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"bitcoins are not good for anything besides trading."

How stupid is this assertion, seriously!

When I hear it, I can't help thinking "yeah but trading is what money is about, you moron!"

It is just as silly as saying:

"a telephone is not good for anything besides talking to people."

pff...


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legendary
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"bitcoins are not good for anything besides trading."

How stupid is this assertion, seriously!

When I hear it, I can't help thinking "yeah but trading is what money is about, you moron!"

It is just as silly as saying:

"a telephone is not good for anything besides talking to people."

pff...
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Thank you for quite literally addressing 1:1 my thoughts.

My related post on this: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.120531

Would love to hear more on this.
 
I am strongly encouraged by this all still lasting a little while longer as long as I read posts stating that people are still hoarding(i.e. are withholding supply) while others still join the rush to "free money"..

My thoughts: exploit it while it's hot, make sure to get it while it can get got..

You're forgeting that there's a culture here as well. I'm gonna buy diapers again, regardless where it goes this month.
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coming back to reality for just a moment: the only thing that gives this currency value, is that other people think this currency has value. This is a weak philosophy. Even fiat currencies are MUCH more secure against widespread collapse of value, simply because while wages are still being given out in a currency, and the government still accepts payment in that currency, it has real-world value. Even if its a fraction of what it used to represent. Bitcoins have no such safety net, and from a "Greenist" philosophy, is an unneeded waste of processing, as well as electrical power. Aside from arguing that a bitcoin is easier to trade than fiat, this entire Bitcoin project, is nothing more than a sophisticated form of gambling the size of which has never been seen before. Only, the value of the currency is on its way up. When the end of the currency comes, and people start to realise soon there will be no more bitcoins, the economy will collapse. Afterall, money cannot be made out of nothing. You nailed it yourself, "With bitcoin all you can do is spend it." - No seller will accept purchases made with bitcoin untill he's sure HE has other sellers he can buy from.

Thank you for quite literally addressing 1:1 my thoughts.

My related post on this: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.120531

Would love to hear more on this.
 
I am strongly encouraged by this all still lasting a little while longer as long as I read posts stating that people are still hoarding(i.e. are withholding supply) while others still join the rush to "free money"..

My thoughts: exploit it while it's hot, make sure to get it while it can get got..
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I bought diapers. I would have $500 now, almost 3x.

Do I care? Not even the least. I used it as I chose. I will again purchase what I need soon. And when I tally up the lost opportunity, it won't mean a thing. I prefer a healthy bitcoin over a bloated one and more people will do the same.

Diskcoin, cyclecoin, bandcoin, and servcoin will be the threshold and the crossing will never be reversed.
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Aside from arguing that a bitcoin is easier to trade than fiat, this entire Bitcoin project, is nothing more than a sophisticated form of gambling the size of which has never been seen before.

You must not have been paying attention to the stock market?  Or for more pure gambling, the futures market.
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Hey, i'm new to bitcoin, but i'm fairly sure you've answered my only question.

I was under the impression that the bitcoins we generated were actually useful to someone, somewhere, not as a trading currency but actually because they can be used as a tool in cryptography or similar profession.

I understand now that i'm wrong in this assumption? - Bit coins are only useful for trading because they're easily provable to have been generated in the same network and using the same program as everyone else's bitcoins? How disappointing. While i understand that such a proof-of-work (Or, should i say, 'Proof of having done some pointless work in standardized form') is very suitable as a  'Currency' in that it is difficult to counterfeit, and easily transported, it is nethertheless worthless as a $100USD bill in actually creating something useful to humans, as opposed to trading for something that *IS* useful.

Please correct me if i'm wrong.

Yes, bitcoins can only be used for trading. That's because they embody the concept of money exactly: Store of value, unit of account, medium of exchange.  They do these things well, and nothing else.  That's the epitome of an elegant system.  It's not more complicated than it needs to be, because it's focused on its intent.  By making bitcoins ONLY operate as money, Satoshi subtly jabs at all other money which has other purposes.  Fiat (taxes), gold (jewelry), all these things detract from the essence of money.  Using money to fund government means it gets devalued, and degrades its owner's status.  Using money to make jewelry means it's envied, and elevates its owner's status.  With bitcoin all you can do is spend it.  There's no other reason to keep it unless you can conceive an actual or hypothetical trade to perform in the future.  This will keep bitcoins liquid, since you will trade them away when you find a trade you want to make.  Therefore, you will tend to be able to get your hands on some when you need them.  Using money as money keeps the owner's status refreshingly neutral.  If you have bitcoins and find they're not useful, that means it's time to sell.  If you have money and find it's not useful, that means it's time to look for some true value in life.

While you have a very nice philosophical argument there, and i'm sure that some people would be sufficiently bedazzled at the seemingly perfect nature of the bitcoin (the 'essence' of money. HARDLY, the 'essence' of money is a representation of material goods and services, not as the current day fiat types), but coming back to reality for just a moment: the only thing that gives this currency value, is that other people think this currency has value. This is a weak philosophy. Even fiat currencies are MUCH more secure against widespread collapse of value, simply because while wages are still being given out in a currency, and the government still accepts payment in that currency, it has real-world value. Even if its a fraction of what it used to represent. Bitcoins have no such safety net, and from a "Greenist" philosophy, is an unneeded waste of processing, as well as electrical power. Aside from arguing that a bitcoin is easier to trade than fiat, this entire Bitcoin project, is nothing more than a sophisticated form of gambling the size of which has never been seen before. Only, the value of the currency is on its way up. When the end of the currency comes, and people start to realise soon there will be no more bitcoins, the economy will collapse. Afterall, money cannot be made out of nothing. You nailed it yourself, "With bitcoin all you can do is spend it." - No seller will accept purchases made with bitcoin untill he's sure HE has other sellers he can buy from.
legendary
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Precisely. Western Union, Moneygram, banks, etc. make money despite despite their 19th century mindsets.
Bitcoin is better than they are in almost every way except scale.

Even if no one ever buys a physical object with Bitcoin, the ability to transfer money worldwide and cash it in at a BTC/Fiat exchange will keep the market active.  After that, I find it hard to imagine that immigrants won't want to be paid in BTC (easily sent home, not on paper, tax...), that drug dealers won't just find it so much more convenient as a strategic reserve, that microservice providers in India won't accept BTC...

India?
if you have guts come with location.
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Precisely. Western Union, Moneygram, banks, etc. make money despite despite their 19th century mindsets.
Bitcoin is better than they are in almost every way except scale.

Even if no one ever buys a physical object with Bitcoin, the ability to transfer money worldwide and cash it in at a BTC/Fiat exchange will keep the market active.  After that, I find it hard to imagine that immigrants won't want to be paid in BTC (easily sent home, not on paper, tax...), that drug dealers won't just find it so much more convenient as a strategic reserve, that microservice providers in India won't accept BTC...

This is really where it's going to strike as a valuable service first...the places where the standardized big dog currencies label as a "black market"
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Precisely. Western Union, Moneygram, banks, etc. make money despite despite their 19th century mindsets.
Bitcoin is better than they are in almost every way except scale.

Even if no one ever buys a physical object with Bitcoin, the ability to transfer money worldwide and cash it in at a BTC/Fiat exchange will keep the market active.  After that, I find it hard to imagine that immigrants won't want to be paid in BTC (easily sent home, not on paper, tax...), that drug dealers won't just find it so much more convenient as a strategic reserve, that microservice providers in India won't accept BTC...
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Hey, i'm new to bitcoin, but i'm fairly sure you've answered my only question.

I was under the impression that the bitcoins we generated were actually useful to someone, somewhere, not as a trading currency but actually because they can be used as a tool in cryptography or similar profession.

I understand now that i'm wrong in this assumption? - Bit coins are only useful for trading because they're easily provable to have been generated in the same network and using the same program as everyone else's bitcoins? How disappointing. While i understand that such a proof-of-work (Or, should i say, 'Proof of having done some pointless work in standardized form') is very suitable as a  'Currency' in that it is difficult to counterfeit, and easily transported, it is nethertheless worthless as a $100USD bill in actually creating something useful to humans, as opposed to trading for something that *IS* useful.

Please correct me if i'm wrong.

Yes, bitcoins can only be used for trading. That's because they embody the concept of money exactly: Store of value, unit of account, medium of exchange.  They do these things well, and nothing else.  That's the epitome of an elegant system.  It's not more complicated than it needs to be, because it's focused on its intent.  By making bitcoins ONLY operate as money, Satoshi subtly jabs at all other money which has other purposes.  Fiat (taxes), gold (jewelry), all these things detract from the essence of money.  Using money to fund government means it gets devalued, and degrades its owner's status.  Using money to make jewelry means it's envied, and elevates its owner's status.  With bitcoin all you can do is spend it.  There's no other reason to keep it unless you can conceive an actual or hypothetical trade to perform in the future.  This will keep bitcoins liquid, since you will trade them away when you find a trade you want to make.  Therefore, you will tend to be able to get your hands on some when you need them.  Using money as money keeps the owner's status refreshingly neutral.  If you have bitcoins and find they're not useful, that means it's time to sell.  If you have money and find it's not useful, that means it's time to look for some true value in life.
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I bought diapers.

Congratulations...

If BTC really does as well as some people think, you could have financed your kid's studies if you had kept these few BTC.

If it doesn't, then you were really better off with diapers - only time will tell.

You misunderstand.

It already did well.

I bought diapers.

I kept the rest.

The only way to get to the college education is to trade with bitcoin more.
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Do The Evolution
What do you say of the 10K BTC pizzas?
That guy has 100K USD now and it is just starting. D:

Dunno if he hold it however the buyer, a mod here, has now bought the most expensive pizzas. Hope they were the best in the world.
legendary
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I bought diapers.

Congratulations...

If BTC really does as well as some people think, you could have financed your kid's studies if you had kept these few BTC.

If it doesn't, then you were really better off with diapers - only time will tell.
legendary
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Yesterday i applied for vpn service & i got it instantly with out loosing charges to some monopoly suckers.
It seems the creator of this thread so far didn't understand fully how human mind works.

Human are ready to adopt to any new system, if the new system runs parallel with old system.
Yes, bitcoins is some what tougher to use now. But it can be used efficiently & also with out has to pay some 1-40% as commission to transfer money.

If anyone want to buy goods with bitcoin, its very simple.
Every one at least know 2 languages. One is mother tongue & another language.
Bitcoin is another new language & it is fluctuating very high.
So, if want to sell, a seller can mention the price in his mother language, thats currency he knows & uses, here USD
He also says bitcoin accepted.
When some one wants to buy on bitcoin, seller can convert the usd price to btc on that particular date according to fluctuation.
Thats it, very simple.

Yesterday i bought vpn service for 1.64 btc/month & today price is 1.53 btc.
It just conversion which seller has to mention or buyer has to calculate.
my seller converted for his customers.

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Besides papercraft, what can you make that is useful to humans with a 100 USD bill?



Exactly my point.

I bought diapers.
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You can't roll up a bitcoin and do a line...
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Besides papercraft, what can you make that is useful to humans with a 100 USD bill?



Exactly my point.
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Besides papercraft, what can you make that is useful to humans with a 100 USD bill?



Prophecy, apparently.   Tongue  http://youtu.be/HpskvfE06yw
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Besides papercraft, what can you make that is useful to humans with a 100 USD bill?

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