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sr. member
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September 02, 2014, 08:39:25 PM
#13
There is NO LAW requiring you to pay any taxes on your bitcoin.

If the IRS said you had to pay taxes on your WoW gold, would some of you dunces pay them for that, too?
You are correct that no law mentions specifically when forcing people to pay taxes. However there are laws that make you pay taxes when you sell your assets for more then you purchased them for. There are also laws that say when you engage in a transaction that does not involve money (a barter transaction) then you must "pretend" that fiat was exchanged prior to the transaction to get both the cost basis of the item being purchased and the sale price of the item being sold.
newbie
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September 01, 2014, 07:57:10 AM
#12
There is NO LAW requiring you to pay any taxes on your bitcoin.

If the IRS said you had to pay taxes on your WoW gold, would some of you dunces pay them for that, too?

 Smiley I got the point, correct you are right  Smiley
legendary
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August 29, 2014, 11:05:44 PM
#11
There is NO LAW requiring you to pay any taxes on your bitcoin.

If the IRS said you had to pay taxes on your WoW gold, would some of you dunces pay them for that, too?
newbie
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August 28, 2014, 05:40:16 AM
#10
But I assume that Bitcoin will be taxed accordingly based on each country's tax percentage.
hero member
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August 25, 2014, 06:06:16 PM
#9
It's inevitable that countries would try to tax bitcoin, it's either that or ban it. But if someone only deals in bitcoin, how are the governments going to enforce that? That's the big question to me.

How do governments enforce income tax? How does government enforce taxes on any private transactions?

In the USA:
The I.R.S. No one wants to fuck with the I.R.S. Bitcoin is a general ledger, they literally can see every single transaction that ever takes place..
Ok, but consider a situation like this:

Steve completes a task or sells a service. Steve gets paid in bitcoin. Steve never reveals his real idenitity to his customer/employer. Wouldn't Steve have to be a moron to report his bitcoin earnings in this case? Or am I missing something?
If, in your example, Steve were to spend his coins on some amount of goods and/or converts his BTC into fiat then he would likely be able to live a much higher standard of living then what he is reporting as his income. This alone is something that the IRS can use as evidence of tax evasion. This is assuming that Steve does this over many times and earns a lot from doing this verses the amount he earns from his reported income. If Steve only makes a little bit then it would be hard to detect but would still be unethical.

explain "much higher standard of living", the problem is all there, if he just use the not reported income for something small like pc component and electro domestic stuff, they won't trace him, foods is also a good things to buy, if you want escape taxes
If you buy things like a nicer car and a bigger house then what your (reported) income would suggest that you can afford then the IRS could charge you for tax evasion. The IRS would likely not be able to charge you if you only buy a few small things with your unreported income, but small things add up over time and over time it is easier for others to see that you are really making more money then you say you are making.
legendary
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August 25, 2014, 09:49:34 AM
#8
It's inevitable that countries would try to tax bitcoin, it's either that or ban it. But if someone only deals in bitcoin, how are the governments going to enforce that? That's the big question to me.

How do governments enforce income tax? How does government enforce taxes on any private transactions?

In the USA:
The I.R.S. No one wants to fuck with the I.R.S. Bitcoin is a general ledger, they literally can see every single transaction that ever takes place..

not the one done face to face, what if i sold something and i pay it in bitcoin face to face? impossible to track

It's inevitable that countries would try to tax bitcoin, it's either that or ban it. But if someone only deals in bitcoin, how are the governments going to enforce that? That's the big question to me.

How do governments enforce income tax? How does government enforce taxes on any private transactions?

In the USA:
The I.R.S. No one wants to fuck with the I.R.S. Bitcoin is a general ledger, they literally can see every single transaction that ever takes place..
Ok, but consider a situation like this:

Steve completes a task or sells a service. Steve gets paid in bitcoin. Steve never reveals his real idenitity to his customer/employer. Wouldn't Steve have to be a moron to report his bitcoin earnings in this case? Or am I missing something?
If, in your example, Steve were to spend his coins on some amount of goods and/or converts his BTC into fiat then he would likely be able to live a much higher standard of living then what he is reporting as his income. This alone is something that the IRS can use as evidence of tax evasion. This is assuming that Steve does this over many times and earns a lot from doing this verses the amount he earns from his reported income. If Steve only makes a little bit then it would be hard to detect but would still be unethical.

explain "much higher standard of living", the problem is all there, if he just use the not reported income for something small like pc component and electro domestic stuff, they won't trace him, foods is also a good things to buy, if you want escape taxes
newbie
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August 25, 2014, 05:59:21 AM
#7
It's inevitable that countries would try to tax bitcoin, it's either that or ban it. But if someone only deals in bitcoin, how are the governments going to enforce that? That's the big question to me.

How do governments enforce income tax? How does government enforce taxes on any private transactions?

