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🇺🇦 Glory to Ukraine!
once again, this forum has shown that there is no freedom of speech!

I can sympathize with your frustration, but don't confuse freedom of speech with following the rules of the community. Besides, moderators are people too and sometimes make mistakes; they have emotions and opinions just like everyone else. As you can see, no one has deleted your post in this thread.
legendary
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Ukrainians will resist


The chmo-moderators in the russian section delete this photo, but do not delete calls for violence, war, mockery of the Ukrainian people, approval of the killing of civilians, and so on.
democracy and freedom of speech that we deserve, continue to consider this forum a stronghold of freedom of expression, fascism in action.
Obviously, you are posting this picture just for the sake of trolling your opponents. And you started doing it in the topic Aллeя cлaвы RU лoкaли
For the understanding of users who do not understand Russian language, I would compare this topic with English Wall of fame / shame. Shit posts so bad that they are actually funny

Here is the link to your post: https://ninjastic.space/post/60902406
Just picture to troll someone and smile.

Then you posted this picture again in the same topic, but already adding text with insults and accusations that moderators delete your posts with calls for peace: https://ninjastic.space/post/60903743

Maybe I don't know something and some terrible villain really came and started deleting your posts with calls for peace? Then I cut this post into a separate topic with the title "reason for deleting posts". What did you do in response? You edited the post very fast by deleting all the charges, replacing them with a photo: https://susepaste.org/images/65429508.png

What was that? Some kind of strategic move so that the topic for trolling some of your opponents remains at the root of the section? Sorry, but it's against the rules, whether you like them or not.
What rules? What are you talking about, why are you deleting this picture and not deleting all the dirt that the russian swine-fascists are pouring?
Are you out of your mind?
This is not even democracy, this is stupidity and the formation of the opinion that everyone is for russia, you are unworthy of being a moderator, once exceeds your authority and deleting posts forms the picture you need.
once again, this forum has shown that there is no freedom of speech!
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The chmo-moderators in the russian section delete this photo, but do not delete calls for violence, war, mockery of the Ukrainian people, approval of the killing of civilians, and so on.
democracy and freedom of speech that we deserve, continue to consider this forum a stronghold of freedom of expression, fascism in action.
Obviously, you are posting this picture just for the sake of trolling your opponents. And you started doing it in the topic Aллeя cлaвы RU лoкaли
For the understanding of users who do not understand Russian language, I would compare this topic with English Wall of fame / shame. Shit posts so bad that they are actually funny

Here is the link to your post: https://ninjastic.space/post/60902406
Just picture to troll someone and smile.

Then you posted this picture again in the same topic, but already adding text with insults and accusations that moderators delete your posts with calls for peace: https://ninjastic.space/post/60903743

Maybe I don't know something and some terrible villain really came and started deleting your posts with calls for peace? Then I cut this post into a separate topic with the title "reason for deleting posts". What did you do in response? You edited the post very fast by deleting all the charges, replacing them with a photo: https://susepaste.org/images/65429508.png

What was that? Some kind of strategic move so that the topic for trolling some of your opponents remains at the root of the section? Sorry, but it's against the rules, whether you like them or not.
legendary
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Ukrainians will resist


The chmo-moderators in the russian section delete this photo, but do not delete calls for violence, war, mockery of the Ukrainian people, approval of the killing of civilians, and so on.
democracy and freedom of speech that we deserve, continue to consider this forum a stronghold of freedom of expression, fascism in action.
jr. member
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The unknown dick from the mountain addresses the Russians. This is a victory.
legendary
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Ukrainians will resist
Gestalt closed
https://youtu.be/Xbt-nvORB8o

"Russians burn in hell, Orwell applauds you."

legendary
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Ukrainians will resist

КaPФaгeн дoлжeн быть paзpyшeн.

Have you tried seeing a psychiatrist with obsessions?
Fascist, remember, you will have to answer for crimes. And you personally.

legendary
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Ukrainians will resist
This scum constantly sprinkles with hatred for the Ukrainians, and again justifies terrorism, a rocket strike in Vinnitsa on July 14 in the afternoon on a cluster of civilians is real terrorism.
Do you, too, justify such scum?
And they express their own and very valuable opinion for the forum and this is never propaganda?
 Snork1979  https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.60566604

КaPФaгeн дoлжeн быть paзpyшeн.
jr. member
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I'm watching it myself and I advise you to watch it.

https://vgtrk.ru/russia24
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You should go to Donetsk and see what's there, because you're always crying about propaganda.

