Topic: Bitcoiners are unaware. The mining algorithm wasn't designed to advance science. (Read 279 times)

NotFuzzyWarm-I am not replying to your comment unless you get someone to quote you. You are being ignored. You should instead learn to get better social skills.

Good point.
The one change I suggest would be to have his idea run on GPU's. After all, there are gazillions of them that are not 'being used to advance science" Then get in touch with all the GPU makers and convince them to require the algo to always be running in the background...

Of course, there is a plethora of apps out there one can voluntarily install to 'work for science' in the background. Things like SETI, several protein folding programs, etc. Hell, a few even have Rewards programs for folks who dedicate resources to the problems being crunched.  

Of course that would take this thread right out of being related to BTC and put it solidly in the alts sections meaning the mods would have to move it. Again

damnit.. there I go adding to the troll chain...
edit: Oh, a closing comment @ OP -- we know you have us on Ignore. If you insist on snarky 'reminders' about it well - I for one also have you on ignore as well . Thing is, I'm replying to someone other than you so...
 

franky1-I am not responding to your comment. You have demonstrated that you are not an entity worth interacting with. You are a very bad entity. You hate education. You hate science. You are evil.

ok we get it. OP has a piece of paper that cost him many thousands in debt.. lets all bow down to someone that wants us to kiss his ass and tell him his education was worth the time and debt he incurred..

now he has had his ego stroked lets now remind him that he has failed to LEARN many things about bitcoin, math, economics, efficiency, data factoring, etc.

there is a big difference between telling people you have a phD vs actually knowing stuff
there are people working in mcdonalds with phD's

i know you want to be proud of your wasted time and you were hoping it would give you an auro of elitism to make you feel special for doing it. hoping people will automatically give you respect just because you shout phD.. but truth is. real learning can be done by actually learning. not by the games you went through to get your scroll of paper

the american education system is broke. and it seems your the last one to know it. why do you you think most america tech companies import workers from other countries or outsource research to other countries
by the time new math/science has reached the scholars to then become a curriculum to then sell to duped kids bleeding debt.. that information is outdated.

anyways
you keep missing the point about what bitcoin is and does. you keep wanting to suggest breaking it. yet you keep skipping the step of understanding bitcoin and its purpose

its like your trying to create a problem and pretend to have a solution. without realising your problem is not the solution and the solution is not your problem

feel free to go design an asic that efficiently brutes through your algo of whatever silly math you think floats your boat. make a network and get people inspired to use your network. incentivise them

but just remember this. what you conceived as an idea. is not what bitcoin is about and wont help bitcoin. it will make bitcoin more inefficient

by the way i have learned more then you can ever dream of.
your still a kid. you think a phD is the pinnacle of your life.. you have alot left to learn

franky1 and NotFuzzyWarm: You are still being ignored.

DaveF-I will respond to you this once, but I will ignore you after this because you are clearly an exceedingly evil entity. You hate me because I am educated and because you hate education. You love stupidity.

"With his posts about crypto, he has proven that he does not know anything about it either."-Insults are not well reasoned coherent responses. Please get an education.

"Also, can we stop feeding the troll. [Dave looks in mirror, crap I just fed him too]"-You are clearly too inept to understand anything about anything. You are therefore completely incapable of acting like a decent human.

Look at all the OPs posts. He is just a rambling idiot.
Might have actually gotten a PHd but it's from thunderwood. https://thunderwoodcollege.com/

But more then likely in reality he has no BTC and he has no degree and probably no real skills either.

With his posts about crypto, he has proven that he does not know anything about it either.

Also, can we stop feeding the troll. [Dave looks in mirror, crap I just fed him too]

-Dave

Even more to the OP's misguided point - they *are* right about 1 thing: the BTC algorithm wasn't designed to advance science. Well guess what - most technology of any sort was not designed for that either. Was television designed to advance science? Were mobile phones designed for it? etc etc etc? Of course not. They were created/designed to address 1 specific problem. Yes they have been able to evolve but that is only due to the add-on technolgy that now powers them.

There is no matter of 'bitcoiners are unaware'. We know full well what it is and what it was designed to do. As Franky pointed out BTC was created to solve 1 specific problem and it does that very very well.

OP wants to pretend he is important, pretend he knows things, throw in a few buzzwords to up his ego and presentation.. . but in the end falls flat on his face about not knowing bitcoins function.

he was hoping he could show off an idea and get alot of people kissing his ass hoping people will socially warm to him due to him saying he knows maths.. boring ass kissery with no depth.

in the end he does not know bitcoins purpose, function or efficiencies. he does not realise the basic math, which his idea adds inefficiencies not just to bitcoin but to other math problems he thought that an algo would help solve


oh well if he really wants to solve a world problem using math. he can make an altnet that purely solves his problems where its efficient at his problems task.

meanwhile bitcoin will continue solving blocks efficiently because thats its job

as for him doing examples of empty value matrices to jargon display what he thinks he knows.. thats not special maths. its just showing how an array is laid out..
factoring data is not special either
but none of his 'math' has anything to do with bitcoin

he has much to learn if he wants to understand bitcoin. and much to learn about utilising math for certain functions.

woez-Yes. We need to make an effort to understand the differences between cryptocurrencies. And for people who do not have the necessary skills to distinguish between the coins, they need to find someone trustworthy who is able and willing to evaluate the merits and demerits of various cryptocurrency technologies. This is especially important since using cryptocurrency mining for solving a scientific problem has many benefits with little risk but only if it is done correctly.

