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newbie
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November 30, 2022, 05:44:48 PM
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The author simple generalization of Bitcoin usage is mediocre.  He jump in a conclusion without doing any research of his own topic.  If he could have known how to type and search legal company that accept Bitcoin, he would be ashamed of what he just stated. 

One major proof to refute the claim of the author about Bitcoin never been used for legal-transaction is the number of company that accept Bitcoin.  Some of them are already listed on this article: https://99bitcoins.com/bitcoin/who-accepts/  and many more unmentioned company and retail stores that accept BTC.

most companies that accept bitcoin do that just to be "cool". they convert the payment to real  money straight away .

you can argue as much as you want , but paying with bitcoin is truly inconvenient .
cash is also inconvenient .
i prefer paying with my smartphone or a watch , this is the "new" way.

No thanks I will never ever adapt to this lifestyle, you seem like one of those modern day hippies thats just asking to get robbed/mugged, why would you use your 400$ watch as your wallet? Your philosophy is rubbish.
sr. member
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November 30, 2022, 05:28:40 PM
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Bitcoin is rarely used for legal transactions

I think this depends on what country the person is residing.  If we base our point on El Salvador, all transaction of Bitcoin is legal and we can prove that it isn't rarely used for a transaction but if we based it on country's that hasn't recognized Bitcoin as legal tender, but does not banned it, it is on a neutral stance while when talking about countries that banned Bitcoin  then by all means all bitcoin transaction is illegal, thus this statement depends on the point of reference.
hero member
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November 30, 2022, 02:36:49 PM
#5
  • Bitcoin is rarely used for legal transactions

By now i expect people to have believed about bitcoin and it effectiveness in the role it played in the economy, if some people still doubt the means through which they can make use of bitcoin as digital currency and make payment transactions through it, that means they are only in for attack on bitcoin since they did not support the adoption because by now p2p network isn't more any difficult thing to understand, but yet some believed in its manipulated abilities, but we will continue to emphasize on bitcoin ad digital currency and it continued in serving us this same purpose over years and the transaction made are evident to be legal since blockchain technology is not having a loophole for manipulation.
hero member
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November 30, 2022, 02:21:25 PM
#4
Wow. The European central bank doesn't want bitcoin. Now that's some news. Buy signal!

The link doesn't load from Tor. Apparently, they neither want Internet privacy.

Bitcoin is rarely used for legal transactions
That absolutely tells me nothing. It's a neutral currency. By the same reasoning, the euro is rarely used legally as well, and so, it's in its last stand. It is well known that there were black markets before 2009. Laws don't tell much about the currency either. In China, North Korea, and wherever else there's communism, as far as I'm concerned, it's illegal to use Bitcoin. Not to buy drugs and guns. Just to use it. In that case, any transaction involving bitcoins is illegal.

True, whether Bitcoin transaction is illegal or legal depends on the existing law in a country.  Pretty much those that make Bitcoin illegal can say any transaction made in Bitcoin is illegal.



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The author simple generalization of Bitcoin usage is mediocre.  He jump in a conclusion without doing any research of his own topic.  If he could have known how to type and search legal company that accept Bitcoin, he would be ashamed of what he just stated.  

One major proof to refute the claim of the author about Bitcoin never been used for legal-transaction is the number of company that accept Bitcoin.  Some of them are already listed on this article: https://99bitcoins.com/bitcoin/who-accepts/  and many more unmentioned company and retail stores that accept BTC.

most companies that accept bitcoin do that just to be "cool". they convert the payment to real  money straight away .

you can argue as much as you want , but paying with bitcoin is truly inconvenient .
cash is also inconvenient .
i prefer paying with my smartphone or a watch , this is the "new" way.

How many watch or smartphone can you bring?  If you think you can pay with your smartphone or a watch in every purchase you do, I think it is cumbersome, and the problem would be how would the seller give you change after you pay with your gadget?  

Kidding aside, You can transact with Bitcoin via smartphone, it is pretty convenient with the use of LN since there are already an apps that  integrate LN for fast payment.  Ever heard of the Pouch wallet project on Boracay Island making it a Bitcoin Island where retail store can accept Bitcoin via LN transaction through their apps.  Here is the thread[1] if you haven't known it yet.



[1] https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcoin-payment-implementing-at-the-bitcoin-islandboracay-5419576
newbie
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November 30, 2022, 01:51:17 PM
#3
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The author simple generalization of Bitcoin usage is mediocre.  He jump in a conclusion without doing any research of his own topic.  If he could have known how to type and search legal company that accept Bitcoin, he would be ashamed of what he just stated. 