USB-pimp, have you been to Donetsk yourself? Or are you sitting on your sperm-soaked couch eating the shit they shit in your toilet bowl (which you have instead of your head)?



jr. member
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And why

https://t.me/shot_shot/41564

Because if it weren't for the constant shelling of Luhansk and Donetsk you wouldn't have to make up excuses.
legendary
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You should go to Donetsk and see what's there, because you're always crying about propaganda.
And why not Mariupol, not Bucha? What has russia done with these cities?
And why not Kharkov, Northern Saltovka?
Donetsk is in many cities of Ukraine, so there is no need to tell fairy tales.

https://twitter.com/MirovichMedia/status/1545414503113842707
https://twitter.com/MirovichMedia/status/1544314264600694785
jr. member
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You should go to Donetsk and see what's there, because you're always crying about propaganda.
legendary
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Ukrainians will resist
Come to Ukraine, live under shelling, see with your own eyes how everything is going on, talk to different people here, feel the pain of the people who suffered from the war.

Buddy, a trip to Donetsk has been waiting for you for a long time.

https://news.ru/europe/raketnyj-udar-vsu-po-zhilym-kvartalam-donecka-snyali-na-video/
I did not expect to see anything but pro-russian propaganda from you.
jr. member
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Come to Ukraine, live under shelling, see with your own eyes how everything is going on, talk to different people here, feel the pain of the people who suffered from the war.

Buddy, a trip to Donetsk has been waiting for you for a long time.

https://news.ru/europe/raketnyj-udar-vsu-po-zhilym-kvartalam-donecka-snyali-na-video/
legendary
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An update based on events logically following my last post (“Today at 06:29:28 AM”), which I wish to leave unedited for the record:  I notice now that less than three minutes before I hit the “post” button on something that I had mulled for hours, OP finally added me to his list of censorship targets.

Snapshot—“Last edit: Today at 06:26:47 AM by cryptomaxsun”:
nullius https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/nullius-976210  /Added at my own request. The person is mistaken and confused in terminology. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.60530156

Well, if I wanted to be targeted for censorship as a free-speech activist, what is worse than being branded an “information terrorist”?  This is. Smiley

There is nothing worse than to be denied the dignity of even having my own opinions, and to be told that I am “mistaken” and “confused” about matters which I have carefully considered.  An “information terrorist” has free will, intelligence, and personal agency:  He has the dignity of existence.  He is called “evil”, he is the enemy, he is hated—but he is.  All of those are denied to me:  I am a nullity.  My mind is a passive vessel, into which propaganda is poured by Putin-trolls—my emptiness is filled by that awful Greenwald.

It even seems implied that I am some sort of a victim.  Logically, I must need to be protected from propaganda—for my own good.  Since I have already been damaged by propaganda, perhaps I should be cured of my mistakes and my confusion at the Ministry of Love.  That would be an act of kindness and mercy.

If only I could be cured of Greenwald’s evil influence—if only all of that Putin propaganda could be erased from my brain!—then I would realize that the whole war is black-and-white, Russia is 100% wrong, the Ukraine is 100% right, and the Americans must act as the saviours of the world.  Alas, I am helplessly befuddled by propaganda which has not been adequately censored by the Western Big Tech companies and the Western mass-media. Huh

As a free-speech activist, I could find no better “endorsement” of my position.

Thank you, OP.  You have exceeded my expectations. Smiley


Here, in Meta, I am interested in discussing the Bitcoin Forum’s long-cherished policy of freedom of speech.

[...]
^^^ The forum’s policy as such is a properly on-topic discussion for Meta.  By citation to Greenwald’s reports, I have adequately demonstrated that Internet censorship, and especially Big Tech censorship, is a major problem on this topic.  I urge the Bitcoin Forum not to contribute to that, even subtly, by giving the impression that requests may be considered for “an eternal ban” of users with unpopular opinions.

This thread is an attempt to intimidate users with pro-Russia opinions—and even users who have simply refused to take anti-Russian positions.  Not naming names as may draw bigger targets on people—I see at least one person on that list only because he refused a demand that he act adversely to Russians.  [...]

Why is this thread still in Meta?
Listen, for you, war, like freedom of speech, is an abstraction. You believe, but you don't understand, it's irrational.
Come to Ukraine, live under shelling, see with your own eyes how everything is going on, talk to different people here, feel the pain of the people who suffered from the war.
That's when we'll talk. And so, this is a conversation about nothing and everyone will have their own opinion.
As the Chinese proverb says, Don't judge a man until you walk his path in his own shoes.
P.S. Let this topic be a list of shame, but not a call to ban people, if it makes it easier for you, I realized that no one will ban.
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If you don’t do PGP, you don’t do crypto!
An update based on events logically following my last post (“Today at 06:29:28 AM”), which I wish to leave unedited for the record:  I notice now that less than three minutes before I hit the “post” button on something that I had mulled for hours, OP finally added me to his list of censorship targets.

