer is yes, then

HODL your bitcoin as an investment and keep paying your mortgage payment. Payoff your remaining mortgage years down the road with your bitcoin, and live on the rest.
legendary
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September 23, 2017, 05:26:53 AM
#43

Having a debt that huge is overwhelming and to wait for several years before fully paying it off would be such a headache. I would have a hard time sleeping at night knowing that I have a debt and that I'd have to pay for years to come. So that you'd have your peace of mind, I think its worth to already pay off that debt.


Agree. People are looking at this purely in financial terms, but of course your home is your shelter, the place you go to feel safe. And the feeling you get when you own it free and clear of a mortgage is priceless.
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