Bitcoin ‘Young Investment’ Wallets at Highest Level Since February 2018

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Quote from: kolbalish on September 17, 2020, 01:29:40 PM

"Overall, the data suggests that buying pressure for bitcoin is increasing, and the supply available to buy is reducing as new purchases likely get locked up for the long term," Gradwell said.
Bitcoin is trading near $10,900 at press time, representing a 52% gain on a year-to-date basis, but still down 83% from the record high of $20,000.
The number of young wallets surged from 791,289 to 2,000,000 in the second half of 2017 as bitcoin rallied by $2,000 to $20,000. The investor interest remained strong even as prices fell back sharply to $6,000 in February 2018. [/left]

This is because of the resiliency of Bitcoin it always bounces back fast and Bitcoin have proven itself as one of the most stable investment in the market and this pandemic they have proven it again, expect the new wallets to increase and expect new investors to come in the market so even if there is no indication of all time high expect the number to double.

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Quote from: CryptopreneurBrainboss on September 25, 2020, 12:07:52 AM

The pandemic opened many individuals eyes, they began to realize all the do called safe heaven they thought they had like Gold, OIl etc couldn't secured their funds and prevent losses instead they were the asset with one of the worst hits (most especially oil).

Gold has been doing fine though? I mean I guess supply lines were hit, but that shouldn't have too much effect on retail investors. Bitcoin has definitely done better YTD, but it's looking to me like the pandemic hasn't really given people much reason to sour on it.

Quote from: shoreno on September 25, 2020, 03:09:06 AM

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the investor interest remained strong even as prices fell back sharply to $6,000 in February 2018.

theres no way to tell if those investors are still the same except if they will do a survey and check all those that do a kyc but i feel that most of the users are quitting after the bull run .

Well not individually, but this is Chainanalysis, which is generally believed to know their stuff; I'm sure there are trends which led them to this conclusion. It's not hard to believe that the general market sentiment has improved this year either, after the shitstorm the global economy has gone through.

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and are rarely send bitcoins

so what is the big deal with that . we will be more happy if those wallets are being used actively but if not , the user of those wallets only test the bitcoin if they will like it or not and maybe not because they ended up leaving but we can investigate or watch those wallets if they will become active in the future .

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the investor interest remained strong even as prices fell back sharply to $6,000 in February 2018.

theres no way to tell if those investors are still the same except if they will do a survey and check all those that do a kyc but i feel that most of the users are quitting after the bull run .

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The pandemic opened many individuals eyes, they began to realize all the do called safe heaven they thought they had like Gold, OIl etc couldn't secured their funds and prevent losses instead they were the asset with one of the worst hits (most especially oil). It's quite normal for them to start looking for other more reliable alternative and with bitcoin making waves of recent due to it's impressive recovery rate, it's no surprise more and more investors are picking interest in the currency.

Seeing that February 2018 (after bitcoin peaked it highest in December 2017) was when this previous high inflow of young investors was recorded, it's quite understandable we're experiencing similar occurance. After the correction then, many investors would had thought Bitcoin will recover and continue the upward movement to greater highs but didn't play out as they expected.

Now judging from the price few weeks back as bitcoin peaked it highest of the year, it could be same assumptions that led to the highs of new investors in n 2018 is what is repeating itself now but here's is the positive part, unlike that of 2018 that saw a continuous decline in price, this time it would be different since we're still in the accumulating stage instead of the peak.

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Quote from: beerlover on September 24, 2020, 03:17:19 PM

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You can't stop them from mistakes AND you can't stop them complaining about how "bitcoin is a scam" because they lost money, it is out of our control unfortunately.

Just because they made a mistakes due to their lack of knowledge they're now complaining how Bitcoin is a scam? They shouldn't be trading in the first place if that's how their mindset is. Everyone is required to do their own research before entering the crypto world if not why invest/trade in the first place? They have no idea how the whole market is moving, they should have at least an insurance if things didn't work out.

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I understand that people may believe we need to first have some sort of education before we get into trading but you can't control other people, which is the main reason why they will do mistakes and they will think of bitcoin as something not so nice at all. Obviously bitcoin is awesome and we all love it, however these new people will do stuff that they shouldn't because of lack of knowledge and that will cause them to actually end up losing everything they have very quickly.

I know a guy who lost 20% overnight, dude was playing with leverage in a wrong way and obviously he didn't know so that caused him to lose it so quickly. You can't stop them from mistakes AND you can't stop them complaining about how "bitcoin is a scam" because they lost money, it is out of our control unfortunately.

