Topic: BITCOINTALK STAFF QUIETLY BANS PEOPLE FOR SPEAKING OUT AGAINST THEM - page 6. (Read 7848 times)
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October 08, 2014, 03:02:07 PM
And there'd be even less that were aware it went on if it wasn't allowed. If you're of the opinion that the trust system is completely meaningless then it's completely meaningless regardless. Banning account selling doesn't make it any more meaningful or valid. The trust system is a guide and not an ultimate honesty and trustworthiness barometer and you're free to interpret it in any way you want.
October 08, 2014, 02:38:08 PM
There are pro-arguments to letting it happen, contrary to your belief, and your opinion on the matter isn't shared by everyone. And what good what banning the sale of accounts here do exactly? Suddenly make it not happen? Only a naive fool would think it would have any positive impact. It would have the exact opposite because a lot of people would then be clueless to the fact that the practise goes on. Banning account sales would literally have zero positive effect here.
Your argument is completely meaningless. How would banning account sales make the trust system any more or less valid? It wouldn't.
Your argument is completely meaningless. How would banning account sales make the trust system any more or less valid? It wouldn't.
A lot of people are already completely oblivious to the fact that account selling goes on.
I'm just pointing out that, as things stand right now, the trust system is completely meaningless, because trust can be bought and sold instead of earned. Are you denying this reality altogether?
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October 08, 2014, 02:25:35 PM
There are pro-arguments to letting it happen, contrary to your belief, and your opinion on the matter isn't shared by everyone. And what good what banning the sale of accounts here do exactly? Suddenly make it not happen? Only a naive fool would think it would have any positive impact. It would have the exact opposite because a lot of people would then be clueless to the fact that the practise goes on. Banning account sales would literally have zero positive effect here.
Your argument is completely meaningless. How would banning account sales make the trust system any more or less valid? It wouldn't.
Your argument is completely meaningless. How would banning account sales make the trust system any more or less valid? It wouldn't.
October 08, 2014, 02:19:50 PM
Exactly, but I don't think this guy is going to get it. Most people generally do seem to frown upon account selling and it's not 'endorsed' by this site or the admins. There's a difference between endorsing something and allowing something, especially something they cannot hope to or be expected to control. Also, even if account trading was banned, that wouldn't mean it's not going to happen and suddenly make trust 'meaningful' or 100% trustable.
You implicitly endorse account selling by creating "pro" arguments on its behalf. You could simply disallow open account selling on the forum, but that's too much to ask apparently.
I'm just pointing out that if you are happy with your trust system being absolutely meaningless, then by all means, carry on exactly the way you've been doing.
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October 08, 2014, 02:12:18 PM
Exactly, but I don't think this guy is going to get it. Most people generally do seem to frown upon account selling and it's not 'endorsed' by this site or the admins. There's a difference between endorsing something and allowing something, especially something they cannot hope to or be expected to control. Also, even if account trading was banned, that wouldn't mean it's not going to happen and suddenly make trust 'meaningful' or 100% trustable.
October 08, 2014, 02:08:40 PM
You guys realize the trust system is completely meaningless, right?
So long as you can buy and sell accounts, you can get trust that you didn't earn and use it to make trades with people who don't know they are trading with a bought account.
This is why account selling should be frowned upon and not openly endorsed.
So long as you can buy and sell accounts, you can get trust that you didn't earn and use it to make trades with people who don't know they are trading with a bought account.
This is why account selling should be frowned upon and not openly endorsed.
And yet that fixes nothing, accounts will still be bought and sold. The "burden of proof" should not rest on the administrators but rather upon those wanting to trade, they are not here to hand hold. It is up to the individual to check the Trust of those they deal with and actually LOOK at what has been left and who left it. Then you can form an educated opinion if you want to believe it or not. A good thing about these buys and sells; it makes you really check the account before you trade. At least it should.
Trust is not meaningless, it is a good starting point.
October 08, 2014, 01:57:29 PM
You guys realize the trust system is completely meaningless, right?
So long as you can buy and sell accounts, you can get trust that you didn't earn and use it to make trades with people who don't know they are trading with a bought account.
This is why account selling should be frowned upon and not openly endorsed.
So long as you can buy and sell accounts, you can get trust that you didn't earn and use it to make trades with people who don't know they are trading with a bought account.
This is why account selling should be frowned upon and not openly endorsed.
October 08, 2014, 12:43:44 AM
Speaking of Tradefortress
Wasn't the original TF account sold?
So this TF is not the real TF?
~BCX~
Wasn't the original TF account sold?
So this TF is not the real TF?
~BCX~
No one could really prove if it was sold, and TF couldn't prove it was him or not.
So people just assume whatever they want.
October 07, 2014, 09:37:36 PM
Who is TF?
I could figure it out but I'm lazy.
