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Quote from: mk4 on March 08, 2022, 06:55:15 AM

Quote from: Betwrong on March 08, 2022, 06:46:11 AM

yes.

But again, I'm not that tech savvy to discuss it on a technical level. maybe it's not needed at all. I just suggested a discussion.

Theoretically not impossible; but if Putin wants to spread some propaganda, he'd focus on the likes of Facebook/Twitter/Reddit/Instagram/TikTok/etc, not some super niche early 2000s-style online forum.

I don't think Putin will still think of this despite of the war that is happening. But if he does, maybe he'll get more into these social networking sites as they have more audience that is a good avenue to spread whatever his propaganda is. Indulging into bitcointalk forum accounts is the least thing that Putin could ever think of.

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Quote from: suchmoon on March 13, 2022, 04:54:27 PM

You should see the garbage the Russian government feeds its own people. Or more recently how they arrest people for holding a piece of paper with "*** *****" on it, or even a blank piece of paper. To frame it as some sort of protection from the evil West is disingenuous to say the least. It's propaganda, censorship (real one, not the "I got banned from Twitter therefore I'm a dissident now" bullshit), disinformation, repression, and all the other perks of an authoritarian regime.

Facebook changed or changing their hate policy or something like that. I can not remember the term. In my understanding, Facebook will allow you to spread hate speech against Russia. Do you really think this is something acceptable? Two wrong do not make a thing right.

Truth is West do not like Russia and Russia do not like West, they do everything in their power to demonstrate their hates towards each others.

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Quote from: suchmoon on March 13, 2022, 04:54:27 PM

You should see the garbage the Russian government feeds its own people. Or more recently how they arrest people for holding a piece of paper with "*** *****" on it, or even a blank piece of paper. To frame it as some sort of protection from the evil West is disingenuous to say the least. It's propaganda, censorship (real one, not the "I got banned from Twitter therefore I'm a dissident now" bullshit), disinformation, repression, and all the other perks of an authoritarian regime.

Well, they don't stop to reach new levels - now they arrested women who hold paper where it's literally written ''two words''. And that's not the end, few moments later they also arrested women who support war in Ukraine, but was in wrong place, wrong time:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2TSqepIuJQ

Quote from: lovesmayfamilis on March 08, 2022, 06:42:05 AM

Buddy, there is no war, no Putin, stop seeing enemies everywhere.

Yeah, there is no war, just ''special military operation''...

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Quote from: BitcoinGirl.Club on March 12, 2022, 08:32:02 AM

As far as I know Facebook is banned In Russia already. Someone from Russia once told me that they can not access Bitcointalk using clear net, it was long ago. Point is the West do like to spread bad things about Russia and Russia do the same for the West. So obviously Russian government don't want their people feed the garbage the west produce against them.

You should see the garbage the Russian government feeds its own people. Or more recently how they arrest people for holding a piece of paper with "*** *****" on it, or even a blank piece of paper. To frame it as some sort of protection from the evil West is disingenuous to say the least. It's propaganda, censorship (real one, not the "I got banned from Twitter therefore I'm a dissident now" bullshit), disinformation, repression, and all the other perks of an authoritarian regime.

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Quote from: BitcoinGirl.Club on March 11, 2022, 03:38:18 AM

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Watched a news about disconnecting internet from rest of the world. How authentic it is?
If that happens then Russia will isolate them from rest of the world. So we will not see guys from Russia in the forum and the big Russian local will die soon? Fuck freedom of speech. It will be like North Korea.

By the way, do we have an account called Russia and other country names LOL

People in Russia are using VPNs to access the outside world. Russia has not (yet) created something as effective as the GFW that China created (the GFW has leaks, although the Chinese government is much better at surveilling their people), so many Russians are still able to access the outside internet.

Exceptions will be made to Russian Oligarchs, who in turn will likely allow their own friends to piggyback off of their exceptions to connect to the outside world. Russia is too corrupt (Putin owes favors to too many people), and is not effective enough in surveilling their citizens to effectively block all outside information from entering Russia.

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Quote from: Betwrong on March 08, 2022, 06:46:11 AM

We can destroy the whole russian army on our land, have no doubt about that.

That comment of yours is soothing for someone like me who has always been scared that Ukraine isn't any match for Russia. However, now that you've made me realize that the war isn't a handicap confrontation I hope Putin gets confined to regrets.