Snapshot—“Last edit: Today at 06:26:47 AM by cryptomaxsun”:
nullius https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/nullius-976210  /Added at my own request. The person is mistaken and confused in terminology. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.60530156

Well, if I wanted to be targeted for censorship as a free-speech activist, what is worse than being branded an “information terrorist”?  This is. Smiley

There is nothing worse than to be denied the dignity of even having my own opinions, and to be told that I am “mistaken” and “confused” about matters which I have carefully considered.  An “information terrorist” has free will, intelligence, and personal agency:  He has the dignity of existence.  He is called “evil”, he is the enemy, he is hated—but he is.  All of those are denied to me:  I am a nullity.  My mind is a passive vessel, into which propaganda is poured by Putin-trolls—my emptiness is filled by that awful Greenwald.

It even seems implied that I am some sort of a victim.  Logically, I must need to be protected from propaganda—for my own good.  Since I have already been damaged by propaganda, perhaps I should be cured of my mistakes and my confusion at the Ministry of Love.  That would be an act of kindness and mercy.

If only I could be cured of Greenwald’s evil influence—if only all of that Putin propaganda could be erased from my brain!—then I would realize that the whole war is black-and-white, Russia is 100% wrong, the Ukraine is 100% right, and the Americans must act as the saviours of the world.  Alas, I am helplessly befuddled by propaganda which has not been adequately censored by the Western Big Tech companies and the Western mass-media. Huh

As a free-speech activist, I could find no better “endorsement” of my position.

Thank you, OP.  You have exceeded my expectations. Smiley


Here, in Meta, I am interested in discussing the Bitcoin Forum’s long-cherished policy of freedom of speech.

[...]
^^^ The forum’s policy as such is a properly on-topic discussion for Meta.  By citation to Greenwald’s reports, I have adequately demonstrated that Internet censorship, and especially Big Tech censorship, is a major problem on this topic.  I urge the Bitcoin Forum not to contribute to that, even subtly, by giving the impression that requests may be considered for “an eternal ban” of users with unpopular opinions.

This thread is an attempt to intimidate users with pro-Russia opinions—and even users who have simply refused to take anti-Russian positions.  Not naming names as may draw bigger targets on people—I see at least one person on that list only because he refused a demand that he act adversely to Russians.  [...]

Why is this thread still in Meta?
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If you don’t do PGP, you don’t do crypto!
Glenn Greenwald is pro-kremlin troll
I can consider Glenn Greenwald as a Putin whore,
Greenwald is a dipshit.  Cheesy
liar Glenn Greenwald has obviously purchased some real estate in Putin's ass recently.

Truly, your rationality, eloquence, and reasonableness in discourse are astonishing.

Years ago, when people on the right sneered at me that I shouldn’t read stuff by that liberal fag Greenwald, I told them to fuck off.  Your cheap insults (and dogwhistles?) will not so easily dissuade me from reading the reports of a man with sterling journalistic integrity and personal courage, whom I respect for the same reason that you now ridicule him:  He reports on unpopular facts that people do not want to see.

I stand with Greenwald.






will answer to all other sophisticated juggling tomorrow in the morning, so this post will be expanded

Translation:  You have no answer for what I have said.

You are projecting about “sophisticated juggling”, when you evade and slide around anything that in any way contradicts your hatred for Russia.

I am not a Russian partisan, per se.  I wish for peace between Russia and Ukraine.  I resolutely oppose the American Empire’s world-wrecking agenda, which here proceeds apace; I have been outspoken on this forum against the American Empire for years, so my position should be no surprise.  And hereby apropos, I oppose the massive groupthink campaign of censorship, propaganda, polarization, and intimidation to enforce an unlimited blind hate towards Russia.

From your posts, I can see that you will condemn me, insult me, and attack me if I refuse to condemn Russia—if I refuse to declare myself an enemy of Russia.  Well, I do NOT condemn Russia.  I am NOT an enemy of Russia.  To the contrary.  I consider myself a friend of the Russian people; and objectively, I can see Russia’s strategic predicament.  I also personally have no ill-will to Ukrainian people; years ago, before I ever registered for this forum, I had some outright Ukrainian nationalist friends, too.  I object to some of the rhetoric from certain quarters on the Russian side—let’s just put it this way:  When there are some people on both sides screaming that the other side are Nazis, the discourse is tragicomically broken down to a degree that is probably offensive to real Nazis.  To top it off, my worst complaints about RT are their habitual sniping at Baltic peoples, and some of their historical doublethink—other than that, I think that RT is much more honest than The New York Times; that is admittedly damning with faint praise.  If you want to be my enemy, it is your choice.

Just noticed this skimming by a post from earlier, which changed drastically several times after I first read it:

remembering how the U.S. reacted in the Cuban Missile Crisis

Oh, maybe I'm stupid, but I can't remember full scale invasion at Cuba with a lot of dead civilians, childrens and so on. naval blockade is a little bit different thing, isn't it?

