Bitcointalk has been blocked in Russia because of Gambling advertisement - page 3.

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The reason for inclusion in the blacklist was a letter N.

Congratulations, now Russians are using the N word towards Bitcointalk Cheesy

Russian government must have a lot of time to waste during the pandemics if with all that's going on they can focus on banning cryptocurrencies and blocking access to bitcointalk.

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Quote from: snipie on March 27, 2020, 03:55:22 PM

Quote from: finaleshot2016 on March 27, 2020, 12:36:44 PM

I hope they knew that bitcointalk is an international forum where we can gather updated information about cryptocurrency. It's a wrong move for them to ban the whole forum if they just wanted to eliminate all the gambling platforms. I think it's better to ban those gambling platforms than the forum itself.

I bet Russians will still use VPN to access bitcointalk especially those reputable members of this forum that is from Russia.

It is ridiculous indeed, it is like putting a poster mocking Putin on a wall and the response is destroying that building, easy! The owner has to remove it himself or else mother Russia will do it for you. Crap...
BTW in the first place I don't think Russian are logging here without VPN or Tor, didn't they?

Probably not, if they are smart enough.
However, this doesn't surprise me at all, it's a normal and ecpected thing for Russia. They have funny understanding of freedom and they like to ban all sorts of things but that will not stop Russian people doing what they want and what they like.

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Quote from: snipie on March 27, 2020, 03:55:22 PM

Quote from: finaleshot2016 on March 27, 2020, 12:36:44 PM

I hope they knew that bitcointalk is an international forum where we can gather updated information about cryptocurrency. It's a wrong move for them to ban the whole forum if they just wanted to eliminate all the gambling platforms. I think it's better to ban those gambling platforms than the forum itself.

I bet Russians will still use VPN to access bitcointalk especially those reputable members of this forum that is from Russia.

It is ridiculous indeed, it is like putting a poster mocking Putin on a wall and the response is destroying that building, easy! The owner has to remove it himself or else mother Russia will do it for you. Crap...
BTW in the first place I don't think Russian are logging here without VPN or Tor, didn't they?

Yeah, but according to the VPN law of Russia, even they still use legal VPN, they will still not access bitcointalk. I don't know if it's applicable also in TOR. VPN providers are allowed in The Federal Service for Supervision of Communications, Information Technology and Mass Media or Roskomnadzor's blacklist so definitely, the forbidden websites can't be reached even using a legal VPN.

So I think it's time to say goodbye to our Russian friends here unless they find some other way to access the site legally.

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Quote from: finaleshot2016 on March 27, 2020, 12:36:44 PM

I hope they knew that bitcointalk is an international forum where we can gather updated information about cryptocurrency. It's a wrong move for them to ban the whole forum if they just wanted to eliminate all the gambling platforms. I think it's better to ban those gambling platforms than the forum itself.

I bet Russians will still use VPN to access bitcointalk especially those reputable members of this forum that is from Russia.

It is ridiculous indeed, it is like putting a poster mocking Putin on a wall and the response is destroying that building, easy! The owner has to remove it himself or else mother Russia will do it for you. Crap...
BTW in the first place I don't think Russian are logging here without VPN or Tor, didn't they?

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Quote from: NeuroticFish on March 26, 2020, 07:37:16 AM

The block is most certainly political and the gambling part was just a reason to throw to the public. If there would have been no gambling, they would have found another reason.
And as said, the block can be easily avoided. Just because politics and computer science are not BFF.

This is basically the truth, bitcointalk is the most important forum when it comes to cryptocurrencies so this is not about a casino or anything like that, they are trying to control the information and in this times of great uncertainty people are choosing to keep their money and this is scaring all the politicians, in my country there are already pleads from them for people to keep spending their money and if this does not happens then the economy will crumble, and if that happens then the people will begin to look for alternatives and bitcoin will be there for those people, as such Russia is taking preventive steps to avoid this from happening.

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I hope they knew that bitcointalk is an international forum where we can gather updated information about cryptocurrency. It's a wrong move for them to ban the whole forum if they just wanted to eliminate all the gambling platforms. I think it's better to ban those gambling platforms than the forum itself.

I bet Russians will still use VPN to access bitcointalk especially those reputable members of this forum that is from Russia.

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Is the ban DNS based or IP based?

If it is a DNS based ban you can simply ignore it by changing your DNS numbers. (8.8.4.4 and 8.8.8.8 for google's DNS)

If it is an IP ban, you'll have to use a VPN.

