[BitFunder] Graet.Loan - Paying 0.05% interest daily - page 10.

Bananery

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Quote from: julz on December 09, 2013, 03:57:30 AM

I don't understand why dividends are (were?) being paid via a system which Graet would know (as a director of weexchange) has lost coins.

Because he himself had funds in the broken system that he can't withdraw. By paying them inside of the broken system he makes them available to him, because he can say he paid them, it's not his fault the system broke.

So if WeExchange doesn't pay out, he effectively converted his frozen funds into real one.

julz

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I don't understand why dividends are (were?) being paid via a system which Graet would know (as a director of weexchange) has lost coins.

If those of us with funds trapped at weexchange don't end up receiving the full amount - it seems unreasonable for him to have paid into a system which will not return 100%.

I applaud the efforts to resolve the situation via a deal with Neo & Bee, but if there is any doubt that the full dividends paid into bitfunder/weexchange will reach the shareholders, then such dividends should have been with-held until direct payment was practical.

There is no circumstance under which it is reasonable to put yet more user funds into a system which is not going to pay out 100%.
Adding such funds after the event, means that the average haircut would be less - but it is not legitimate to add more *users* funds to some loss-sharing pool.

I can only hope that this means Graet has complete confidence in the upcoming arrangements and has good reason to believe everyone will ultimately be paid.

digit

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Quote from: digit on November 21, 2013, 05:28:17 AM

Graet what about GPT.ESecBTC and GPT.YABMC assets?

In case you were not aware ESECURITYSABTC on BTC-TC has already been migrated to Crypto-trade nearly a month ago and dividends have already been paid for October. If you not planning to continue the pass through, could you transfer the shares to the individual holders who have accounts there?

November dividends about to paid out soon. Can you give some answers please?

lunarboy

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Quote from: Bananery on December 07, 2013, 03:35:09 PM

Next time he pays dividends, it will probably cover at least a week or maybe even a month. Paying every day isn't for best, because the translation fees will take a lot from the dividends. I'm quite alright with weekly or monthly dividends.

Weekly makes a lot of sense now the tx fee is so high, i'd be reluctant to switch to monthly unless there was an official method to trade shares and a new published business plan.

Bananery

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Quote from: lunarboy on December 07, 2013, 03:26:13 PM

So seems like the dividends are no longer being sent to Bitfunder... and they don't seem to be being forwarded to Weexchange.

Graet: We could all use an update here. Doesn't have to be much but a provisional plan would be nice.

Thanks

He paid 7 BTC on the last day of November, so it means we're covered until December 8th. I hope Graeme can give an update tomorrow, but looking at how slow his communication has been so far, I'm not expecting anything for several weeks.

Next time he pays dividends, it will probably cover at least a week or maybe even a month. Paying every day isn't for best, because the transation fees will take a lot from the dividends. I'm quite alright with weekly or monthly dividends.

lunarboy

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So seems like the dividends are no longer being sent to Bitfunder... and they don't seem to be being forwarded to Weexchange.

Graet: We could all use an update here. Doesn't have to be much but a provisional plan would be nice.

Thanks

edit: just noticed the last dividend sent to bitfunder (30th nov) was for 7 days at once.. no idea what that 'means' though. Huh

ohyeahok

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There is no news?

Djingis

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Quote from: TurdHurdur on November 30, 2013, 02:14:37 PM

A 0.000035 dividend is nice and all, but how about you send it to the assets list addresses instead of the black hole that is weex?

nobody knows ..

anyone got his redeem request proceeded ?

seems like graet is really busy ?!

TurdHurdur

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A 0.000035 dividend is nice and all, but how about you send it to the assets list addresses instead of the black hole that is weex?

thirdlight

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Quoting for reference:

Quote from: Graet on May 28, 2013, 08:06:22 AM

Loan to Graet (Graeme Tee)
https://bitfunder.com/asset/Graet.Loan

References:
http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=Graet
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/escrow-list-108716
Owns and runs Ozcoin Pooled Mining Pty Ltd and CrownCloud.net
Australian Director WeExchange Australia Pty Ltd

Interest:
- Shares shall pay an interest of 0.05% daily.

Shares value:
- A maximum of 200,000 shares will be issued
- Shares have a face value of 0.01 BTC
- Shares retain a minimum of $0.1 USD value each.

Should any event make Bitcoins become valued at less than $1 USD per Bitcoin or impossible to be transacted, you may request to redeem your shares for $0.1 USD instead.

