Pages:
Author

Topic: Bitcoins: designed to fail - page 2. (Read 6320 times)

full member
Activity: 238
Merit: 100
ROAD TO HEAVEN...
September 26, 2014, 06:33:59 PM
#33
My money is on bitcoins, but the only thing I'm worried about is if bitcoin is like the netscape of the internet.

This is a very curious point.  Marc Andreesen was the man behind Netscape.  Now, Marc Andreesen is largely behind Bitcoin.  What if he is just a major two-time loser?  On the first day Microsoft came out with a browser, I knew Netscape was DEAD.  Everyone told me I was crazy and Microsoft would never catch up.  Netscape was silly rookie garbage compared to the first IE.   

Now we have the same guy betting on bitcoin.  Could he be just as wrong about the 'Internet of money'?  Possibly. 

Just because a guy is rich doesn't mean he is right.  Andreesen might actually prove to be the biggest tech failure ever if bitcoin fails and gets replaced by a nice sweet version from Microsoft.  lol 

just kidding Marc or Mark - whatever!!!

The plot thickens.
legendary
Activity: 1596
Merit: 1026
September 26, 2014, 06:06:32 PM
#32
My money is on bitcoins, but the only thing I'm worried about is if bitcoin is like the netscape of the internet.

This is a very curious point.  Marc Andreesen was the man behind Netscape.  Now, Marc Andreesen is largely behind Bitcoin.  What if he is just a major two-time loser?  On the first day Microsoft came out with a browser, I knew Netscape was DEAD.  Everyone told me I was crazy and Microsoft would never catch up.  Netscape was silly rookie garbage compared to the first IE.   

Now we have the same guy betting on bitcoin.  Could he be just as wrong about the 'Internet of money'?  Possibly. 

Just because a guy is rich doesn't mean he is right.  Andreesen might actually prove to be the biggest tech failure ever if bitcoin fails and gets replaced by a nice sweet version from Microsoft.  lol 

just kidding Marc or Mark - whatever!!!
newbie
Activity: 1
Merit: 0
September 26, 2014, 05:42:40 PM
#31
I think the OP should at least be re-worded.   I guess you could make an argument that "Bitcoin is destined to fail"  (I don't agree with this).

But Bitcoin was definitely NOT "designed to fail"   No one creates something that takes a ton of time and effort, with the intentions of it purposely failing. 

I really think BTC is almost getting headed to the point where it is "too big to fail"   There are too many brilliant minds, and too much VC money in the ecosystem to allow the protocol to fail...

My money is on bitcoins, but the only thing I'm worried about is if bitcoin is like the netscape of the internet. What happens if/when mozilla/chrome comes around? Will bitcoin plummet in a week cause something better comes around? Or will cryptos just act like different currencies of different countries? Each having their own value.
legendary
Activity: 1456
Merit: 1001
This is the land of wolves now & you're not a wolf
September 26, 2014, 05:36:24 PM
#30
I think the OP should at least be re-worded.   I guess you could make an argument that "Bitcoin is destined to fail"  (I don't agree with this).

But Bitcoin was definitely NOT "designed to fail"   No one creates something that takes a ton of time and effort, with the intentions of it purposely failing. 

I really think BTC is almost getting headed to the point where it is "too big to fail"   There are too many brilliant minds, and too much VC money in the ecosystem to allow the protocol to fail...
member
Activity: 96
Merit: 10
September 26, 2014, 05:30:31 PM
#29
It's a damn shame that decimal place can't be moved. A damn shame....
legendary
Activity: 1596
Merit: 1026
September 26, 2014, 04:52:49 PM
#28

I am simply stunned that the bitcoin community has people as shockingly dumb as the OP.  Maybe in the end, Bitcoin is going to fail, but it will fail because of stupid people in the community rather than because there aren't enough units.  What a moron.
member
Activity: 84
Merit: 10
★Bitin.io★ - Instant Exchange
September 26, 2014, 04:45:20 PM
#27
while readily available and could be I guess money does not matter Cheesy

because I am always looking for free never buy bitcoin for invesatsi Cheesy

if you go just with free, well you should hope about scenarios people posted here. who knows maybe will one day 0.01 BTC really be worth fortune.
legendary
Activity: 1960
Merit: 1026
September 26, 2014, 02:20:14 PM
#26
while readily available and could be I guess money does not matter Cheesy

because I am always looking for free never buy bitcoin for invesatsi Cheesy
legendary
Activity: 1456
Merit: 1001
This is the land of wolves now & you're not a wolf
September 26, 2014, 12:07:27 PM
#25
Bitcoins will fail because no government on earth will let it be legal with something that they cannot control or get taxes from.

I think they will create something similar except that it will let all transactions be recorded.

But I still think bitcoins will be used as a black market for trading illegal things and for avoiding taxes.

Druglords and mafia can use bitcoins and only the italian mafia is extremly big, than you got the triads, the yakuza the mexicans etc.

So it will probably have some value.







Taxes have and always will be up to the citizen to claim their earnings.   If you choose to lie about your taxes, you may get away with it, or you may get caught and suffer the consequences.   You said above that the government cannot get taxes from BTC...they actually already are (in the form of short or long term capital gains).   You are supposed to claim your gains, just as you would on any other stock, mutual fund, or other investment vehicle...
9kv
full member
Activity: 145
Merit: 100
Learning
September 26, 2014, 10:45:40 AM
#24
So you can use satoshis for transactions!
full member
Activity: 224
Merit: 100
September 26, 2014, 08:38:55 AM
#23
$150 trillion divided by 21 million BTC equals $7.14million/BTC.
hero member
Activity: 784
Merit: 1000
https://youtu.be/PZm8TTLR2NU
September 26, 2014, 08:13:25 AM
#22
This means there is (...) 0.03 BTC for every world citizen.
When the dust has settled and fiat is dead, 0.03 BTC will make a person very, very wealthy.

