The Arab Spring is an example.
Topic: Bitcoin will remain dormant until people start questioning what money is. (Read 2862 times)
October 02, 2016, 04:28:55 PM
October 02, 2016, 04:25:26 PM
This isn't Bitcoin stagnating 
yes, like gold in 2000 at 300 USD ...
bitcoin at 600 USD, it's ...
i always projected a 3200 USD.
October 02, 2016, 04:09:05 PM
I think bitcoin will have slow growth until people realize the benefits of it and when merchants start to accept it like credit cards and paypal. Right now, there are very few merchants that will accept bitcoin as a payment method because there isn't a big demand for it yet.
October 01, 2016, 02:28:35 AM
I think it will not happen. bitcoin current can be strong financial payment media. even into the future for the world's financial system. in the future will bitcoin system could be fundamentally and legally robust.
October 01, 2016, 02:22:56 AM
When people start questioning it and find no recourse, you could have a French Revolution-kind of situation.
The revolution needn't be just about the money.
The Arab Spring is an example.
The revolution needn't be just about the money.
The Arab Spring is an example.
September 29, 2016, 09:09:05 AM
It is not stagnant, but slowly rising up. However mass adoption won't be possible until Bitcoins will be simpler to get, use, save and spend.
September 11, 2016, 01:11:32 AM
Why would the average joe start questioning what money is? They use it, and that's it. 90% of the people don't think even think a second about what it is and what the effect might be on the very long term. And another thing, if you tell people to use Bitcoin instead of fiat, then they come up with the simple answer of; Why should I purchase something (Bitcoin) first, in order to spend it, while I can directly buy things with fiat?
the problem with inflation is that it often happens slowly, like the frog that is in hot water until he boils to death slowly.
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If you drop a frog in a pot of boiling water, it will of course frantically try to clamber out. But if you place it gently in a pot of tepid water and turn the heat on low, it will float there quite placidly. As the water gradually heats up, the frog will sink into a tranquil stupor, exactly like one of us in a hot bath, and before long, with a smile on its face, it will unresistingly allow itself to be boiled to death.
this is exactly what inflation is.
people will usually not even remember that 10 years ago, they had way more purchasing power. In fact, they often feel richer because they have a slightly higher wage sometimes. But they don't realize everything is more expensive. And the higher wage is lower if you adjust for inflation.
Just wait for enough people to get sick of everything and simply leave the system. We'll see the economies come crashing down because of an effective =<0% GDP growth in most places around the world, and those who can fix their systems and give value back to work will be the leading countries of the new economies.
September 10, 2016, 08:52:56 PM
Why would the average joe start questioning what money is? They use it, and that's it. 90% of the people don't think even think a second about what it is and what the effect might be on the very long term. And another thing, if you tell people to use Bitcoin instead of fiat, then they come up with the simple answer of; Why should I purchase something (Bitcoin) first, in order to spend it, while I can directly buy things with fiat?
Yeah, unless they are receiving bitcoin as salary or they have invested on bitcoin before, then it is hard to contemplate that they will use it if they have to purchase it first. So we need more employers and merchandisers adopting to bitcoin first before the regular joe sees that they have an option other than fiat. If they have an option to receive salary in form of bitcoin, then maybe they can switch from fiat to bitcoin.
September 10, 2016, 04:13:05 PM
Why would the average joe start questioning what money is? They use it, and that's it. 90% of the people don't think even think a second about what it is and what the effect might be on the very long term. And another thing, if you tell people to use Bitcoin instead of fiat, then they come up with the simple answer of; Why should I purchase something (Bitcoin) first, in order to spend it, while I can directly buy things with fiat?
the problem with inflation is that it often happens slowly, like the frog that is in hot water until he boils to death slowly.
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If you drop a frog in a pot of boiling water, it will of course frantically try to clamber out. But if you place it gently in a pot of tepid water and turn the heat on low, it will float there quite placidly. As the water gradually heats up, the frog will sink into a tranquil stupor, exactly like one of us in a hot bath, and before long, with a smile on its face, it will unresistingly allow itself to be boiled to death.
this is exactly what inflation is.
people will usually not even remember that 10 years ago, they had way more purchasing power. In fact, they often feel richer because they have a slightly higher wage sometimes. But they don't realize everything is more expensive. And the higher wage is lower if you adjust for inflation.
September 10, 2016, 04:08:53 PM
For the past 30 ish years the median wage has barely moved..
Up from around $28k to $33k... Now it is VERY important to look at median and not average. Why one might ask? Well The top 1% have been getting massive, MASSIVE increases in pay this launches the average wage to the moon and makes it look like it is going up.. well for those that are not in the top 1% it is not.
Now if we look at housing, food, etc these things have risen 200-1000% ...
There is zero sign of this trend ending..
"You can fool some people every time, You can fool most people most of the time, you cannot fool everyone all the time" IMO we are reaching the point where it is becoming impossible to continue on with this sham. In the next 20 years rent and food alone will hit a point where it costs above the median wage to have both..
Until people start asking "how can't I afford to eat, how is this possible" bitcoin will remain stagnate. Alas we will live through "interesting" times.
Up from around $28k to $33k... Now it is VERY important to look at median and not average. Why one might ask? Well The top 1% have been getting massive, MASSIVE increases in pay this launches the average wage to the moon and makes it look like it is going up.. well for those that are not in the top 1% it is not.
Now if we look at housing, food, etc these things have risen 200-1000% ...
There is zero sign of this trend ending..
"You can fool some people every time, You can fool most people most of the time, you cannot fool everyone all the time" IMO we are reaching the point where it is becoming impossible to continue on with this sham. In the next 20 years rent and food alone will hit a point where it costs above the median wage to have both..
Until people start asking "how can't I afford to eat, how is this possible" bitcoin will remain stagnate. Alas we will live through "interesting" times.
we have already reached the point at where it is common for both partners to have a fulltime job and still barely get by. (as in, they live somewhat comfortably but they have no or very few savings).
while a few decades ago it was common for only the man to work, and the woman was often not working at all, or at best have a parttime job.
now i'm not saying double income families are a bad thing, but I am saying that being FORCED to have 2 incomes just to get by is a VERY bad thing.
especially because it's getting worse and worse.
before long we will need 4 fulltime jobs per family just to get by, which means that single mothers will need 4 jobs and married couples will need 2 fulltime jobs each.
It's just supply and demand. As the workforce doubled, job income halved, and so we need twice as much work for the same income.
That aside, there is also inflation to consider. If we go back 50-100 years the purchase power per work hour was 4-16 times as high. Fiat is the big enemy, even more so than women in the work force.
Yes, woman are working, because they often need to.
Sure, some people are just materialistic and want more stuff, but it's pretty hard nowadays for 1-income families to get by, while it was very rare a couple of decades ago for the woman to work.
Inflation is a big problem, the price of goods got higher over the years, but the average wage has not gone up.
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It's just supply and demand. As the workforce doubled, job income halved, and so we need twice as much work for the same income.
Well aren't we glad the woman are allowed to work? Life has sure improved. Less supply because of jobs being outsourced to technology, and more demand because of woman wanting to work. And wages beng worth less in terms of purchasing power because the value of money is dropping.
I'm all for equal rights, but it's not really an improvement. Because now the economy turned to shit and no one is better of because of it. We all have less time and less money. So great.
In fact we would all be better of if people worked less hours, and we slowly phased out human labor so that humans work only a few hours a week. And most of the labor done by machines.
We just need to find a way to distribute the wealth somewhat fairly. So that not only a few super-rich benefit form the production of the machines.
In todays world, there's no need for 40 hour jobs at all.
September 10, 2016, 09:18:17 AM
Even the China is developing its own version of the digital coin. It is way ahead of other countires. So cashless society will be before us.
In the UK they tried to do away with cheques a while back. That's a technology that's a couple of thousand years old in principle. The idea was quickly abandoned when millions of grannies kicked up a stink as they never go anywhere near cash machines or online banking.
Cash is another idea that's been around for thousands of years. I really don't think it's going to be given up completely without some major battles no matter what a bunch of egg heads decide is best for the rest of us (ie themselves).
September 10, 2016, 02:06:48 AM
I agree.
Bitcoin will be a very widely used currency but I don’t think anything will ever replace paper cash completely.
