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Topic: Bitcoiners' Novel Approach to Find Cure for COVID-19: Biohacking (Read 399 times)

legendary
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I think that to be vigilant, especially in times like this, is the wisest thing to do. Even in times like this, there are still people who intent to do no good to others and nonetheless this might be one of those scam act of those who wants to generate money from deceiving others.  And in accordance to the assumed founded cure this pandemic disease, COVID-19, evidences of such experimented vaccines and other products of medicine are still insufficient to justify and support their effectivity to cure the said disease. I would want to use this opportunity to inform everyone to please be careful not to take any medication unless prescribed to you directly by the doctors as every medication has side effects.

absolutely, scammers gonna scam... fake charities and whatnot.

there were first cases of people trying to prevent getting infected with covid-19 by taking 10 pills of chloroquine - and ended up in hospital poisoning themselves.
 Huh

and even if the pharma industry suddenly changed and became do-gooders overnight...
my guess is that it would take some more time until we would hear from something useful to help battle the nuflu or its side effects...

so trump is looking for talented vaccine developers? that sounds like a good job for our "expert" in that biohackers team.
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I think that to be vigilant, especially in times like this, is the wisest thing to do. Even in times like this, there are still people who intent to do no good to others and nonetheless this might be one of those scam act of those who wants to generate money from deceiving others.  And in accordance to the assumed founded cure this pandemic disease, COVID-19, evidences of such experimented vaccines and other products of medicine are still insufficient to justify and support their effectivity to cure the said disease. I would want to use this opportunity to inform everyone to please be careful not to take any medication unless prescribed to you directly by the doctors as every medication has side effects.
legendary
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There are many news stories claiming this.
How did you come to the conclusion there is "no evidence" for it, if you haven't bothered using a search engine to look for evidence?
i've also read the news but all i've seen them provide is guesses. and the doctors i talk to say there has not been any evidence although they say there might be a new strain.

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Like HIV, chinese corona isn't what kills people. Corona weakens their immune system similar to HIV. Then people die from pneumonia and other conditions. That's what the news is reporting anyway.

Are you chinese or currently in china? Maybe chinese news is saying something different.
no i'm not from China.
i usually read these things in more reliable sources that aren't news sites or ask a doctor in person. as i said i'm not sure about it but i have never heard it attack immune system, what it attacks is the cells creating and protecting the respiratory tract. if the infection goes any lower and reaches the lungs we get the severe cases. that is when everything starts to fall apart.
legendary
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i'm sorry but this looks like a bunch of opportunists who have seen a way to make some money using the current drama  that is going on all around the world. besides what do "bitcoiners", bitcoin core devs,... know about medicine anyways? they better stick to things they have knowledge in and let other experts in other fields do their jobs.
and what's up with the anonymity?!!! that is another red flag for me that makes say this is just money grab project.

It could be like that, there's a lot of scammers that use this outbreak as an opportunity, there are cases of fake donations scams, malware spreading, stealing of medical supplies. But it could also be the case of amateur biologists who are into conspiracies about big pharma legitimately trying to develop a vaccine, which is still pretty scary, because these people likely not poses the necessary skills and don't follow all safety procedures, so it all might backfire.

Like always in situations like this many pretend to be something they are not to use that for their personal gain. Many just use current drama and people's fear to make some money, we have to be aware of that.
To be honest, I don't trust amateurs in such serious situation like this, it's better to be in hands of professionals no matter what some think of medical and pharmaceutical industry.
legendary
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chinese corona virus
only politicians with a propaganda add the name of a country to the name of this virus Wink


There is more than one type of corona virus. To ensure people know which I'm referring to, chinese corona virus makes sense. The name alone reminds us of its origins. Names like COVID-19 provide no useful information and are an inferior naming convention as far as I'm concerned.

Calling it COVID-19 is like eliminating the term hungarian notation in software engineering (as apparently that could be "racist"?) and instead calling it XWIN123456789 notation. I would prefer the term hungarian notation due to its history, being a better and more informative term.