Oh, maybe you don’t know much about history.  Nukes almost flew; they probably would have, if Russia had not backed down enough to satisfy the Americans in a negotiated settlement.  Apocalyptic thermonuclear war is a little bit of a different thing, isn’t it?



At this juncture, I began to draft what would be quite a long essay about my own opinions on the war.  However, as I have said repeatedly, I did not enter this thread to discuss the war in itself.  There are Politics & Society threads for that purpose; and if I have a different angle on it, I can create a P&S thread, too.  If I wish to discuss the war here on the Bitcoin Forum, then I will properly do so in Politics & SocietyIf.  It is not exactly the purpose for which I myself come to the Bitcoin Forum.

Here, in Meta, I am interested in discussing the Bitcoin Forum’s long-cherished policy of freedom of speech.

For the record, this is the status of my request to move this thread to Politics & Society:

Please move to Politics & Society.  This thread is *wildly* off-topic in Meta; and as I stated publicly, the tolerance of this off-topic thread in Meta chills the freedom of speech: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.60519558

^^^ The forum’s policy as such is a properly on-topic discussion for Meta.  By citation to Greenwald’s reports, I have adequately demonstrated that Internet censorship, and especially Big Tech censorship, is a major problem on this topic.  I urge the Bitcoin Forum not to contribute to that, even subtly, by giving the impression that requests may be considered for “an eternal ban” of users with unpopular opinions.

This thread is an attempt to intimidate users with pro-Russia opinions—and even users who have simply refused to take anti-Russian positions.  Not naming names as may draw bigger targets on people—I see at least one person on that list only because he refused a demand that he act adversely to Russians.  (I need not remark on OP’s cowardice and hypocrisy in ignoring my polite requests to be added to his censorship-target list, for which I obviously qualify.)

Why is this thread still in Meta?
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Back atcha.  What is your blind spot, when you are going around attacking Greenwald and me with anti-Russian rants—on threads where Russia was not even mentioned? Roll Eyes
I'm not johnnyUA but my answer would be:
Greenwald is a dipshit.  Cheesy



1miau, I repeat to you the same question as I put to johhnyUA:  Do you advocate that people who express pro-Russian (or even non-anti-Russian) opinions should be banned from the Bitcoin Forum, as demanded by OP here?
Ban is only reserved for plagiarism-related offenses and I'm not making the (inofficial) official Bitcointalk rules.

What I'm doing against Putin trolls:
I'm simply calling out their lies.
Like that:

I would like to add a text here from Alex Gladstein, a known Bitcoiner from the Human Rights foundation (the text is about Bitcoiners from Ukraine and Russia, here Bitcoin Core Contributor Gleb Naumenko from Ukraine, describing how Bitcoin is useful for them) :

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But still, he [Bitcoin Core Contributor Gleb Naumenko] told me that he wanted to be very clear about something: “What happened is a blatant, illegal invasion. I’m tired of hearing how Ukraine’s freedom from Russia is a U.S. intelligence operation, and how helping Ukraine to defend itself is bad,” he said. “To my friends in America, please remember that the Russian oppression of Ukraine is a much longer story than the existence of your entire country. Even as a libertarian, you’re supposed to defend other peoples’ right to defend themselves. This understanding has been lost.”


“I know a lot of libertarians in Ukraine and Russia,” Naumenko continued, “and they ALL oppose the invasion and don’t make apologetic arguments. They think supporting Ukraine is good. The Russian libertarians even support providing Ukraine with weapons. They know what Putin is.” One can be a dogmatic libertarian, or an anarcho-capitalist, he said, but this only works if your country isn’t at risk. To paraphrase Mike Tyson, “Everyone has an ideology until they get punched in the mouth.”

The surprisingly common angle in the Bitcoin community that the war isn’t Putin’s fault is important to address. For the purposes of this essay, a short overview of Ukraine’s history will be helpful, to establish the fact that Ukraine has been in the process of statebuilding — and resisting foreign attacks, invasions and occupations — for nearly 1,000 years. This reality is encased in the country’s national anthem, which begins with the words: “Ukraine has not yet perished.”
https://bitcoinmagazine.com/culture/currency-of-last-resort

Calling out the Russian propaganda is enough.
And the average Kremlin troll is pretty butthurt when that's happening.  Cheesy


People spreading excuses for Putin's war (like you) should ask themselves one question: does it feel good to spread excuses for Putin's war, excuses for murder, for death and destruction? Or is your alt account death_wish inspired by your Putin war-apologia?



I entered this thread because on free-speech grounds, I am outraged at a Meta thread demanding bans of users for their political opinions.  
You are funny!
Advocating for free speech while spreading Russian propaganda (where people saying that a war is going on, are going to prison) isn't a bit of a contradiction?

Not outraged about your own double standards?
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