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Quote from: ultrloa on September 24, 2020, 04:37:09 AM

Quote from: sunsilk on September 24, 2020, 03:41:04 AM

It is their responsibility to do research first or ask through any medium that's related to bitcoin investments, actually there's a lot of them if they'll just search it properly. There will be people who are willing to help them unless that guide has intention of shilling the project they're investing with or guide people through wrong so called 'bitcoin investments'.

Being a victim once is already enough to learn and, I guess many have decided to pursue holding and buying bitcoin after understanding it and making a plan how long they should hold it as an investment.

But unfortunately others doesn't bother to do a research and only listen to the people who invite them on that scam sites but what good thing there is other learned their lesson and do some good counteractions regarding on the incident happen to them, I see a lot of people now are talking about trading on binance and also in uniswap which I think a healthy way for them aswell for other to have a fresh start.

That's their problem if they don't take time to research with their investments involved to bitcoin. And with these stats, this shows that a positive thing has happened within the last two years with those wallets.

People learned and it's easier to hold than to put it elsewhere that promises guaranteed profits. Luckily these people have had enough with the past experiences that they probably had or simply learning with the share of others experience.

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Quote from: sunsilk on September 24, 2020, 03:41:04 AM

Quote from: ultrloa on September 22, 2020, 04:46:19 AM

Quote from: sunsilk on September 22, 2020, 02:57:12 AM

Yes, likely they are. The disappointed investors who became a victim of those scams and too gullible for those type of investments. They are the ones that don't do research as they invest and just invested to the words of mouths from the people that they've heard who earned with the market.

Just like today, the market isn't shaping well and if they'll start to notice it. They might see how profitable it is after this storm.

That's sad reality but actually some other has been hyped from the profit they see to the other who's claiming earning a good profits by investing at those scams and we cannot blame those victim since there's no knowledgeable person guides them on what is the right way for their investment. But what good thing there is they already take their first step and if they continue this and make those past scam as a lesson for theirselves on not to believe on the same scams then for sure they will earn a real profit. Provably those victims are just monitoring and learning about this for now and will join again when bitcoin will crazily pump again.

It is their responsibility to do research first or ask through any medium that's related to bitcoin investments, actually there's a lot of them if they'll just search it properly. There will be people who are willing to help them unless that guide has intention of shilling the project they're investing with or guide people through wrong so called 'bitcoin investments'.

Being a victim once is already enough to learn and, I guess many have decided to pursue holding and buying bitcoin after understanding it and making a plan how long they should hold it as an investment.

But unfortunately others doesn't bother to do a research and only listen to the people who invite them on that scam sites but what good thing there is other learned their lesson and do some good counteractions regarding on the incident happen to them, I see a lot of people now are talking about trading on binance and also in uniswap which I think a healthy way for them aswell for other to have a fresh start.

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Quote from: ultrloa on September 22, 2020, 04:46:19 AM

Quote from: sunsilk on September 22, 2020, 02:57:12 AM

Yes, likely they are. The disappointed investors who became a victim of those scams and too gullible for those type of investments. They are the ones that don't do research as they invest and just invested to the words of mouths from the people that they've heard who earned with the market.

Just like today, the market isn't shaping well and if they'll start to notice it. They might see how profitable it is after this storm.

That's sad reality but actually some other has been hyped from the profit they see to the other who's claiming earning a good profits by investing at those scams and we cannot blame those victim since there's no knowledgeable person guides them on what is the right way for their investment. But what good thing there is they already take their first step and if they continue this and make those past scam as a lesson for theirselves on not to believe on the same scams then for sure they will earn a real profit. Provably those victims are just monitoring and learning about this for now and will join again when bitcoin will crazily pump again.

It is their responsibility to do research first or ask through any medium that's related to bitcoin investments, actually there's a lot of them if they'll just search it properly. There will be people who are willing to help them unless that guide has intention of shilling the project they're investing with or guide people through wrong so called 'bitcoin investments'.

Being a victim once is already enough to learn and, I guess many have decided to pursue holding and buying bitcoin after understanding it and making a plan how long they should hold it as an investment.

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Quote from: el kaka22 on September 22, 2020, 08:22:17 AM

Did we checked where these people came from? I mean nobody really knows where they came from and we are out here thinking it is a good think that they came anyway. Surely we do look like it is a good thing because more people usually means more money as long as they came with even just one dollar in their pockets that means 1 more dollar so it is a good thing. But, are we really sure about that?

The data come from Chainalysis. They have the capacity to check wallets but I wouldn't say that the data could be reliable though, it could be skew to fit Chainalysis' narrative.

Quote from: el kaka22 on September 22, 2020, 08:22:17 AM

Maybe this defi deal did brought a lot of new people and they lost a lot of money because of drops or made so much money that they got rich and in the end they are taking money out of crypto world or they are taking bad news out of crypto world?