Good ideas, money and practices push out bad ideas, money and practices. Chinese corona virus makes sense.



That is definitely improper to attach a country or a race or whatever to a virus, bacteria, disease, and so on. But what surprises me is that the likes of African Swine Fever (ASF), German measles, and so on are still being used officially until now but are not renamed nor perceived to be an affront to the places used. You have also mentioned Ebola which is basically taken from Ebola River in what used to be called Zaire where the outbreak also originated.


There is a movement in the world to destroy historical statues and landmarks to encourage people to forget history. To make it easier for ruling elites to revise history in whatever image they choose.

Ruling elites prefer COVID-19 to chinese corona virus.

Because it gives them wiggle room to invent whatever story they desire around the origins and reality of it.

COVID-19 is easier for people and history books to forget its origins. That's the only reason that terminology is pushed.
legendary
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chinese corona virus
only politicians with a propaganda add the name of a country to the name of this virus Wink

That is definitely improper to attach a country or a race or whatever to a virus, bacteria, disease, and so on. But what surprises me is that the likes of African Swine Fever (ASF), German measles, and so on are still being used officially until now but are not renamed nor perceived to be an affront to the places used. You have also mentioned Ebola which is basically taken from Ebola River in what used to be called Zaire where the outbreak also originated.

Does this standard have to do with who is stubbornly insisting to use it despite its impropriety?

Pardon for the off-topic. Cheesy
legendary
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i'm sorry but this looks like a bunch of opportunists who have seen a way to make some money using the current drama  that is going on all around the world. besides what do "bitcoiners", bitcoin core devs,... know about medicine anyways? they better stick to things they have knowledge in and let other experts in other fields do their jobs.
and what's up with the anonymity?!!! that is another red flag for me that makes say this is just money grab project.

It could be like that, there's a lot of scammers that use this outbreak as an opportunity, there are cases of fake donations scams, malware spreading, stealing of medical supplies. But it could also be the case of amateur biologists who are into conspiracies about big pharma legitimately trying to develop a vaccine, which is still pretty scary, because these people likely not poses the necessary skills and don't follow all safety procedures, so it all might backfire.
legendary
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chinese corona virus
only politicians with a propaganda add the name of a country to the name of this virus Wink

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Corona is being treated with anti HIV medication. If its biology is identical enough to HIV to respond to HIV drugs. We may not be able to develop a vaccine against it. For the same reasons we have no vaccine for HIV.
it is not being "treated", it was only an experiment that has already failed to produce any positive results.
the reason for the experiment was that both viruses use the same enzyme.

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There claims corona is mutating with 2nd strains
there is no evidence for this.

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The mortality percentage of corona is extremely high. Its credited with being fatal to between 1% and 5% of those it infects. By contrast H1N1 had a mortality rate of between 0.01% and 0.1%. The first wave of spanish flu also had a very low mortality. The exceedingly high mortality rate of corona is unusual and there are deductions which could be drawn from this which indicate a vaccine will be ineffective.
3% is not considered "extremely" high. it is high. an extremely high mortality rate is 50% which Ebola had 4 years ago.
and it is not a fair comparison to only compare mortality rate.
https://www.healthline.com/health-news/how-deadly-is-the-coronavirus-compared-to-past-outbreaks

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It simultaneously attacks the immune system like HIV
as far as i know this is false.
people with weaker immune systems are more vulnerable to this virus as they are to any other diseases.
in fact this is one of the reasons why this virus spreads like crazy, because there are many infected people without any symptoms with stronger immune systems that spread it without being ill themselves.
legendary
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Is this endeavor worth your donation? Is this kind of initiative which is too delicate even worth supporting?


FDA regulation heavily favors big business. Their filing fee for applications alone is more than $1 million dollars. America is notorious for medical research being nearly 2x more expensive in contrast to identical research being conducted in foreign countries. This is one reason why stem cell research, cloning and other medical science is normally conducted outside america's borders.