I like to think the same thing, that Ukraine is no match for Russia and by this statement, I wish to think the same thing but isn't convinced one bit that Ukraine is any match. Although, I tend to understand one thing, the Ukrainians would do all they could to regain control of there homeland because, its there's for the taking.

If we are to look to the Russians, they've go no intent to take Ukraine but rather, to protect its territories and keep the west off there borders. There have been peace until NATO choose not to honour there agreement on not expanding any further and most of all, not towards Russia.

Restriction of Ukrainian accounts don't seem right to me as, you don't know the reason for which, one might want to change his or her password and they might not be wrong to want that. Again, forum can't tell of a privacy bridge or account hack. It's a known fact that, your best chance to security resides with the user and as such, the forum don't have to step in by means of restrictions on some forum functionalities.

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Quote from: Findingnemo on March 11, 2022, 04:34:50 PM

I don't think they will disconnect the internet completely because everything runs based on internet so they may terminate it for temporarily for particular region but the probability of banning sites is possible and its already in practice by countries like China where there is no YouTube, Facebook, WhatsApp and all other popular social media but still people bypass it in lot of ways.

As far as I know Facebook is banned In Russia already. Someone from Russia once told me that they can not access Bitcointalk using clear net, it was long ago. Point is the West do like to spread bad things about Russia and Russia do the same for the West. So obviously Russian government don't want their people feed the garbage the west produce against them.

It's more of political war.

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Quote from: xandry on March 11, 2022, 03:03:39 AM

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Watched a news about disconnecting internet from rest of the world. How authentic it is?
If that happens then Russia will isolate them from rest of the world. So we will not see guys from Russia in the forum and the big Russian local will die soon? Fuck freedom of speech. It will be like North Korea.

By the way, do we have an account called Russia and other country names LOL

I don't think they will disconnect the internet completely because everything runs based on internet so they may terminate it for temporarily for particular region but the probability of banning sites is possible and its already in practice by countries like China where there is no YouTube, Facebook, WhatsApp and all other popular social media but still people bypass it in lot of ways.

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Quote from: Betwrong on March 08, 2022, 06:46:11 AM

We can destroy the whole russian army on our land, have no doubt about that.

That comment of yours is soothing for someone like me who has always been scared that Ukraine isn't any match for Russia. However, now that you've made me realize that the war isn't a handicap confrontation I hope Putin gets confined to regrets.

Concerning accounts here and the look out for password and email change, I think it's an unnecessary paranoia. I bet you, this forum is the least of Putin's worries.

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Quote from: xandry on March 11, 2022, 03:03:39 AM

If anyone is interested:
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Bitcointalk blocked from Russia

Watched a news about disconnecting internet from rest of the world. How authentic it is?
If that happens then Russia will isolate them from rest of the world. So we will not see guys from Russia in the forum and the big Russian local will die soon? Fuck freedom of speech. It will be like North Korea.

By the way, do we have an account called Russia and other country names LOL

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Quote from: Findingnemo on March 10, 2022, 02:17:06 AM

There is no need to make a difference here as well, everyone hold responsibility and rights to do with their bitcointalk accounts and its far from reality to speculate that government is trying to hack those accounts and spread false information here because it doesn't going to make any favour for them as someone said their may concentrate on Facebook and Instagram like social media to do that where millions of active users are there.

All right. First of all, paid Kremlin trolls are sent to work with popular social networks and Russian independent media. Once upon a time they were on reddit. At the moment, independent media in Russia do not cover the topic of war, are closed or blocked. facebook and twitter are already officially blocked, so the number of trolls there should decrease significantly. Instagram is already showing signs that the speed of access there has been reduced so much that videos and images are not uploaded. Youtube is still working, but it's a matter of time. Bots are the easiest to see in Russian social networks. This forum is highly specialized and has been blocked on the territory of Russia for two years, so I strongly doubt that any of the political structures can consider it as a popular media platform.

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I've read the topic and most comments, and first, I really think this topic should be on politics and society section of this forum and not here(meta).