Definitely, the Defi deal really brought a lot of fresh blood to pump the market again and it could indicate that those Defi money could simply end up to those new bitcoin addresses.

Quote from: el kaka22 on September 22, 2020, 08:22:17 AM

I do not know where they came from and I am not comfortable with that many new people being involved this quickly, they should get in slowly if you ask me and not in a rush.

Nothing to worry though, perhaps those new bitcoin addresses are created for long term as they might have heard that an eventually bull run will happen in 2021 onwards.

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They will eventually come back but when they come back they are not going to come back like the first time. When one person comes into a market and loses money even if they come back they are now more careful and they are not making those big moves anymore, which causes bitcoin prices to change slowly instead of very quickly.

A ton of people came in and made bitcoin go up but now it is lower once again and those people who left and sold and lost money because of this fall will come back eventually but this time around they will not make it go up because they know what happened last time they did that and that will cause them to get in with smaller amounts. This is why bitcoin has rare huge runs time to time and a lot of quick movements most of the time.

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Did we checked where these people came from? I mean nobody really knows where they came from and we are out here thinking it is a good think that they came anyway. Surely we do look like it is a good thing because more people usually means more money as long as they came with even just one dollar in their pockets that means 1 more dollar so it is a good thing. But, are we really sure about that?

Maybe this defi deal did brought a lot of new people and they lost a lot of money because of drops or made so much money that they got rich and in the end they are taking money out of crypto world or they are taking bad news out of crypto world?

I do not know where they came from and I am not comfortable with that many new people being involved this quickly, they should get in slowly if you ask me and not in a rush.

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Quote from: sunsilk on September 22, 2020, 02:57:12 AM

Quote from: arwin100 on September 21, 2020, 05:37:30 AM

Quote from: sunsilk on September 20, 2020, 11:08:06 PM

We're expecting them to come again if the actual bull run comes and it's making the speculators crazy and even those observers that are still in the middle of their thinking whether to buy or not.

Maybe the one who leaves are those victims of ponzi scheme since for sure they will leave bitcoin once they didn't find any profitable platform for them to join with, but if they are trade d provably they are just there hodling or waiting for possible best entry to buy and earn even if the market is in bad shape right now.

Yes, likely they are. The disappointed investors who became a victim of those scams and too gullible for those type of investments. They are the ones that don't do research as they invest and just invested to the words of mouths from the people that they've heard who earned with the market.

Just like today, the market isn't shaping well and if they'll start to notice it. They might see how profitable it is after this storm.

That's sad reality but actually some other has been hyped from the profit they see to the other who's claiming earning a good profits by investing at those scams and we cannot blame those victim since there's no knowledgeable person guides them on what is the right way for their investment. But what good thing there is they already take their first step and if they continue this and make those past scam as a lesson for theirselves on not to believe on the same scams then for sure they will earn a real profit. Provably those victims are just monitoring and learning about this for now and will join again when bitcoin will crazily pump again.

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Quote from: arwin100 on September 21, 2020, 05:37:30 AM

Quote from: sunsilk on September 20, 2020, 11:08:06 PM

We're expecting them to come again if the actual bull run comes and it's making the speculators crazy and even those observers that are still in the middle of their thinking whether to buy or not.

Maybe the one who leaves are those victims of ponzi scheme since for sure they will leave bitcoin once they didn't find any profitable platform for them to join with, but if they are trade d provably they are just there hodling or waiting for possible best entry to buy and earn even if the market is in bad shape right now.

Yes, likely they are. The disappointed investors who became a victim of those scams and too gullible for those type of investments. They are the ones that don't do research as they invest and just invested to the words of mouths from the people that they've heard who earned with the market.

Just like today, the market isn't shaping well and if they'll start to notice it. They might see how profitable it is after this storm.

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Quote from: buwaytress on September 20, 2020, 07:15:00 AM

So if February 2018 was the highest level since, then people started coming in at the peak or soon after anyway, thinking it would go on to make more waves (it didn't happen obviously, but that's not the point). Does this suggest new entrants also see Bitcoin as approaching a new rally? Not that it matter what they think, again, but sentiment can be a poweful thing (or not).

But in February 2018, bitcoin was already in a massive spiral after touch almost $20k prior, so it's a wrong timing back time. We could have expect December 2017 could be the peak, but not sure about the data though.

And probably this is the right timing, maybe many have learned from the last bull run we have that's why they want to enter as early as they can, around this time. Sentiments is powerful in my opinion, and that's why it is being used as an indicator, because someone has come up with a fear and greed index now.