In terms of developing a vaccine to immunize the public against chinese corona virus. It could be 100% impossible. We may be able to prove this via basic science deduction.

Reasons a corona virus vaccine might be impossible via current medical science

  • Corona is being treated with anti HIV medication. If its biology is identical enough to HIV to respond to HIV drugs. We may not be able to develop a vaccine against it. For the same reasons we have no vaccine for HIV.
  • There claims corona is mutating with 2nd strains of it being identified. A single vaccine will not be effective if there are multiple strains.
  • The mortality percentage of corona is extremely high. Its credited with being fatal to between 1% and 5% of those it infects. By contrast H1N1 had a mortality rate of between 0.01% and 0.1%. The first wave of spanish flu also had a very low mortality. The exceedingly high mortality rate of corona is unusual and there are deductions which could be drawn from this which indicate a vaccine will be ineffective.
  • Corona has been described by doctors as a cross between SARS and HIV. It simultaneously attacks the immune system like HIV and the lungs like SARS. There are things which may be deduced from this, in terms of how a virus like this could arise naturally. Which could indicate a vaccine against it will be extremely difficult if not impossible.

Based on this discussion on ACE inhibitors and related topics:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22500063

Other avenues of corona treatment could yield better results than a vaccine. But I don't know enough to say whether or not this is certain.

There could also be value in natural foods and plants which carry anti viral effects for treating corona. Google: "foods with anti viral properties". You might be surprised at some of the results.
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Furthermore, the group is aware that whatever vaccine they would come up with may have a tiny chance of working. But that tiny chance is enough for them to pursue it and invest on it. But resources is something they also need, that is why they are also asking for donations. As others may naturally think of this as a potential scam, some personalities from the Bitcoin community are vouching for the anonymous group. Mark Friedenbach of Blockstream assures that "It is not a scam."

I "group of people",who want to stay anonymous,want to create a vaccine,but the chance of that vaccine being successful is tiny,however they are asking for donations.Sounds like a scam to me(or a stupid joke).
So we have to believe that this is not a scam,only because a guy named Mark Friedenbach says this is not a scam.I've never heard of this guy.His opinion means nothing to me.
The big pharmaceutical companies will have to help for creating a coronavirus vaccine.Crypto projects aren't the solution.
legendary
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another thought, this guy who claims to be able to develop a vaccine should maybe just go and join a professional team and develop it.
i don't see why biohackers who claim the government is making things too slow and difficult and want money to work on their own risky solution should make things better. respect for trying to help – but why not just go official and get hired? i am sure experts are more than needed right now.
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Is this endeavor worth your donation? Is this kind of initiative which is too delicate even worth supporting?

Source:
https://www.coindesk.com/bitcoiners-are-biohacking-a-diy-coronavirus-vaccine?utm_source=hootsuite&utm_medium=twitter&utm_term=Events&utm_content=Register&utm_campaign=FATF
I don't know, it doesn't look trustworthy to me. The pandemic might be very serious but it's not possible to assess its scope just yet. In Ukraine, for instance, there are only 3 confirmed cases, but an important thing to note here is that only 60 people out of about 35 million were tested! So there might be 10 cases, 100 cases or maybe over a million in Ukraine (or any country with a similar level of testing conducted), and we wouldn't know. Developing a vaccine is an important task of humanity, but I don't think that an anonymous isolated group asking for donations is what we need right now. It should be renowned scientists, working together and making sure that they're making it safe for humans, at least!
legendary
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i find the whole project questionable and a little bit too risky to be honest. i wouldn't send them bitcoin either. the whole idea smells bad and is unprofessional in my eyes. their hiding behind anonymity is also not helping - if this would be an ICO or something like that i would just laugh it off.
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Honestly, it's hard to trust those people who are anonymous trying to find the cure for this corona virus, if they make cure for this, that would still be illegal without government's approval and even that cure will be created but there are still test to be created as usually for medicines they have side effect or after effect, and that could be another risk.

