Topic: Bitcoin Wallet 2.41 released! - page 2. (Read 9898 times)

Of course, but we were talking about my privkeys. You cannot retrieve them from the blockchain.

You can't really hide your transactions. It's in the block chain. It has to be.

Like I said, they are not on any devices. Never have been.

Just installed 2.42, still crashes. I'll send in another crash report.

Depends on the crash. Have you sent a crash report? Which email address did you use (so that I can identify your report)?

My app crashes when trying to import a private key. Is this the same issue?

The plan is to make the network so efficient that you don't care. As soon as bloom filtering is supported by virtually all nodes, it should be possible to stay within 2 MB per month with moderate use. Currently only one quarter of peers support bloom filtering, so make sure to update your bitcoin-qt or bitcoind to 0.8.0.

I wonder how you manage to transfer your private keys between devices without accidently leaking them.

If you send them by mail or instant message unencrypted, they are obviously leaked.
If you copy them to the clipboard (cut & paste), any application can steal them. I am sure there is already malware that monitors the clipboard.
If you copy them to external storage on Android unencrypted, again any app can steal them.
If you view and scan them using QR-codes, observers can snapshot them as well.

This is why I am extremely cautious regarding import and export of private keys and always require encryption. Note that MultiBit uses the same scheme, so you should be able to exchange keys without the openssl step inbetween. We have deliberately chosen this openssl standard, because it should be easy to implement by other applications as well.

Some months ago I have - in a private branch - implemented the ability to display private keys as QR and import them by scanning. I will not merge this as is, but if you want you can compile it yourself (and enhance perhaps, to make it more secure).

I'm thinking about the possibility to import private keys by sweeping. This would allow for redeeming vouchers / paper wallets, but its probably not what you want.

However, its all just a workaround. The most convenient and secure way to transfer money is signing a Bitcoin transaction.

Will you ever add a sync-on-wifi-only option?

I'm sorry about this, it will be fixed in version 2.42 which will be most likely released tomorrow.

It was caused by some Java6 code creeping in, and your phone can only do Java5 unfortunately.

Don't worry, your phone will be supported long enough to move your coins out. And actually if you're happy with the current feature set, you will likely be able to use the app much longer.

Watch-only addresses please..

You were almost there! Encrypting the file is one option different as decrypting in openssl!

Information about your keys in different formats can be obtained at bitaddress.org

Correct. I wake up at 3 A.M. fretting over this... seriously... I am paranoid about anyone knowing what I have and where I keep it. Spinner and blockchain.info are merely temporary solutions until something more private comes along.
I agree. As you say though, this should be soluble with some serious thought towards limiting clashes caused by time and recipient-address overlap. I guess we just have to be patient.

Yeah, for unusual use cases like yours right now the Bitcoin Wallet app might not be appropriate. It can support what you're doing, but it'll import private keys more slowly than an app like Spinner will. The flip side of course is that with apps like blockchain.info or spinner the server knows all your transaction history.

I think in future having the same keys shared by different apps will become more common. It's safe as long as none of the apps get out of sync with each other. The problem is if they do get out of sync, it's tough to recover right now. We probably need more code to check the timestamps on block headers vs some source of real time to avoid problems caused by the users clocks being set wrong, and forbid spending until the chain head is not too far away from real time.

Why don't I send the money from my desktop to my wallet? There is no easy way to answer that.

First, I do not keep any money in any desktop. I keep my savings in several privkeys, none of which is implemented in software anywhere. When I must spend money from savings, I temporarily import one of the privkeys into software (armory, blockchain.info, or the like), spend the money, and immediately delete the privkey from the software. I may have inadvertently misled when said that I run a bitcoin-d node on a server. But I do not keep any active privkeys there. I run it just to help the cause, since I must run the server 24/7 for other reasons.

Second, the little money that I must keep on hand (less than one btc), I keep in a privkey that is loaded into BitcoinSpinner both on my smartphone and also on my tablet (same privkey). That way, I can spend from the same privkey, no matter which Android device I happen to be holding.

I keep track of the balances in my several savings privkeys as well as in the petit-cash privkey with the "WalletBalance" Android app.

The reason that your question is hard to answer is that I do not see bitcoins the way many people do. Many people visualize their bitcoins as residing in this wallet or that, in one computer or another. And so the question "Why not move the money from this wallet to that wallet?" makes sense to them. To me, my bitcoins are in my privkeys, which are dispersed across all the nodes. Wallet software is merely a temporary tool for spending money out of a privkey. Again, with the exception of the petit cash that I carry in my phone and tablet, none of my bitcoins are in wallets anywhere. All are in privkeys in the cloud.

Why don't you just .... send the money from your desktop to your wallet?

Importing private keys is deliberately awkward because there are so many ways people can make mistakes and end up accidentally creating double spends. Perhaps in future having multiple devices all sharing the same wallet will be easier and safer but for now, you can just send the money.

Thank you. That was helpful. I saved the (encrypted) privkey from the Android wallet to a file, then moved the file to a windows machine, then downloaded OpenSSL for Windows (lite), then learned enough about OpenSSl to decrypt the file, then decrypted the file, then copied the exported decrypted privkey and pasted it into Blockchain.info in order to test it. Blockchain.info said that it was a "compressed" privkey and that i should sweep it, rather than load it (something about Android). At that point, I realized that I would have to learn how to use OpenSSL to re-compress and re-encrypt my pre-existing privkey before I could move the file back to Android in order to import it back into the Android wallet.

I decided that this process was too steep a learning curve for a one-time operation. So, for my cell-phone spending money, for now I am sticking with BitCoinSpinner.

This is a shame. I do not fully trust BitcoinSpinner because it does not use standard blockchain nodes, whereas I can set Bitcoin Wallet 2.41 to use my own personal trusted bitcoind 0.8 node (at pc.backintyme.com), as well as other nearby nodes. I shall check back now and then to see if perhaps the next release of Android wallet makes privkey management more straightforward.

Thanks again.

Ok,  I was able to download the apk for version 2.39 from google code, install it and transfer my coins out.

When I first ran v. 2.41, it gave me a warning about older versions of Android not being supported in the future and said that I should transfer my bitcoins out of the wallet.  However, when I try to send now, it crashes.  Is there any way to roll back to the previous version or import the private keys into another client?  Thanks.

Yes there is, but it is not real easy.

Make a backup, decrypt that file, put your private key in, encrypt that file again, import it as a backup.

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