Bitcoin will be a very widely used currency but I don’t think anything will ever replace paper cash completely.
check Denmark and Sweden. they're on their way to becoming cashless soon. I think it's gonna be way, way harder for other countries that are less obedient to their governments but it's an idea all economists are warming to.
Even the China is developing its own version of the digital coin. It is way ahead of other countires. So cashless society will be before us.
September 03, 2016, 03:08:57 PM
I agree.
Bitcoin will be a very widely used currency but I don’t think anything will ever replace paper cash completely.
Bitcoin will be a very widely used currency but I don’t think anything will ever replace paper cash completely.
check Denmark and Sweden. they're on their way to becoming cashless soon. I think it's gonna be way, way harder for other countries that are less obedient to their governments but it's an idea all economists are warming to.
September 03, 2016, 03:01:41 PM
Unfortunately people are dormant zombies themselves so its very difficult that they will wake up as long as they get the basic necessities covered. But of course, once physical cash is removed, then we might see a big uprise.
Most of the people are uneducated and they never know the true value of bitcoins. Removing physical cash is not an easy process and may take a century or even more.
Why would physical cash be abolished in the first place? It will forever stay as it is, IMO.
Bitcoin will be a very widely used currency but I don’t think anything will ever replace paper cash completely.
August 28, 2016, 09:23:56 PM
Unfortunately people are dormant zombies themselves so its very difficult that they will wake up as long as they get the basic necessities covered. But of course, once physical cash is removed, then we might see a big uprise.
Most of the people are uneducated and they never know the true value of bitcoins. Removing physical cash is not an easy process and may take a century or even more.
Why would physical cash be abolished in the first place? It will forever stay as it is, IMO.
August 28, 2016, 06:27:16 AM
Unfortunately people are dormant zombies themselves so its very difficult that they will wake up as long as they get the basic necessities covered. But of course, once physical cash is removed, then we might see a big uprise.
Most of the people are uneducated and they never know the true value of bitcoins. Removing physical cash is not an easy process and may take a century or even more.
August 27, 2016, 05:25:56 PM
If that's the case then Bitcoin will remain forever dormant. People just don't want to think about this stuff and never will. As long as things keep vaguely chugging along they won't look around and question anything.
There are enough savvy people who do know what the score is to make a difference. As ever the ones who can be arsed to educate themselves will benefit.
People will only notice what's wrong when it is too late already. It has always been like this and it will probably never change as you said.There are enough savvy people who do know what the score is to make a difference. As ever the ones who can be arsed to educate themselves will benefit.
That you don't know anything about money, that's one thing, but it's funny to see that so many people don't even seem to care while they know that at some point they will be in the losing position.
This is their attitude: Why would I care right now about something that will happen after years? Is this ignorance or plain stupidity? I go for the last.
August 27, 2016, 03:37:18 PM
If that's the case then Bitcoin will remain forever dormant. People just don't want to think about this stuff and never will. As long as things keep vaguely chugging along they won't look around and question anything.
There are enough savvy people who do know what the score is to make a difference. As ever the ones who can be arsed to educate themselves will benefit.
People will only notice what's wrong when it is too late already. It has always been like this and it will probably never change as you said.There are enough savvy people who do know what the score is to make a difference. As ever the ones who can be arsed to educate themselves will benefit.
That you don't know anything about money, that's one thing, but it's funny to see that so many people don't even seem to care while they know that at some point they will be in the losing position.
This is their attitude: Why would I care right now about something that will happen after years? Is this ignorance or plain stupidity? I go for the last.
August 27, 2016, 02:23:05 PM
If that's the case then Bitcoin will remain forever dormant. People just don't want to think about this stuff and never will. As long as things keep vaguely chugging along they won't look around and question anything.
There are enough savvy people who do know what the score is to make a difference. As ever the ones who can be arsed to educate themselves will benefit.
Yeah but things won't keep chugging along. Economic collapse and possibly the largest civil war the world has ever seen is coming soon. Venezuela for all. There are enough savvy people who do know what the score is to make a difference. As ever the ones who can be arsed to educate themselves will benefit.
August 27, 2016, 07:40:59 AM
Unfortunately people are dormant zombies themselves so its very difficult that they will wake up as long as they get the basic necessities covered. But of course, once physical cash is removed, then we might see a big uprise.
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