In the USA:
The I.R.S. No one wants to fuck with the I.R.S. Bitcoin is a general ledger, they literally can see every single transaction that ever takes place..
Ok, but consider a situation like this:

Steve completes a task or sells a service. Steve gets paid in bitcoin. Steve never reveals his real idenitity to his customer/employer. Wouldn't Steve have to be a moron to report his bitcoin earnings in this case? Or am I missing something?
If, in your example, Steve were to spend his coins on some amount of goods and/or converts his BTC into fiat then he would likely be able to live a much higher standard of living then what he is reporting as his income. This alone is something that the IRS can use as evidence of tax evasion. This is assuming that Steve does this over many times and earns a lot from doing this verses the amount he earns from his reported income. If Steve only makes a little bit then it would be hard to detect but would still be unethical.

Does anyone knows where I can find a list with countries which have already impose taxes on gains from Bitcoin? I've tried searching the internet but I couldn't find anything.
hero member
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August 23, 2014, 01:37:12 PM
#6
It's inevitable that countries would try to tax bitcoin, it's either that or ban it. But if someone only deals in bitcoin, how are the governments going to enforce that? That's the big question to me.

How do governments enforce income tax? How does government enforce taxes on any private transactions?

In the USA:
The I.R.S. No one wants to fuck with the I.R.S. Bitcoin is a general ledger, they literally can see every single transaction that ever takes place..
Ok, but consider a situation like this:

Steve completes a task or sells a service. Steve gets paid in bitcoin. Steve never reveals his real idenitity to his customer/employer. Wouldn't Steve have to be a moron to report his bitcoin earnings in this case? Or am I missing something?
If, in your example, Steve were to spend his coins on some amount of goods and/or converts his BTC into fiat then he would likely be able to live a much higher standard of living then what he is reporting as his income. This alone is something that the IRS can use as evidence of tax evasion. This is assuming that Steve does this over many times and earns a lot from doing this verses the amount he earns from his reported income. If Steve only makes a little bit then it would be hard to detect but would still be unethical.
legendary
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August 23, 2014, 08:49:23 AM
#5
It's inevitable that countries would try to tax bitcoin, it's either that or ban it. But if someone only deals in bitcoin, how are the governments going to enforce that? That's the big question to me.

How do governments enforce income tax? How does government enforce taxes on any private transactions?

In the USA:
The I.R.S. No one wants to fuck with the I.R.S. Bitcoin is a general ledger, they literally can see every single transaction that ever takes place..
Ok, but consider a situation like this:

Steve completes a task or sells a service. Steve gets paid in bitcoin. Steve never reveals his real idenitity to his customer/employer. Wouldn't Steve have to be a moron to report his bitcoin earnings in this case? Or am I missing something?

The problem comes when Steve sells his bitcoins. If he is unable to spend it on something anonymously, it might be a problem to him.
member
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August 22, 2014, 02:00:58 PM
#4
It's inevitable that countries would try to tax bitcoin, it's either that or ban it. But if someone only deals in bitcoin, how are the governments going to enforce that? That's the big question to me.

How do governments enforce income tax? How does government enforce taxes on any private transactions?

In the USA:
The I.R.S. No one wants to fuck with the I.R.S. Bitcoin is a general ledger, they literally can see every single transaction that ever takes place..
Ok, but consider a situation like this:

Steve completes a task or sells a service. Steve gets paid in bitcoin. Steve never reveals his real idenitity to his customer/employer. Wouldn't Steve have to be a moron to report his bitcoin earnings in this case? Or am I missing something?
legendary
Activity: 882
Merit: 1000
August 21, 2014, 08:09:38 PM
#3
It's inevitable that countries would try to tax bitcoin, it's either that or ban it. But if someone only deals in bitcoin, how are the governments going to enforce that? That's the big question to me.

How do governments enforce income tax? How does government enforce taxes on any private transactions?

In the USA:
The I.R.S. No one wants to fuck with the I.R.S. Bitcoin is a general ledger, they literally can see every single transaction that ever takes place..
member
Activity: 239
Merit: 10
August 21, 2014, 08:03:37 PM
#2
It's inevitable that countries would try to tax bitcoin, it's either that or ban it. But if someone only deals in bitcoin, how are the governments going to enforce that? That's the big question to me.
newbie
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August 20, 2014, 06:02:15 AM
#1
Reading today a post on onestopbrokers.com from the source theaustralian about paying capital gains tax on selling Bitcoins it seems to me that more and more countries are looking to control the idea of cryptocurrencies. Yes, on one part this is good not only for the "security" of these assets but also for the community in general but on the other hand it seems that the meaning of buying and selling crypto currencies in general but also paying with these assets for purchasing stuff is loosing the meaning of the idea of creating and possessing such assets. It seems that crypto currencies will be "another" currency like the others.
I don't know, maybe I'm wrong because I'm new to Bitcoin and crypto currencies but this is how I feel.
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