Secondly, like Smartvirus said, this forum was built for cryptocurrency discussions and all that patterns to it, and I agree that looking properly into the situation between Russia Ukraine, somehow somewhere, maybe it relates to crypto, but then, it's shouldnt become the base of discussion most especially on this section of the forum.
And also deviating from our main course to dive into politics and war and discussing or individually stating who or what is right or wrong, this I believe will somehow install hate amongst ourselves which is not good for this forum.
So my personal suggestion is that we all focus on why we all are here, and this is not to say we play deaf and dumb to the happenings in the outside world, but we should really limit the discussion of such kind of topics here.

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as much as I sympathize with the victims of this war, I Must say that this is a bit ridiculous(no offense). just like what jackg said, bitcointalk is not a place where propaganda can really get much power. I suggest stopping being paranoid.

Quote from: examplens on March 08, 2022, 10:50:07 AM

I would not ignore this possibility, but we need to look at the bigger picture.
Maybe Putin wants to start their own NFT project with all war photos in there, so he needs shillers on Bicointalk, and it will be much more convincing if it works with Ukrainian accounts. the purpose of the project would be to help overcome the difficulties caused by economic sanctions.
Or even maybe there is a new government strategy with massive participation in bounty campaigns.

highly possible. war maniacs would most likely buy most of it.

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It's my which that we don't have a Russian - Ukrainian conflict here. The forum isn't about nations and wars but cryptocurrency and how the societal situations can affect it. We choose to sympathise and identify with individuals going through adverse situations but to instill hate amongst persons. The Ukrainians feels victimised, while the Russians tends to act out of protection of there nation from NATO and its allies.

The best that could be done at the bitcointalk or forum level is to see how both nationals here can understand there ends to the on going conflict in both nations and spread these other standings to other locals. Playing victim and flexing muscles isn't going to do any one any good but instead, develop a hatred that would be here even when the outside world Russia - Ukraine conflict is all gone. That won't be in the best interest of the forum and it would tell badly towards the forums formation of a locale and users identification with a locale on the forum.

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There is no need to make a difference here as well, everyone hold responsibility and rights to do with their bitcointalk accounts and its far from reality to speculate that government is trying to hack those accounts and spread false information here because it doesn't going to make any favour for them as someone said their may concentrate on Facebook and Instagram like social media to do that where millions of active users are there.

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This is a Bitcoin forum. I don't see the dangers even if Putin were to do something like that because no one would care about the propaganda or the fake news. Why would he think that Bitcointalk members would be great subjects for propaganda? People who don't like governments, traditional finance, the state, control, lack of transparency, etc. It's not the 80s and 90s anymore. Anyone who wants to can find out the truth. Watching government-controlled TV stations isn't the way to do that.

Quote from: mk4 on March 08, 2022, 06:55:15 AM

Theoretically not impossible; but if Putin wants to spread some propaganda, he'd focus on the likes of Facebook/Twitter/Reddit/Instagram/TikTok/etc, not some super niche early 2000s-style online forum.

Would he be able to access Bitcointalk at all? I think the forum is banned in Russia Grin

. I can picture him in my head slamming the keyboard going cyka blyat Bitcointalk because he can't access the site.

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Quote from: jackg on March 08, 2022, 08:20:00 AM

Bitcointalk isn't the place where propaganda can really get much power anyway.

I have noticed that propaganda is being posted in places that I would it would have a small impact. There are a number of accounts that I have noticed are spreading Russian propaganda. Some of the propaganda I have seen in various places even try to disguise the fact they are spreading Russian propaganda by claiming to be opposed to Putin.

There is no real reason to hack accounts from Ukraine to spread Russian propaganda. Putin can simply create new accounts, buy accounts, or use existing accounts they already have to spread their propaganda.

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Just wondering, how many people in this forum who born or live on Ukraine? Looking at their local thread, it has very little activity.

This is because the Ukrainians, no matter how they reject Russia, here on the forum they write in the Russian local section. According to my observations, there are much fewer Russians here than Ukrainians. Since the forum itself was once banned in Russia by their supervisory body Roskomnadzor. And if the Russians hang out here, they will change their IP address.
The fact that there is a Ukrainian locale, and few people are there, indicates that all quarrels between Russians and Ukrainians, like this topic, are located in the Russian section. Although defending their language and hating the Russian language, Ukrainians could write in their local language.