we should be thankful because we know that there are people that are far more concern than the government and other higher sectors  . another to be proud of is that the guy is said to be a bitcoiner  . we must try it but there are risk or harm on trying it because its a medicine that aren't regulated by a pharmacy or big medical groups  but still we must try rather than got killed without doing anything to fight the virus  . sure can do something like basic treatment but this isn't enough to kill a strong virus like this one that needs a specific formula  
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Honestly, it's hard to trust those people who are anonymous trying to find the cure for this corona virus, if they make cure for this, that would still be illegal without government's approval and even that cure will be created but there are still test to be created as usually for medicines they have side effect or after effect, and that could be another risk.
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They won't find a vaccine. You need to test it for at least a year, and to check on its interaction with other poisons that Big Pharma produces. In a year's time, the virus will have changed, and the vaccine will be useless. In fact there is a growing body of opinion that believes that the virus started with an inadequately tested rogue vaccine. That seems to fit most of the known facts surrounding the virus.

In the meantime, one of the most effective cures seems to be drinking hot water. For every one degree that you raise the core body temperature, you double the effect of the immune system. Of course they won't be publicising this, as you can sell hot water in pill form. Smiley

As a side note - the virus lives for a maximum of 3 hours on copper surfaces, but can live for up to 2 days on cardboard and stainless steel.
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I read that Israeli scientists are close to announcing a vaccine for the cure of Covid-19, and the WHO is already committed to sponsoring any regulated research on this vaccine. I won't know if they will allow an anonymous self-regulated group to come up with their result since it has to pass through clinical trials and approvals.
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Calling the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) a "potential hindrance" in urgently finding a vaccine that is capable of fighting COVID-19, a group of anonymous bitcoiners are now trying to take things into their own hands, disregarding the pharmaceuticals and FDA on the process.

According to the spokesperson of the group naming itself CoroHope:
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FDA-compliant manufacturing is absurdly overregulated: paperwork for the paperwork, quadruple-checking, endless committees … just the worst of bureaucracy. So we can be more nimble.

Furthermore, the group is aware that whatever vaccine they would come up with may have a tiny chance of working. But that tiny chance is enough for them to pursue it and invest on it. But resources is something they also need, that is why they are also asking for donations. As others may naturally think of this as a potential scam, some personalities from the Bitcoin community are vouching for the anonymous group. Mark Friedenbach of Blockstream assures that "It is not a scam."

But would you give your trust to unknown Bitcoin fans bypassing the necessary agencies tasked to make sure drugs administered to people are properly checked and are safe to use? Bitcoin Core contributor, Bryan Bishop, left after 2 days of joining the biohacking initiative because "There's just too much liability."

Well, personally, I am torn between the greedy pharmaceutical companies and their red-tape and bribe-ridden partner-in-crime, FDA, and the reliability of an anonymous group's biohacking project.

Is this endeavor worth your donation? Is this kind of initiative which is too delicate even worth supporting?

Source:
https://www.coindesk.com/bitcoiners-are-biohacking-a-diy-coronavirus-vaccine?utm_source=hootsuite&utm_medium=twitter&utm_term=Events&utm_content=Register&utm_campaign=FATF

Money is really the root of all evil. Money can make people go nuts and may be someone who doesn't care at all. Personally, I think when it comes to saving humanity, one doesn't stop and become indecisive. You have seen that there is a one point or check for its legibility so the best way here is to check two more points before diving in. But if you really want to help, you can do it personally such as donating to various groups and other departments to ensure that there will be a place for your help.
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According to the stats , Canada have already found the Corona Virus vaccine, the animal testing was successful and now they are going to test on humans.

Even many other countries are very close to developing the vaccine , I do think that it would be good if instead of going other ways people can collaborate with each other.
This would drastically increase the efficiency and decrease the Makin time , so I do think maybe one can help them instead of going another way.
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