One major proof to refute the claim of the author about Bitcoin never been used for legal-transaction is the number of company that accept Bitcoin.  Some of them are already listed on this article: https://99bitcoins.com/bitcoin/who-accepts/  and many more unmentioned company and retail stores that accept BTC.

most companies that accept bitcoin do that just to be "cool". they convert the payment to real  money straight away .

you can argue as much as you want , but paying with bitcoin is truly inconvenient .
cash is also inconvenient .
i prefer paying with my smartphone or a watch , this is the "new" way.
legendary
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Merit: 7340
Farewell, Leo
November 30, 2022, 12:11:44 PM
#2
Wow. The European central bank doesn't want bitcoin. Now that's some news. Buy signal!

The link doesn't load from Tor. Apparently, they neither want Internet privacy.

Bitcoin is rarely used for legal transactions
That absolutely tells me nothing. It's a neutral currency. By the same reasoning, the euro is rarely used legally as well, and so, it's in its last stand. It is well known that there were black markets before 2009. Laws don't tell much about the currency either. In China, North Korea, and wherever else there's communism, as far as I'm concerned, it's illegal to use Bitcoin. Not to buy drugs and guns. Just to use it. In that case, any transaction involving bitcoins is illegal.
hero member
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November 30, 2022, 11:39:46 AM
#1

This is the title of an article[1] that I wanted to share and to discuss with you.  I find it full of FUD and misleading that is why I wanted  to show you the article and get your sentiment on the topic discussed.  As written, it was stated that:

  • Bitcoin is rarely used for legal transactions

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Bitcoin was created to overcome the existing monetary and financial system. In 2008, the pseudonymous Satoshi Nakamoto published the concept. Since then, Bitcoin has been marketed as a global decentralised digital currency. However, Bitcoin's conceptual design and technological shortcomings make it questionable as a means of payment: real Bitcoin transactions are cumbersome, slow and expensive. Bitcoin has never been used to any significant extent for legal real-world transactions.

My Reaction:

The author simple generalization of Bitcoin usage is mediocre.  He jump in a conclusion without doing any research of his own topic.  If he could have known how to type and search legal company that accept Bitcoin, he would be ashamed of what he just stated. 

One major proof to refute the claim of the author about Bitcoin never been used for legal-transaction is the number of company that accept Bitcoin.  Some of them are already listed on this article: https://99bitcoins.com/bitcoin/who-accepts/  and many more unmentioned company and retail stores that accept BTC.


  • Regulation can be misunderstood as approval

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Large investors also fund lobbyists who push their case with lawmakers and regulators. In the US alone, the number of crypto lobbyists has almost tripled from 115 in 2018 to 320 in 2021. Their names sometimes read like a who's who of US regulators.

But lobbying activities need a sounding board to have an impact. Indeed, lawmakers have sometimes facilitated the influx of funds by supporting the supposed merits of Bitcoin and offering regulation that gave the impression that crypto assets are just another asset class. Yet the risks of crypto assets are undisputed among regulators. In July, the Financial Stability Board (FSB) called for crypto assets and markets to be subject to effective regulation and supervision commensurate with the risks they pose - along the doctrine of "same risk, same regulation".

My Reaction:

Who cares about Government regulation, what matters is the adoption of masses since Bitcoin is already fair as it is and does not need the approval of the government to operate.  As a matter of fact, the mediatory action of government often messed up a system that is fine in itself.  And Bitcoin is fine as it is but government wanted to have a piece on the pie reason why they intended to regulate Bitcoin in order to milk it either of tax or rob it via confiscation. 

Furthermore, regulation has two function, either regulation to ban it or regulation to limit and coexist with the Bitcoin system. The latter is the acknowledgement of Bitcoin and approval of its existence with some tweak via implementing regulation to the Bitcoin influence.  So my take, regulation is a double standard word where one is to totally limit it while the other is to compromise and approved Bitcoin existence by limiting the objects influence.


  • Promoting Bitcoin bears a reputational risk for banks

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Since Bitcoin appears to be neither suitable as a payment system nor as a form of investment, it should be treated as neither in regulatory terms and thus should not be legitimised. Similarly, the financial industry should be wary of the long-term damage of promoting Bitcoin investments - despite short-term profits they could make (even without their skin in the game). The negative impact on customer relations and the reputational damage to the entire industry could be enormous once Bitcoin investors will have made further losses.

My Reaction:

This one I agree, despite of his reasoning, Promotion of Bitcoin expose banks of its shortcomings and how they cheat their client so YES! Promoting Bitcoin bears a reputational risk for banks because they will be exposed of their fraud.

All in all the writer is obviously anti-Bitcoin but his explanation on the selected topic to convince people are all moot.  So what is your take on the subject of discussion?  Do You agree with what the author stated?



[1] THE ECB BLOG | Bitcoin’s last stand
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