Because by then, .03 BTC will not be .03 BTC at all, it will be 3,000 bits - a small fortune. Spoiler: no one will be measuring wealth in Bitcoins anymore, they'll be measuring in bits.

Measuring wealth in BTC in the post-fiat era would be as absurd as measuring wealth in # of mega-yachts today.



hero member
Activity: 658
Merit: 500
September 26, 2014, 08:12:45 AM
#21
Is there a need to bring this old post back, other than just create more FUD?
donator
Activity: 1736
Merit: 1014
Let's talk governance, lipstick, and pigs.
September 26, 2014, 08:06:27 AM
#20
The more things change, the more FUD stays the same.
donator
Activity: 1617
Merit: 1012
June 04, 2011, 06:56:50 AM
#19


And it can be changed to divide further.

http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=2150.0


Kind of like a reversion from the new back to the old Turkish Lira.

I was in financial software back then and glad they did it, because some of the banking transactions in the old turkish Lira had so many zeros behind them that were at risk of overflowing the variables we used in our softwre to store them. (We only could use fixed decimal datatypes to avoid round off errors).
full member
Activity: 406
Merit: 100
June 04, 2011, 06:25:14 AM
#18

I don't think the creator's intention was to design a currency of which 1 coin would ultimately be worth +/- 1 million dollars.  I think his intention was to design a digital currency that is distributed, decentralized, and pseudonymous/anonymous.

Not to take over all the other currencies?
It's a little bit a pity that 'they' didn't do some 'back of the envelope' calculations like this.
But hey, they did a great job anyway  Cool
full member
Activity: 406
Merit: 100
June 04, 2011, 06:22:49 AM
#17
Bitcoins will fail because no government on earth will let it be legal with something that they cannot control or get taxes from.

I think they will create something similar except that it will let all transactions be recorded.

But I still think bitcoins will be used as a black market for trading illegal things and for avoiding taxes.

Druglords and mafia can use bitcoins and only the italian mafia is extremly big, than you got the triads, the yakuza the mexicans etc.

So it will probably have some value.

Yes, I agree with that one. Bitcoins are too great a threat to the interests of the banking cabal for them to just let it take over their business. And not only business, as one Rothschild bankster already has said: 'Let me control the issue of money in a country, and I do not care who writes its laws. Because he who has control over the issuance of money, has control over the country. And I control the issuance of money.' or something close to that. We are talking here about taking control over the world out of the hands of the biggest and wealthiest (banker) families on the world, who have shown not to be shy of (having countries) starting wars to protect their interests (in two meanings) and wealth.
No doubt, as bitcoin will grow, governments, controlled by the banks -- and that includes much like all countries, except (what a coincidence) those on the 'axis of evil': Venezuela, Libia, Iran, Afghanistan (oh no, we 'solved' that one), Syria, North-Korea -- will crack down with full force on the network.
First demonising it: "Used for laundring money, drug traficking (of course the CIA is a big user of bitcoin), weapons dealing and child porn." as if the USD isn't used for this.
Then by demonising everybody who dares to use it.
This will be combined with encroaching legislation: forbidding the exchanges to keep it a virtual currency, then forbidding the network traffic of it (deep packet inspection), forbidding TOR, restricting access to internet until everybody HAS to connect every service through an ISP portal (this will be combined with a total monopoly of the big ISP corporations).
Then SWAT-team like crackdowns on the exchanges and ultimately on the private households that are using the bitcoin network (and are listed now 'as we speak') and will continue to use it after the legislation has been passed that outlaws the use of it.
Then it will be a black market thing, with high fines and imprisonment for 'perpetrators of economic crimes'.

legendary
Activity: 2198
Merit: 1311
June 04, 2011, 06:08:39 AM
#16
And it can be changed to divide further.
Great to see that! Thanks for setting things straight.

And for the rest of respondents like FreeMoney, mewantsbitcoins, mintaka, proudhon: I had a good laugh with your replies  Grin

Still, I don't see why you'd want to design a currency of which 1 coin would ultimately be worth +/- 1 million dollar?

I don't think the creator's intention was to design a currency of which 1 coin would ultimately be worth +/- 1 million dollars.  I think his intention was to design a digital currency that is distributed, decentralized, and pseudonymous/anonymous.
full member
Activity: 406
Merit: 100
June 04, 2011, 06:05:24 AM
#15
And it can be changed to divide further.
Great to see that! Thanks for setting things straight.

And for the rest of respondents like FreeMoney, mewantsbitcoins, mintaka, proudhon: I had a good laugh with your replies  Grin

Still, I don't see why you'd want to design a currency of which 1 coin would ultimately be worth +/- 1 million dollar?
legendary
Activity: 1246
Merit: 1016
Strength in numbers
June 04, 2011, 05:20:40 AM
#14
Bitcoins will fail because no government on earth will let it be legal with something that they cannot control or get taxes from.

I think they will create something similar except that it will let all transactions be recorded.

But I still think bitcoins will be used as a black market for trading illegal things and for avoiding taxes.

Druglords and mafia can use bitcoins and only the italian mafia is extremly big, than you got the triads, the yakuza the mexicans etc.

So it will probably have some value.


iirc there was some discussion around keeping a complete log of transactions. I think the upside was that it was the only way for Bitcoin to function at all. Wait, I just found a complete record on my computer.
Pages:
Jump to: