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Bitcointalk and Security
May 27, 2015, 02:51:56 PM
#27
Quote from: Xialla on May 27, 2015, 02:17:33 PM
don't want to put words to his mouth but I think, that it was because less people are familiar with solaris (and other "less used" platforms like aix, hp unix etc) then with some common distro like RHEL, what can run anybody everywhere and obtain the skills much easier..
The he made a false statement. That doesn't make the OS safer nor harder to hack, it makes it inconvenient.
There is a difference.

Quote from: dogie on May 27, 2015, 02:33:57 PM
"Hey I just made DogieOS today, its the most secure in the world because its never been hacked and there are no vulnerabilities." Its the same claims Apple made for IOS and OSX, before immediately getting rekt by 100s of exploits.
Finally.
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Re: Bitcointalk and Security
May 27, 2015, 02:33:57 PM
#26
Quote from: 2112 on May 27, 2015, 12:06:08 PM
Quote from: Lauda on May 27, 2015, 11:56:10 AM
OpenVMS is considered a highly secure and reliable operating system relied upon by large enterprises around the globe such as Stock Exchanges, Governments and Infrastructure for critical operations.
It is supposedly the most secure system in the world.
As well as many small & medium businesses that continue to run it on HP Integrity/Itanium boxes.
Quote from: Lauda on May 27, 2015, 11:56:10 AM
You've got to be kidding. Check the graph.
I'm not kidding. This graphs is a classical example of data falsification. Solaris is actually a pair of quite distinct OS-es: the classic big-endian SPARC one and the newfangled little-endian on x86/x64. They have significantly different security profiles.


"Hey I just made DogieOS today, its the most secure in the world because its never been hacked and there are no vulnerabilities." Its the same claims Apple made for IOS and OSX, before immediately getting rekt by 100s of exploits.
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Re: Bitcointalk and Security
May 27, 2015, 02:17:33 PM
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Quote from: Lauda on May 27, 2015, 01:51:29 PM
You've claimed that Solaris was much safer and that the graph was false. One last try?

don't want to put words to his mouth but I think, that it was because less people are familiar with solaris (and other "less used" platforms like aix, hp unix etc) then with some common distro like RHEL, what can run anybody everywhere and obtain the skills much easier..
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Re: Bitcointalk and Security
May 27, 2015, 01:51:29 PM
#24
Quote from: 2112 on May 27, 2015, 01:48:07 PM
I'll actually change "smartass" to "dumbass" if you are unable to find a source on the internet that SPARC in a native big-endian architecture.
Changing the subject, are we?
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Solaris is actually a pair of quite distinct OS-es: the classic big-endian SPARC one and the newfangled little-endian on x86/x64. They have significantly different security profiles.
You've claimed that Solaris was much safer and that the graph was false. One last try?
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Re: Bitcointalk and Security
May 27, 2015, 01:48:07 PM
#23
Quote from: Lauda on May 27, 2015, 01:39:07 PM
Excellent. Another one to suggest for the list. Ad hominem anyone?
I'm not taking advice; I've read it. I've asked for elaboration and sources nothing else. You failed to provide any.
I'll actually change "smartass" to "dumbass" if you are unable to find a source on the Internet that SPARC in a native big-endian architecture.

Edit: I'm going to actually quote today's post by gmaxwell in another thread. It isn't ad-hominem, it is more like ad-chimpanzeem.

Quote from: gmaxwell on May 26, 2015, 11:25:24 PM
No one is advocating "just ignoring";  but the fact that we're not yet able to completely mitigate the risk of harm due to chimpanzees with firearms does not mean that it would be wise to start handing out uzis at the zoo or, especially, that we're somehow obligated to arm those primates who have failed find any firearms on their own.