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Quote from: mk4 on March 08, 2022, 06:39:32 AM

So what are you speculating that's happening here that would justify a temporary disabling of password and email changing? Putin stealing Ukranian Bitcointalk accounts to spread propaganda or something like that? LOL

OP, I think it'd be highly unlikely Putin or anyone else in Russia (on the state level) would be targeting Ukrainian bitcointalk accounts. Sure, stranger things have happened here but this forum likely doesn't even register on the radar of any Russian hackers right now. If they want to hack Ukrainian accounts, those accounts would be ones linked to banks and whatnot, i.e., they'd have funds attached to them. So I don't think our members from Ukraine have anything to worry about.

Quote from: examplens on March 08, 2022, 10:50:07 AM

Maybe Putin wants to start their own NFT project with all war photos in there, so he needs shillers on Bicointalk, and it will be much more convincing if it works with Ukrainian accounts.

LOL. Are NFTs still popular? Based on how few new videos I'm seeing about them on Youtube, I would have guessed that fire had extinguished itself within the past few weeks or so.

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I can only imagine one possible case if a lot of password/email are getting changed:
Putin will claim himself as Ukrainian and ask for donations for the Ukrain people and scam the BTC/ETH whatever he receives Grin

That won't be fair; I don't want to hand out my money to a scammer. Please restrict anyone from changing their email/password. Anyone can now claim as Ukrainian; who knows he is Putin or not Grin

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Quote from: mk4 on March 08, 2022, 06:55:15 AM

Quote from: Betwrong on March 08, 2022, 06:46:11 AM

yes.

But again, I'm not that tech savvy to discuss it on a technical level. maybe it's not needed at all. I just suggested a discussion.

Theoretically not impossible; but if Putin wants to spread some propaganda, he'd focus on the likes of Facebook/Twitter/Reddit/Instagram/TikTok/etc, not some super niche early 2000s-style online forum.

I would not ignore this possibility, but we need to look at the bigger picture.
Maybe Putin wants to start their own NFT project with all war photos in there, so he needs shillers on Bicointalk, and it will be much more convincing if it works with Ukrainian accounts. the purpose of the project would be to help overcome the difficulties caused by economic sanctions.
Or even maybe there is a new government strategy with massive participation in bounty campaigns.

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Let's not get super paranoid, because this is not the first or the last conflict that is going to happen in the world.
There is nothing special with accounts from any country that was in war since bitcointalk forum existed, and we have a long list off all countries that were invaded.
Only way to identify account locstion in forum is with IP address, and that can easily change with vpn or Tor browser.

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Putin can control most of things in Russia because he is a dictator in his regime but he can not control things globally. Beyond Russia, Putin does not mean much but I see his dangerous unpredictable decisions. It's not only because he is used to be a KGB foreign intelligence officer but also because he obsesses with his power in Russia and thinks that he can do the same globally.

When the King is mad, nuked, people still say compliment. It is what dictators think they can enjoy but hey in the end of the day, dictators have to go to the hell, one way or another. Human civilization history proves it many times. How about this time, with Putin?

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If, @theymos sees the activity especially the Ukraine region account there is a mass change of Email and password, I don't think @theymos will let that happen, he will definitely make the rules even stricter with requirements that are not owned by Putin.

@Betwrong, what worries you about your complaint, where did you find the hoax news, did someone from the Russian department of information and technology say anything to you about Bitcointalk accounts, Account in Bitcointalk, not Missiles that can be controlled by putin.

I know war can make people, especially war-affected areas shaken and traumatized, but you have to be able to control yourself in this case, don't worry, your worries won't happen, @theymos, stronger than putin remember that.

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Quote from: Betwrong on March 08, 2022, 06:02:32 AM

Not saying that they are necessarily bad guys, but I think it would be a good idea to not allow pwd and e-mail change until we will celebrate victory over Putin's zombies.

That would be a very heavy handed approach to a not so clear problem. Putin is not going to waste time to spread propaganda here on the forum, there are so many other platforms with a much wider audience than bitcointalk and even on those platforms, hacking a couple of accounts would not really affect the public information.

You could tag accounts you find to be spreading information and draw attention for other members to do same.

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Quote from: mk4 on March 08, 2022, 06:55:15 AM

Quote from: Betwrong on March 08, 2022, 06:46:11 AM

yes.

But again, I'm not that tech savvy to discuss it on a technical level. maybe it's not needed at all. I just suggested a discussion.