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Quote from: sunsilk on September 20, 2020, 11:08:06 PM

Quote from: Yaunfitda on September 20, 2020, 04:44:02 AM

Quote from: sunsilk on September 20, 2020, 02:34:25 AM

With another surge for bitcoin for the recent months, that clicked the curiosity again of people of what bitcoin is. And upon learning that there's a bullish scene that's happening, that's what made them decide to invest on it.

Also, while people are staying at home. They have done their research proving what bitcoin is and if it's a worth investment to take, and the result it could be that research made by chainanalysis.

It will also be interesting as to what level is "bitcoin" in Google's search algorithm, I wouldn't be surprised if it also spike and will continue to spike in the next coming months as we are in a sort of mini bull run after the block halving. And with people really just staying at home because of the current pandemic, there could be some who are entering and investing in bitcoin. Regardless though, we all know that an all time high will be forthcoming and I do hope that those young investors can join the fun ride that we will be having.

We're expecting them to come again if the actual bull run comes and it's making the speculators crazy and even those observers that are still in the middle of their thinking whether to buy or not.

Maybe the one who leaves are those victims of ponzi scheme since for sure they will leave bitcoin once they didn't find any profitable platform for them to join with, but if they are trade d provably they are just there hodling or waiting for possible best entry to buy and earn even if the market is in bad shape right now.

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Quote from: exstasie on September 21, 2020, 12:50:19 AM

If everyone thought BTC was about to go to the moon, I'd be more worried. Sentiment seems rather mixed right now. In fact, the Fear and Greed index is right in the middle of the road at 48 (Neutral).

I'm always keen to have as many people as possible think BTC would die, since this generally means a purging of all the weak hands -- those who don't speak never will anyway and those I'm not worried about. Fact, I think the real rally's been impeded by the refusal of all these vocal positive people all over the place!

Like you said though, long term silent accumulation is always bullish and that's the undercurrent.

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Quote from: buwaytress on September 20, 2020, 07:15:00 AM

So if February 2018 was the highest level since, then people started coming in at the peak or soon after anyway, thinking it would go on to make more waves (it didn't happen obviously, but that's not the point). Does this suggest new entrants also see Bitcoin as approaching a new rally? Not that it matter what they think, again, but sentiment can be a poweful thing (or not).

If everyone thought BTC was about to go to the moon, I'd be more worried. Sentiment seems rather mixed right now. In fact, the Fear and Greed index is right in the middle of the road at 48 (Neutral).

The important thing, regardless of what they think, is they appear to be increasingly buying and holding for long term investment according to Chainalysis. That suggests accumulation and it's definitely bullish.

Quote from: SquallLeonhart on September 20, 2020, 10:34:02 AM

The worst part about this is that, if they are coming in, where are they right now? Did the older ones get out? Because if we have so much new people, shouldn't that also mean that bitcoin price should have gone up? If new people came in and the price didn't went up, what does that tell us?

This is probably a lagging indicator. How accumulation works is bulls buy up all the supply in the range until there is none left, then the price gets marked up. We haven't gotten to the second part yet, and it could take a while.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on September 20, 2020, 04:44:02 AM

Quote from: sunsilk on September 20, 2020, 02:34:25 AM

With another surge for bitcoin for the recent months, that clicked the curiosity again of people of what bitcoin is. And upon learning that there's a bullish scene that's happening, that's what made them decide to invest on it.

Also, while people are staying at home. They have done their research proving what bitcoin is and if it's a worth investment to take, and the result it could be that research made by chainanalysis.

It will also be interesting as to what level is "bitcoin" in Google's search algorithm, I wouldn't be surprised if it also spike and will continue to spike in the next coming months as we are in a sort of mini bull run after the block halving. And with people really just staying at home because of the current pandemic, there could be some who are entering and investing in bitcoin. Regardless though, we all know that an all time high will be forthcoming and I do hope that those young investors can join the fun ride that we will be having.

Yes, that surge in google index for searches like bitcoin or anything that has a bitcoin keyword helped this research to have that high result in numbers.

We're expecting them to come again if the actual bull run comes and it's making the speculators crazy and even those observers that are still in the middle of their thinking whether to buy or not.

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The worst part about this is that, if they are coming in, where are they right now? Did the older ones get out? Because if we have so much new people, shouldn't that also mean that bitcoin price should have gone up? If new people came in and the price didn't went up, what does that tell us?

I have no idea what it tells us but it doesn't say something nice about the market situation honestly; which is why I honestly believe that new people do not matter as much as people think, even adoption doesn't matter as much as we think, the only thing that matters is how much money comes in the market and that is lacking right now, we need a lot more money coming in. You could have 1 million person with 1 dollar coming in and 1 person with 2 million coming in and that 1 person would be more valuable.

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