To everyone else-I am logging out since this conversation has been very unproductive.

I think it is important to understand the unique features and limitations of different cryptocurrencies when considering the potential applications and impacts and relatedly the OP said that Bitcoin mining algorithms were not designed with the aim of advancing science. Rather, it was created as a means of verifying transactions and maintaining the security and integrity of the Bitcoin network and it is possible that there are other cryptocurrencies that use different mining algorithms that have a scientific or computational purpose, such as proof of stake or proof of work algorithms that solve complex mathematical problems.

Flexystar-I don't know if you know this. You probably don't. But knowledge is a good thing. Being an anti-intellectual is a bad thing. Stop being an anti-intellectual anti-intellectual.

"What elemental properties of gold are should be known to me all the time before I can use it."-Well, you should at least know that the density of gold is 19.3 times that of water. Or if you do not know the exact number, you should know that gold is a really heavy metal and that unlike other heavy metals it is non-toxic (i.e. you can eat it, nom nom). If you are using gold to try to impress a lady, it is much better if you did not know anything about gold, chemistry, economics, etc, (unless the lady knows a bit about chemistry herself), but if you are using gold as a store of value, then you should do a little bit of basic research into the precious metals and the alternatives.

If you are going to mine or invest in Bitcoin, you should understand what Bitcoin is about. You should read and understand the Bitcoin whitepaper and understand what a cryptographic hash function is. It is not that hard. Because if you do not understand what Bitcoin is all about, then you will worship Sam Bankman Fried and you will get duped by the dupers.

I would appreciate it if you tried to make a higher quality conversation.

franky1-You are displaying truly horrendous social skills because you are a truly terrible person. Have you read my recent mathematical research on the L_{2,d}-spectral radius dimensionality reduction? Do you even know what that does? It takes a collection of n by n matrices (A_1,...,A_r) (these matrices could be real, complex, or quaternionic) and it returns a collection of d by d matrices (X_1,...,X_r) where d
I have developed this dimensionality reduction in order to investigate cryptographic functions, but it looks like it is also applicable to machine learning for graph embeddings, word embeddings, other dimensionality reductions, and it probably has other use cases as well.

You are questioning my mathematical ability because you hate education and you are over here promoting your own stupidity. You are a very bad person.

I have ignored you because you are not an entity who is worth communicating with.

the OP is not a math genius.. but he pretends to be

firstly bitcoins mining algo is efficient. it has one job and it does it very very well. maths proves it..
for the OP to want to invent another purpose requires extra computation. which then makes its actual function less efficient, thus bad math

so if he wants to do something. he should use his supposed math degree to design an asic that does his scientific problem algo. create 2million devices and go create some altcoin and see if he can create value out of  solving his problem without breaking bitcoin or making bitcoin inefficient in its own mathematical job

the OP sounds like someone that looks at a pedal bicycle and instead of seeing its features and benefits of its bike function he just wants to moan that its not a car and doesnt solve car needs.. without realising its not suppose to be a car. its a bike that does bike things for bike needs in an efficient way better than cars can

So you are telling me that if I am not printing the money then I’m not the real user of fiat notes/coins?
If I’m not digging up any gold from the earth then I have no right to use the gold at all?

You mean to say I don’t understand the science behind it. What elemental properties of gold are should be known to me all the time before I can use it.

So considering this math up front you want me to understand how mining works, or may I should start mining right from today then I have right to use bitcoin.

That’s just insane thought. It’s a math. Miners solve it with complex algorithm that was produced by Mr Satoshi to give confirmations on blockchain and embed the data permanently in nodes.

That’s the most basic understanding of the common user of bitcoin and they do not need to worry about every technical aspects of the same. Do you think about science behind everything around us while using or availing the stuff?

dansus021-So there are two different flavors of useful proof of work problems. There are the cryptographic useful proof of work problems which are useful both for securing the network by establishing consensus but which are also useful for some scientific computational task like medical research. And there are non-cryptographic useful proof of work problems which are useful for a scientific purpose like medical research but which do not help the cryptocurrency in any way other than making the users feel good. Cryptographic useful proof of work problems are a lot more like Bitcoin than non-cryptographic proof-of-work problems.

There is a trade off here. Non-cryptographic useful proof of work problems can easily be made to solve any scientific problem since these non-cryptographic problems are not used to establish consensus. It is an important but difficult cryptographic challenge to get a useful proof of work problem that both establishes consensus and solves an important scientific problem. A cryptographic proof-of-useful-work problem will probably be much less efficient at solving the scientific problem since there are severe restrictions on what is possible with cryptographic proof-of-useful-work problems.