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Quote from: Granxis on March 26, 2020, 01:12:44 PM

Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on March 26, 2020, 11:09:49 AM

I have visited Russia and in every major city, in every nook and corner you can find illegal casinos. The ban on legal gambling is just one of the tools for the government to get bribes. Most of the illegal casino operators are foreigners (mostly Turks and Azeris) and they pay a certain amount of bribes to the authorities every month, so that they can operate without any harassment from the cops.

In Iran, Azerbaijan, and Turkey gambling is completely prohibited as far as i know, these countries have been shuttling gambling tourism since a very long time, these people are going to gambling to former soviet countries and Russia, and they are spending money in these countries, gambling income is as important as tourism income.

No surprise there. When you ban something, the demand actually increases. Highest level of drug abuse can be found in those countries which have the strictest punishment for drug usage. Similarly, the worst gambling addiction can be found in those countries, where all forms of gambling are illegal. What happens is that the sector will be forced to go underground and then it will come under the control of various mafias.

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Though this ban happened but I don't think the Russian community here will be affected, they can always find a method to still access the site, I'm sure using VPN is possible, right? Anyway, I can't understand why a certain forum is blocked just because it advertise a gambling site, that's very poor judgment because this is a big forum, it's does not promote gambling platforms only.

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Quote from: Saint-loup on March 26, 2020, 05:19:42 PM

Quote from: witcher_sense on March 26, 2020, 02:27:09 AM

Domain "bitcointalk.org" was blocked yesterday, 25.03.2020 by Roscomnadzor.

The reason for inclusion in the blacklist was a letter N 2-6-20/2017-07-13-1796-AИ from the Federal Tax Service of the Russian Federation dated 13.07.2017.

Additional information about this case can be found here: https://reestr.rublacklist.net/record/1250933/

As you can find out from the link above, they blocked this thread https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitstarz-10-1620600 in which was discussion about BitStarz casino scamming people.

It seems that gambling discussion caused tax services of Russia to ban whole cryptocurrency forum.

That's a surprising news Undecided

But are we really sure it's because of gambling? It can be an alibi to censor bitcointalk.org while they don't want to give the real reason.

When the whole world is suffering from coronavirus, there is no need for the Russian governments to take such steps which may directly or indirectly upset people. Even if they want to ban bitcointalk and crypto, can't they wait and delay this decision until the virus crisis is over. Russian government has taken the wrong step at a wrong time.

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Quote from: adzino on March 26, 2020, 05:46:12 PM

Not sure how this works? No one over here provids gambling service. Only announcements take place over here. Its not like you can place bets on this forum. Why would discussion about gambling be taxed. Sounds more like people are getting taxed for expressing their opinion which is really sad.
Weird law I would say. But people are smart enough over here. They will eventually find a way Wink

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I agree, that's indeed weird law banning everything related to gambling or cryptocurrency discussion. Russians are losing their right to speak freely, freedom of speech is totally ruined. Of course, you can always use some tools to access any desirable website, but there is a problem I can see here. Imagine situation, when you want to visit kitchen in order to satisfy natural food needs. Every time you try to open the door of your fridge, you get a notification that says: "In order to access the food you need to do 10 pushups and 10 situps first". That's not a big deal, though and also this might help you to become sporty guy (or technically savvy guy in our case). But this also creates huge inconveniences.

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Quote from: witcher_sense on March 26, 2020, 02:27:09 AM

Domain "bitcointalk.org" was blocked yesterday, 25.03.2020 by Roscomnadzor.

The reason for inclusion in the blacklist was a letter N 2-6-20/2017-07-13-1796-AИ from the Federal Tax Service of the Russian Federation dated 13.07.2017.

Additional information about this case can be found here: https://reestr.rublacklist.net/record/1250933/

As you can find out from the link above, they blocked this thread https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitstarz-10-1620600 in which was discussion about BitStarz casino scamming people.

It seems that gambling discussion caused tax services of Russia to ban whole cryptocurrency forum.

Not sure how this works? No one over here provides gambling service. Only announcements take place over here. Its not like you can place bets on this forum. Why would discussion about gambling be taxed. Sounds more like people are getting taxed for expressing their opinion which is really sad.
Weird law I would say. But people are smart enough over here. They will eventually find a way Wink

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Quote from: witcher_sense on March 26, 2020, 02:27:09 AM

Domain "bitcointalk.org" was blocked yesterday, 25.03.2020 by Roscomnadzor.

The reason for inclusion in the blacklist was a letter N 2-6-20/2017-07-13-1796-AИ from the Federal Tax Service of the Russian Federation dated 13.07.2017.

Additional information about this case can be found here: https://reestr.rublacklist.net/record/1250933/

As you can find out from the link above, they blocked this thread https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitstarz-10-1620600 in which was discussion about BitStarz casino scamming people.

It seems that gambling discussion caused tax services of Russia to ban whole cryptocurrency forum.