I could figure it out but I'm lazy.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/tradefortress-67058
Original name TradeFortress.
You oughtta remember one of your best friends Vod. You and him and Blazr should be called the 3 stooges of bitcointalk.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/btctalkaccounts-125582
What do you plan to do with these accounts, out of curiosity?
I can't go into much detail as my competitors will copy me, but:
These accounts are sold to trustworthy people who use them for running businesses, alts, skipping newbie jail etc. If you wish we can inform a mod (Maged) of the sale and the account will be marked as an alt of mine.
Speak of bitcointalk corruption...
October 07, 2014, 06:31:27 PM
Thanks. Holy hell thats impressive feedback.
October 07, 2014, 06:15:52 PM
Who is TF?
I could figure it out but I'm lazy.
I could figure it out but I'm lazy.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/tradefortress-67058
Original name TradeFortress.
October 07, 2014, 06:13:05 PM
This is acutally a good idea, as staff for these past days have bullying members, I seen one member get banned for small scams and the bigger ones like TF still stay here cause hes connected. Theymos and his staff goons are just bullies with power in this forum. Like the government, People you shouldnt be afraid if they ban you then this forum is not worth it, move on to others, let theymos staff and mods be the fall of him.
Who is TF?
I could figure it out but I'm lazy.
October 05, 2014, 11:12:38 AM
You won't be banned unless you break some rule. Seriously, this forum doesn't care about someone whining about something. I've seen far worse things been said about the staff and theymos and those threads still stay, but of course you're a butthurt conspiracy theorist so you'll make up something every time to suit your agenda.
Oh noes! A staff member insulted me. I demand he be put to death!
I suggest trial by not spammy posts.
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October 05, 2014, 01:25:16 AM
You won't be banned unless you break some rule. Seriously, this forum doesn't care about someone whining about something. I've seen far worse things been said about the staff and theymos and those threads still stay, but of course you're a butthurt conspiracy theorist so you'll make up something every time to suit your agenda.
October 04, 2014, 03:53:05 PM
Theymos had absolutely nothing to do with these bannings and most of the others that get banned. And this is a centralised privately-owned forum. If someone wants to create their own decentralised one they're free to do it. Creating a centralised one as he described probably wouldn't work very well for obvious reasons. Don't like what someone says? Get you and your buddies accounts and down vote to censor their posts into oblivion.
Yes you're right , the forum has need to be centralized . Thanks again for your reply and sorry I didn't want to be arrogant ( it is only for know).
October 04, 2014, 02:12:45 PM
Theymos had absolutely nothing to do with these bannings and most of the others that get banned. And this is a centralised privately-owned forum. If someone wants to create their own decentralised one they're free to do it. Creating a centralised one as he described probably wouldn't work very well for obvious reasons. Don't like what someone says? Get you and your buddies accounts and down vote to censor their posts into oblivion.
Yes you're right , the forum has need to be centralized . Thanks again for your reply and sorry I didn't want to be arrogant ( it is only for know).
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October 04, 2014, 02:08:11 PM
Theymos had absolutely nothing to do with these bannings and most of the others that get banned. And this is a centralised privately-owned forum. If someone wants to create their own decentralised one they're free to do it. Creating a centralised one as he described probably wouldn't work very well for obvious reasons. Don't like what someone says? Get you and your buddies accounts and down vote to censor their posts into oblivion.
October 04, 2014, 01:50:54 PM
Thanks for this post , I'm thinking the same thing ... now we have just to wait a reply from an administrator .
A reply regarding what exactly?
Oh yes , sorry I forgot to quote the important parts :
this
A new petition encourages Theymos, the administrator of BitcoinTalk, to give his side of the story for an addition to the article about his website, instead of quietly banning accounts.
and this :
Do you think that the BitcoinTalk forum should become decentralized so that the members control the site? What ramifications would they need to consider? If there was a BitcoinTalk coin to govern the weight of people’s votes on the forum, would it be useful? Would you buy it? How do you feel about BitcoinTalk’s staff members quietly banning people for speaking out against them? Leave a comment below and express your views.
I think those is an interesting "affermations/questions" , but it is only my personal opinion
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October 04, 2014, 01:44:33 PM
Thanks for this post , I'm thinking the same thing ... now we have just to wait a reply from an administrator .
A reply regarding what exactly?
October 04, 2014, 01:42:19 PM
BitcoinTalk staff quietly banned multiple accounts that were connected to Sir William’s protest against BitcoinTalk for allowing people to buy and sell their BitcoinTalk accounts.
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SOURCE :https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/bitcointalk-staff-quietly-bans-people-speaking/
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SOURCE :https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/bitcointalk-staff-quietly-bans-people-speaking/
Thanks for this post , I'm thinking the same thing ... now we have just to wait a reply from an administrator .
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