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Re: Bitcointalk and Security
May 27, 2015, 01:39:07 PM
#22
Quote from: 2112 on May 27, 2015, 12:24:34 PM
You are just another smartass who probably couldn't recognize a big-endian box even if it dropped on your head. There's no point of taking security advice from such "credible sources".
Excellent. Another one to suggest for the list. Ad hominem anyone?
I'm not taking advice; I've read it. I've asked for elaboration and sources nothing else. You failed to provide any.
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Re: Bitcointalk and Security
May 27, 2015, 12:24:34 PM
#21
Quote from: Lauda on May 27, 2015, 12:11:05 PM
Are you by any chance trying to say that I falsified data?
I pulled it from a source that should be much more credible than your words. Saying that they have different security profiles doesn't make them secure.

Quote from: Lauda on May 27, 2015, 11:56:10 AM
Now, why did someone even mention this?
You are just another smartass who probably couldn't recognize a big-endian box even if it dropped on your head. There's no point of taking security advice from such "credible sources".
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Re: Bitcointalk and Security
May 27, 2015, 12:11:05 PM
#20
Quote from: 2112 on May 27, 2015, 12:06:08 PM
Quote from: Lauda on May 27, 2015, 11:56:10 AM
You've got to be kidding. Check the graph.
I'm not kidding. This graphs is a classical example of data falsification. Solaris is actually a pair of quite distinct OS-es: the classic big-endian SPARC one and the newfangled little-endian on x86/x64. They have significantly different security profiles.

Are you by any chance trying to say that I falsified data?
I pulled it from a source that should be much more credible than your words. Saying that they have different security profiles doesn't make them secure.

Quote from: Lauda on May 27, 2015, 11:56:10 AM
Now, why did someone even mention this?
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Re: Bitcointalk and Security
May 27, 2015, 12:06:08 PM
#19
Quote from: Lauda on May 27, 2015, 11:56:10 AM
OpenVMS is considered a highly secure and reliable operating system relied upon by large enterprises around the globe such as Stock Exchanges, Governments and Infrastructure for critical operations.
It is supposedly the most secure system in the world.
As well as many small & medium businesses that continue to run it on HP Integrity/Itanium boxes.
Quote from: Lauda on May 27, 2015, 11:56:10 AM
You've got to be kidding. Check the graph.
I'm not kidding. This graphs is a classical example of data falsification. Solaris is actually a pair of quite distinct OS-es: the classic big-endian SPARC one and the newfangled little-endian on x86/x64. They have significantly different security profiles.
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Re: Bitcointalk and Security
May 27, 2015, 11:56:10 AM
#18
Quote from: Xialla on May 27, 2015, 11:30:39 AM
Quote from: Athertle on May 27, 2015, 11:26:08 AM
I'm sure that one of the bigger hack groups like Anonymous would be able to hack that.

please read at least something about openvms before posting shits like this..your "sure" just make me smile.

 Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
He knows nothing and just made a useless post. First of Anonymous is not a group. Secondly their skills are very low, they usually just DDOS. DDOS can be initiated by anyone who has used their computer for a while.
Since it has been brought up here's an image:



OpenVMS is considered a highly secure and reliable operating system relied upon by large enterprises around the globe such as Stock Exchanges, Governments and Infrastructure for critical operations.
It is supposedly the most secure system in the world.


Now, why did someone even mention this?

Quote from: 2112 on May 27, 2015, 10:50:22 AM
Also, don't run Linux on those machines, but their native OS: Solaris, AIX, HP/UX respectively.
You've got to be kidding. Check the graph.
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Re: Bitcointalk and Security
May 27, 2015, 11:37:01 AM
#17
Quote from: The Bad Guy on May 27, 2015, 11:32:29 AM
big goverment agencies got hacked, NASA for example got hacked and I don't think that they don't have money, right ?

ahh you know..from my perspective there is difference between "pure technical hack" and some social engineering, insiders, man in the middle or spreading some nasty code from internal network..even the result is same.
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Re: Bitcointalk and Security
May 27, 2015, 11:32:29 AM
#16
Quote from: Xialla on May 27, 2015, 11:30:39 AM
Quote from: Athertle on May 27, 2015, 11:26:08 AM
I'm sure that one of the bigger hack groups like Anonymous would be able to hack that.

please read at least something about openvms before posting shits like this..your "sure" just make me smile.

 Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

I'am not expert on those things to be honest , and I don't even know what OpenVMS is , but I don't think it's about the money because anything is hackable no matter how secure is it . big goverment agencies got hacked ,  NASA for example  got hacked and I don't think that they don't have money , right ?
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Re: Bitcointalk and Security
May 27, 2015, 11:30:39 AM
#15
Quote from: Athertle on May 27, 2015, 11:26:08 AM
I'm sure that one of the bigger hack groups like Anonymous would be able to hack that.

please read at least something about openvms before posting shits like this..your "sure" just make me smile.

 Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Re: Bitcointalk and Security
May 27, 2015, 11:29:18 AM
#14
Quote from: Athertle on May 27, 2015, 11:26:08 AM
I'm sure that one of the bigger hack groups like Anonymous would be able to hack that.
How "sure" you are? Wanna bet? They'll just DDoS them out of anger and claim success.
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Re: Bitcointalk and Security
May 27, 2015, 11:26:08 AM
#13
Quote from: 2112 on May 27, 2015, 11:22:31 AM
Quote from: Athertle on May 27, 2015, 11:12:59 AM
It's the Internet; it's practically impossible for anything to be completely hack-proof.
Yeah, go hack OpenVMS, there are several freely accessible installations under the "enthusiast" license now offered by HP.


I'm sure that one of the bigger hack groups like Anonymous would be able to hack that.
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Re: Bitcointalk and Security
May 27, 2015, 11:22:31 AM
#12
Quote from: Athertle on May 27, 2015, 11:12:59 AM
It's the Internet; it's practically impossible for anything to be completely hack-proof.
Yeah, go hack OpenVMS, there are several freely accessible installations under the "enthusiast" license now offered by HP.
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Re: Bitcointalk and Security
May 27, 2015, 11:20:23 AM
#11
Quote from: Xialla on May 27, 2015, 11:08:35 AM
uhh...what is advantage of running System P with AIX over System X with RHEL in terms of security? I really don't get this.)
1) System P is big-endian. Apparently big-endian-ness completely confuses weakly-skilled programmers to the point that their brains go "tilt".

2) Practice shows that unfamiliar environment of AIX greatly confuses the attackers, again to the point that they just do some damage and leave instead of stealing the data or wreaking some skillful havoc.

I have years of practice in this field. Originally when young, I thought that it shouldn't be the case either, any person who is intelligent enough to program should be understand how to number bytes in a multi-byte integer. But the practice shows otherwise. For the confirmation of this fact go lookup various discussions of endian-ness on this forum and the source code for "getwork" in the Satoshi's client.
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Re: Bitcointalk and Security
May 27, 2015, 11:12:59 AM
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I don't think you guys really appreciate the security levels. It's the Internet; it's practically impossible for anything to be completely hack-proof. I wouldn't be surprised if the forum had over 5 hack attempts per day. The staff members are doing everything they can and all you guys can do is whine about a single break-in that was dealt with pretty quickly.
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Re: Bitcointalk and Security
May 27, 2015, 11:08:35 AM
#9
Quote from: 2112 on May 27, 2015, 10:50:22 AM
Also, don't run Linux on those machines, but their native OS: Solaris, AIX, HP/UX respectively.

uhh...what is advantage of running System P with AIX over System X with RHEL in terms of security? I really don't get this.)

Quote from: chrisvl on May 27, 2015, 07:21:02 AM
safety exists naturally not

lol? we are in 2015 my friend, security is just about amount of money (human effort), which you want to invest..HW tokens, DMZ clusters, reverse proxy, T4 DC with all security measurements, locked cabinet...omfg. just money..
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Re: Bitcointalk and Security
May 27, 2015, 10:54:05 AM
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We just should be thankful , probably the forum is getting attacked each day or at least more often then we see , but theymos is able to stop them . people who hack simply sell users informations on Darknet maybe or just re-sell the accounts here which is a good amount of money.
Now we should simply wait for the new forum which should be much much more secure . (let's hope)
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