That's a surprising news Undecided

But are we really sure it's because of gambling? It can be an alibi to censor bitcointalk.org while they don't want to give the real reason.

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Wow, censorship in Russia at it's finest. It's just ridiculous. Following Roskomnadzor logic, they should ban Google too, because they had advertisements of scams. But I wouldn't be surprised - I remember they tried to ban Telegram, banned LinkedIn and many other websites.
BTW, I see that decision to ban Bitcointalk was made in 2071 and they banned it just right now. What a fast reaction!

Quote from: bittraffic on March 26, 2020, 12:57:24 PM

I have no idea online gambling is illegal in Russia. But b;locking a crypto forum is a lot like killing the crypto information than the online gambling. There are lots of Russians here Vitalik and Sasha of Waves is Russian. Now they'd have to use VPN to access. Wouldn't stop them from coming here though Russian section is a big community.

AFAIK, gambling in Russia isn't illegal, there is so many online casinos and sportsbooks in Russia. But this one wasn't legitimate and it was reason of ban.
I'm sure that your mentioned people always use VPN or TOR to access websites including Bitcointalk, so this ban won't affect them. It mainly affect ordinary people. Offcourse, they can use VPN, but obviously, not all are going to do it.

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Strange to hear such news. Why not ban gambling page only? And why not then ban google, as it shows lots if reference links...

This is so stupid to ban only connected page, but not banning main threat? And why not ban every gambling page that refuse to payout? Im confused...

Is it possible to have bitcointalk.org unblocked? Anyone heard roscomnadzor unblock pages?

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Quote from: dothebeats on March 26, 2020, 12:56:39 PM

The Russians have always acted compulsively when it comes to cryptocurrency. Remember the times when they aren't sure whether to allow bitcoin or not, but discusses the possibility of their own CryptoRuble? I remember. They do this because bitcoin gives financial freedom to those who wields it, and can act in their own volition, buy whatever they wanted without being monitored by the government 24/7. As for the case of gambling advertisement and the forum blacklist, I'm pretty sure or Russian friends would always find a way to access this site and continue doing what they're doing as if nothing happened.

I'm not surprised that they will go to the extreme to the point that they will ban the only hub wherein bitcoin is prominent. It is really a given, IMO.

That's what I thought; I don't hear much about cryptocurrencies from Russia very often, but I do know a few people in the country that do use BTC. The other major Russian crypto-related piece of news I remember was BTC-e being seized by the US authorities, though that was back in 2016 and it was just one incident.

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Quote from: bittraffic on March 26, 2020, 12:57:24 PM

I have no idea online gambling is illegal in Russia. But b;locking a crypto forum is a lot like killing the crypto information than the online gambling. There are lots of Russians here Vitalik and Sasha of Waves is Russian. Now they'd have to use VPN to access. Wouldn't stop them from coming here though Russian section is a big community.

Yeah. It is funny how governments just ban sites they find illegal and people would just use VPN to continue doing what they are doing. If this is the case then I think some sites like YouTube would ban advertisements about online gambling too, but still, Russians would still be able to access these sites since we have a lot of ways to cover ourselves like VPN and proxies.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on March 26, 2020, 11:09:49 AM

I have visited Russia and in every major city, in every nook and corner you can find illegal casinos. The ban on legal gambling is just one of the tools for the government to get bribes. Most of the illegal casino operators are foreigners (mostly Turks and Azeris) and they pay a certain amount of bribes to the authorities every month, so that they can operate without any harassment from the cops.

In Iran, Azerbaijan, and Turkey gambling is completely prohibited as far as i know, these countries have been shuttling gambling tourism since a very long time, these people are going to gambling to former soviet countries and Russia, and they are spending money in these countries, gambling income is as important as tourism income.

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I have no idea online gambling is illegal in Russia. But b;locking a crypto forum is a lot like killing the crypto information than the online gambling. There are lots of Russians here Vitalik and Sasha of Waves is Russian. Now they'd have to use VPN to access. Wouldn't stop them from coming here though Russian section is a big community.

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The Russians have always acted compulsively when it comes to cryptocurrency. Remember the times when they aren't sure whether to allow bitcoin or not, but discusses the possibility of their own CryptoRuble? I remember. They do this because bitcoin gives financial freedom to those who wields it, and can act in their own volition, buy whatever they wanted without being monitored by the government 24/7. As for the case of gambling advertisement and the forum blacklist, I'm pretty sure or Russian friends would always find a way to access this site and continue doing what they're doing as if nothing happened.

I'm not surprised that they will go to the extreme to the point that they will ban the only hub wherein bitcoin is prominent. It is really a given, IMO.

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