Topic: BitcoinBetGames.com • FREE BTC • Video Poker • Quincunx • Provably Fair • NEW - page 2. (Read 4939 times)

Yes and no. I guess you can have:

- serverseed, clientseed, secret (you have this now?)
- serverseed, clientseed
- serverseed, clientseed, nonce

The first one is bad because people need to wait. The second one is bad because it requires the seeds to be different each roll you make, which makes verifying much more difficult and time consuming - even though it is instant. The third one is the most popular and best way, the same seeds are used over many many rolls until the player decides to reset the serverseed and see the revealed unhashed seed to verify _all_ the previous rolls in 1 time.

he is asking to put simple verification method that are mostly gambling sites are using at the moment like Primedice, Dadice and many more like "serverseed, clientseed, nonce" that provably fair system is easy to understand to most players and easy to understand because of nonce we can know there is no skip to manipulate the bet result, i hope you can understand what verification he is talking about.

Yes I suppose thats what he meant. When I visit a dice site, the most important thing for me would be to verify bets immediately. Another thing that comes to my mind is the fact that the "My Bets" tab on the site shows only around 20 recent bets. I suppose you would show the rest being archived. But unless I am recording the session it would be difficult for me to actually verify that the archived bets were actually what happened.

So from what i understand, correct me if im wrong, diffirence between our current secret_key and nonce is that user don't need to wait until midnight to verify bet.

A daily secret should be only used in blockchain games - because they cannot have user-specific serverseeds (most don't require any account.) Luckyb.it is a blockchain game. Your site is not a blockchain game. Therefor it should be very easy to just let players reset/reveal the serverseed on their convenience - and not let them wait.

I didn't look much into your provably fair method yet, but basically you should use the "serverseed, clientseed, nonce" method used by all popular dice sites since this is considered the technically most solid implementation and is most easy for the user to verify their results.

edit: had a quick look at Quincunx thing and couldn't change client seed + was serverside made. So yeh this site is not provably fair AT ALL and the site can generate all results of a player. So definitely agree with "keepinquiet" and people shouldn't be playing here at least until the provably fair implementation is fixed. I see you are working on it, so GL.

So in Quincunx you will know secret key of all today bets after midnight (server time).
You can browse all Quincunx bets currently by (while on page), putting in address bar this:
This number 1227020 is bet number, which you can modify. Our reworked provably fair system starts from this ID and you can verify after midnight of given day all bets from that day.

Thank you, we worked really hard for months on this so great to hear some positive feedback

One person is withdrawing 3rd time now from free 100 satoshi. One withdraw is  0.012 BTC. So we will not take it off site, but add captcha and minimum wait time of 1 minute for example to refill FREE BTC

how would we verify its a fair system?

is it based on a secret seed we can see later?

I agree.  It's always good to get a fresh view in this realm of gaming, entertainment, math, security, and... oh yeah, gambling!  The more the merrier, in my opinion.  Dice clones just gets old after a while I guess.  It's good to have a variety of game that appeal to different genres and age groups.

Its actually pretty cool. Had fun playing it for a while. However there are a few bugs right now. But its nice to see a site that's not another dice site.

This looks like a cool site, I will keep an eye to see if the bugs are fixed and the provably fair is fixed.  If so I might give it a try.  I like your free satoshi so I can try it for free.  I hope no one abuses this and forces you to take it off of the site.

We are searching independent and willing person to verify our reworked Quincunx provably fair system.
PM me for details, thanks

We are aware of the quincunx speed issue in some cases and will address it asap.

It could relate to our reworks, but could also be "unresponsive bet button syndrome". We are working on it also. First priority is to finish rework of provably fair system now.

For some reason I also couldn't bet after I got a straight in Video poker. It just froze and didn't allow me to bet or do anything on the page.
Then it just went down on refresh(which possibly could be something you guys are working on) .


Yeah just realized that. For some reason didn't allow more than 2 for me . But now can drop 10 in a row .

It allows me to drop 10 plinkos at a time. But yeah it appears to be slow. I see lot of bugs on site right now.

Looks like a nice site and nice to see another site offering Plinko. However the current version doesn't let me drop more than 2 coins in subsequent clicks. Would be nice to have it fast . Will test the provably fair and other parts of the site tonight.

Im suspecting you don't want to explain anything here, since you don't respond to our PM.

Of course not, read carefully Quincunx verification page:
hash = substr(sha256(playerSeed.serverSeed),0,40);

You laugh same way on luckyb.it? They are doing same thing. Revealing salt after X period of time.