Redeeming Shares:
- Shares can be redeemed at face value anytime upon request.
- Redeeming shares may take some time to liquidate positions or procure more BTC.

Description:
This loan is to hold and/or use BTC for on-demand needs for my projects, such as OzCoin, CrownCloud, etc.
This loan is not tied to the success or failure of any business.
This loan should not be defaulted on unless personal bankruptcy is officially declared.
Consider it a personal loan.

You can request refund of the loan at face value anytime.
Redeeming bonds may take some time to liquidate positions or procure more BTC if no liquid BTC is available.

thirdlight

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Here is the current public asset list:

Code:

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Worth noting that one account has 10 shares, but no public address.
Also, there are still changes being made to public addresses - not many, but some.

Thanks,

tolan77

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In case this still gets resolved, I am not on the redeem list. I sent my request for 2085 bonds October 10th via email with a reply on October 15th and have heard nothing since. Public bitfunder address 1nFe55ncihZfYXMH1dPBpSzkuqy9gJSmL

Edited
Also sent PM with PGP proof on October 9th.

Djingis

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Quote from: Bananery on November 29, 2013, 08:55:16 AM

Quote from: Djingis on November 29, 2013, 07:51:11 AM

Anyone got news about the loan ?

Is it possible to pay out ? or get the future dividends to the public adress ?

Do you ever read older messages from the thread or just ask whatever you want right away?

he's still paying dividends on bitfunder account , wrote him a message 1 week ago .. no answer

but yea i read older messages but there arent any news right now about the dividends ?!

Bananery

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Quote from: Djingis on November 29, 2013, 07:51:11 AM

Anyone got news about the loan ?

Is it possible to pay out ? or get the future dividends to the public adress ?

Do you ever read older messages from the thread or just ask whatever you want right away?

Djingis

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Anyone got news about the loan ?

Is it possible to pay out ? or get the future dividends to the public adress ?

bittymitty

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Quote from: Bananery on November 26, 2013, 05:00:14 PM

Graet, stop paying fucking dividends into fucking BitFunder. The funds at BitFunder are most likely either frozen on seized, shit hit the fan, Ukyo himself said it.

If we won't get the dividends that you paid while it was a known fact that WeExchange had withdrawal problems, you will pay all those dividends for the second time, that time for real.

There is no BTC its a fraud....

Bananery

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Graet, stop paying fucking dividends into fucking BitFunder. The funds at BitFunder are most likely either frozen on seized, shit hit the fan, Ukyo himself said it.

If we won't get the dividends that you paid while it was a known fact that WeExchange had withdrawal problems, you will pay all those dividends for the second time, that time for real.

SOSLOVE868

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Quote from: thy on November 25, 2013, 04:55:47 PM

Quote from: SOSLOVE868 on November 21, 2013, 05:40:20 PM

Great , do you know UKYO and are You the director of Weex? can you tell us what happen there for stop spreading FUD... Thanks

It sais right on the first page of this thread that he's the Australian Director of WeExchange so of cource he knows Ukyo.

Quote from: Graet on May 28, 2013, 08:06:22 AM

....

References:
http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=Graet
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/escrow-list-108716
Owns and runs Ozcoin Pooled Mining Pty Ltd and CrownCloud.net
Australian Director WeExchange Australia Pty Ltd

....

Its great, so Great should be give us some explanations about what happening with his great company ....

thy

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Quote from: SOSLOVE868 on November 21, 2013, 05:40:20 PM

Great , do you know UKYO and are You the director of Weex? can you tell us what happen there for stop spreading FUD... Thanks

It sais right on the first page of this thread that he's the Australian Director of WeExchange so of cource he knows Ukyo.

Quote from: Graet on May 28, 2013, 08:06:22 AM

....

References:
http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=Graet
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/escrow-list-108716
Owns and runs Ozcoin Pooled Mining Pty Ltd and CrownCloud.net
Australian Director WeExchange Australia Pty Ltd

....

digit

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Quote from: digit on November 21, 2013, 05:28:17 AM

Graet what about GPT.ESecBTC and GPT.YABMC assets?

In case you were not aware ESECURITYSABTC on BTC-TC has already been migrated to Crypto-trade nearly a month ago and dividends have already been paid for October. If you not planning to continue the pass through, could you transfer the shares to the individual holders who have accounts there?

Can you give an answer about this please? These are also assets you created on Bitfunder besides the loan, there have been no updates about them from you yet. Huh

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