P.S. I prefer calling the problems "useful proof-of-work problems" instead of "proof-of-useful-work" problems. Here, the problem should be primarily a proof-of-work problem, and the adjective 'useful' means that the problem is an element of a subset of the class of all proof-of-work problems. If we instead said 'proof-of-useful-work' problems, that could mean that the problems are unlike traditional proof of work problems and may not satisfy all of the correct cryptographic properties.

There is actually a coin do mining while contributing to medical research it is called banano and you can mine here  https://bananominer.com/. It is not very popular but I think maybe someday trend like this coin is start to exist.

And you can mine Foldingathome by using your cpu and mine other crypto with your gpu

philipma1957-You keep on replying, but you are still being ignored, so I am still not looking at your word salad.

I was reading this idea of yours and wondered if you have gained a lot in practical application of reverse computing.

Interesting idea if it ever works.

Since the sun works and clearly has demonstrated fusion to us my thoughts have been towards energy creation. Which is why I am practically developing the bridge to fusion with my solar array.

Your energy conservation idea is revolutionary if it works.
You have to have a lot of faith to do things in your direction as I believe no large scale model is available to model your software you are looking to make nothing out of something.

I see the sun and am fairly sure that fusion is real.

But to actually believe you can make a working practical reverse computer that spends under 1% of the energy required for a standard computer is pretty nice idea.


Unfortunately your thread is not about mining btc.

It is about your own algorithm cirrcash which by definition means it does not belong in this section.

The circcash algorithm is not the sha256 algorithm which means you are posting in the wrong section.


this section below is where you need to move this thread:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=160.0

have you had many people point gear to circcash?

It seems to be a worthwhile idea. I have a few pcs I could point to your algorithm.

Please note bitcointalk has rules about where to post.

sha256 section is not for your algorithm circcash.

philipma1957-You are ignored. I am not responding to your comment because I am very confident that you have not said anything of substance. I am confident that you instead hate me because I am educated. It is best if you leave this site. It is a shame that this site has been taken over by chlurmcks who simply hate scientific advancement.

A kilowatt costs 3 to 15 cents for most miners

This includes all delivery costs.

A megawatt costs 30 to 150 usd

The solar arrays I developed will produce around 18000 megawatts in the next 30 years.

At 50 dollars a megawatt that is 900,000 usd in power value.

amps
volts
watts
joules are not needed to be defined.

Or even understood for my point to be taken.

I create solar arrays with btc profits. My only need of knowledge for a watt is what value can I be paid for burning it via mining any coin.
Once determine the value of burning a watt I can decide if I want to use the profit from it to make more solar.

If I could add solar for the next ten years.
My daily solar output may grow as high a 10 megawatts vs the 1.7 megawatts I do now each day.

Which would mean 6 x 18,000 = 108,000 megawatts over the next 30 years.

I would gladly mine a dual wrapped btc/fusion power algorithm. But it does not exist.
I think many miners would mine any coin of value btc or whatever if you provide a wrapped btc/algo angle.

Let me know if you write one and I will point my gpus at it as long as it profit enough for me to continue my solar array growth.

Peace out.

1.7 megawatts daily x 365 days = 620.5 megawatts a year x 30 years = drumroll 18615 megawatts for their use life.

I would like to think a person with a Phd in 'sciences' and mathematics could do the simple math.

You only proved you do not understand solar array terms such as "useful life" and or do not know how to multiply

1.7mw (daily) By  365 (days in a year)  by 30 (useful life in years)

Now to go to your argument of find a nice math "al gore rhythm" ,inventor of the internet if the pun is too obscure for you. Use it to solve for both btc and a use scientific problem I actually think it is a great idea on your part. World class actually.


So using gpus link an "al gore rhythm" to the conflux/octopus algorithm and this dual algorithm replaces sha 256.

It needs to be gpus and needs to be complex enough to not allow asics to crack it.

My education is tri-fold Accounting/Economics/IT

My degree is In accounting. Solving great scientific problems is cool but $$$ or (B) (B) (B) will be needed to incentivizing the mining.

I look at all mining as a dollar per watt game. I want to solve world problems and at the moment I contribute future pollution free energy to the tune of 18,600 megawatts of power over the useful life of the arrays which were incentives by mining multiple algorithms.

Such as :

BTC
LTC
DOGE
ETC
ETH
ZIL
CFX

I am an equal opportunist and would mine any coin that allows me profits to expand solar energy.

My play is Solar energy not BTC,LTC,DOGE or what ever say

Cure cancer coin

better yet make an algorithm that combines

Fusion energy development research + BTC

With my solar as the bridge and humanity no longer has to worry about energy shortages.

So yeah I like the idea of wrapping the btc coin with fusion power solve into a gpu friendly algorithm . Hey see if you can write it up I will point my solar powered gpus at it.

Good luck with the new algorithm . Be happy that guys that saw a chance to develop solar arrays will be able to mine that algorithm when it is set up.

peace out.