Noone deposited even 1 satoshi

You are making contradiction to yourself, if it would hash we made design flaw. It was like this until my post BEFORE yours stating that we discover crictical security flaw which fix included salting server seed, no wonder it won't hash anymore if you don't know server seed.

Well im questioning your intentions here then, you don't want detailed explaination how to verify hand? So you will not listen to us and keep bad PR coming. Not cool.


update:
We are reworking our provably fair system to be easy to understand.
We admit we didn't put enough effort to make it as good and easy as it should be.

OMFG! You quote me where it "agrees" with you, but cut off the part where I say it'd actually be impossible because your hashes don't actually hash out and I've yet to make ANY bet actually verify on your site?? And way to go with the excuse why I cannot verify. Let me guess, you'll let us know "in a few days"? News flash, jackass, I was unable to verify a bet hours ago when I started looking into your crap. In part because YOU ARE USING IMAGINARY HASHES. It's a 40 character "sha1" but the numbers don't hash out with sha1!

Even with the BS with 999dice I was not this completely blown away with the smell of bullcrap. I'm done. I'm not reading this thread any longer.

Anyone who bets at your site deserves to lose every satoshi. If they can't see though the bullshit, they don't deserve the bitcoin.

Edit: I just noticed as I was scrolling up to PM rollingbones... you're revealing the salt each SUNDAY?!

Hey, everyone, go bet at this site, it's probably not a scam, and you'll be able to validate all of that in only 5 days!

Jesus fucking christ. I'm out.

BULLSHIT

Sha256 does not result in a 40 character hash. But please, tell me I'm wrong. Obviously.


HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA.

Oh. My. God.

Please, pick me up off the floor.

"We are provably fair. Trust us. You can validate it "in a few days". In the meantime, bet all you want, you can trust us. Oh, and by the way, ignore all the contradictory 'this is how you verify' on the website, because in a forum thread we posted the real method. Which, you know, you can use in "a few days"".


Oh, ok, left to right. Got it. You know, because 'left to right and right to left' clears it all up and it's absolutely verifiable.

Again, nevermind that pesky contradicting information which I VERY CLEARLY pointed out and you VERY OBVIOUSLY decided to not address.

And of course, it's all verified with 40 character SHA256 hashes. I dont know why I havent been using them myself, they save so much space.


A) It does NOT work

B) NO ONE should have to ask on an unrelated forum.

C) You do not fix GLARING problems with the CORE of your system "later" after you launch and people lose money.

and D) I will under no circumstances have a private discussion with you. You are either moronic scammers trying to talk your way out of it, or vastly underqualified amateur site operators who are going to lose a LOT of people's money.

I am completely unsurprised by your ignoring of rollingbones. You make a claim there was a hack, which, if it would by some MIRACLE work like you said (because, again, your hashes are not hashes and could not possibly ever actually validate), you'd have no proof whatsoever, other than "oh shit we're losing money!" that anyone used it against you.

Based on the screenshot above, yes, it's quite clear that he was abusing the shit out of it. Very obviously changing the seed so that he never lost and just kept winning.

I'm still leaning on scammer bullshit. No legitimate site operator would need or want to discuss something this important over PMs and leave everyone else reading this to wonder. No, sorry, I won't be entertaining those PMs.

Rollingbones, send me a PM. I'd like to know exactly what happened.

Thank you for admiting the truth. As i wrote before, we made terrible design flaw which we fixed quicky by adding constant salt to server seed. Thats why you currently can't verify quincunx bet, because you don't know the salt, which we will reveal soon (its quick fix to this hacker above, we must add this informations to verification page)

We are waiting to response on PM we send you, so we could explain how our provably system work so you can verify all your previous and current bets.

update: added to quincunx verificaton page informations about serverSeed salt and that it will be revealed each Sunday

i just checked that newly launched gambling site i would like to play Quincunx with 5 different payout lines it is  more similar to very famous unique site, as i think there is something wrong with the provably fair system and it need to get fixed if admin want to make succeed his business, at the moment i am unable to put bet there and that is out of order.

Which, by the way, IF it actually worked the way you say it does, everyone could figure out every roll before they make it, because as it is written, you're providing all of that information before the roll is even made. Luckily for you, you're the only one in possession of this mystery-SHA1, so you're safe. So even in your bullshit, you're failing.

Please, scammers, can we try harder next time? Although I do admit, I get a bit of a righteous indignation when I find and bust this crap. So, in a way, go for it. I'll expose it.