Theoretically not impossible; but if Putin wants to spread some propaganda, he'd focus on the likes of Facebook/Twitter/Reddit/Instagram/TikTok/etc, not some super niche early 2000s-style online forum.

Bitcointalk isn't the place where propaganda can really get much power anyway.

Allowing discussion on propaganda is, especially with the more personal Russian ones, quite a good way to destroy it anyway.

The propaganda Russia releases speaks of a country split apart by other entities (even though it allowed itself to split and most of the splits brought on democratic systems - you can have problems with democracy but dictatorships are definitely worse).

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Quote from: lovesmayfamilis on March 08, 2022, 06:42:05 AM

Buddy, there is no war, no Putin, stop seeing enemies everywhere.

Back in the covid days, we used to hear from half of the world that there is no covid, there is no disease but the deaths were real. Now again there is no war but people are dying or suffering because of these attacks.

The war may be unreal but the deaths are real Sad

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Quote from: Betwrong on March 08, 2022, 06:46:11 AM

yes.

But again, I'm not that tech savvy to discuss it on a technical level. maybe it's not needed at all. I just suggested a discussion.

Theoretically not impossible; but if Putin wants to spread some propaganda, he'd focus on the likes of Facebook/Twitter/Reddit/Instagram/TikTok/etc, not some super niche early 2000s-style online forum.

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Quote from: mk4 on March 08, 2022, 06:39:32 AM

So what are you speculating that's happening here that would justify a temporary disabling of password and email changing? Putin stealing Ukranian Bitcointalk accounts to spread propaganda or something like that? LOL

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yes.

But again, I'm not that tech savvy to discuss it on a technical level. maybe it's not needed at all. I just suggested a discussion.

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Quote from: lovesmayfamilis on March 08, 2022, 06:42:05 AM

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Everything is simple. The level of paranoia exceeds the level of the human mind.
Buddy, there is no war, no Putin, stop seeing enemies everywhere. All your passwords will remain safe only if you don't fuss. Solve problems as they come.

Being in Kyiv rn, I don't understand what you mean.

But, anyway, don't think we are panicking here. During all these days of russian rocket attacks on my city, I never saw anyone panicking. People are calm and united as never before.

We can destroy the whole russian army on our land, have no doubt about that.

And maybe watch something other than russian propaganda, for a change.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on March 08, 2022, 06:17:59 AM

Quote from: Betwrong on March 08, 2022, 06:02:32 AM

Guys, I'm not that tech savvy to suggest how to do it, but what I want to ask bitcointalk stuff, is to be very cautious with accounts from Ukraine that are trying to change password these days.

Not saying that they are necessarily bad guys, but I think it would be a good idea to not allow pwd and e-mail change until we will celebrate victory over Putin's zombies.

I don't get it. Why would Ukraine accounts will change the email/passwords associated with the bitcointalk?

By the way, there is no kyc here and the only way to know a Ukraine account or any country account is by its IP. If they use VPN, then its impossible to know the right location of the account.

Everything is simple. The level of paranoia exceeds the level of the human mind.
Buddy, there is no war, no Putin, stop seeing enemies everywhere. All your passwords will remain safe only if you don't fuss. Solve problems as they come.

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So what are you speculating that's happening here that would justify a temporary disabling of password and email changing? Putin stealing Ukranian Bitcointalk accounts to spread propaganda or something like that? LOL

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Quote from: Betwrong on March 08, 2022, 06:02:32 AM

Guys, I'm not that tech savvy to suggest how to do it, but what I want to ask bitcointalk stuff, is to be very cautious with accounts from Ukraine that are trying to change password these days.

Not saying that they are necessarily bad guys, but I think it would be a good idea to not allow pwd and e-mail change until we will celebrate victory over Putin's zombies.

I don't get it. Why would Ukraine accounts will change the email/passwords associated with the bitcointalk?

By the way, there is no kyc here and the only way to know a Ukraine account or any country account is by its IP. If they use VPN, then its impossible to know the right location of the account.

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I stand with Ukraine.

Guys, I'm not that tech savvy to suggest how to do it, but what I want to ask bitcointalk stuff, is to be very cautious with accounts from Ukraine that are trying to change password these days.

Not saying that they are necessarily bad guys, but I think it would be a good idea to not allow pwd and e-mail change until we will celebrate victory over Putin's zombies.

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