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Topic: bithra.com | Free and provably fair escrow (Read 3149 times)

legendary
Activity: 2557
Merit: 1886
July 04, 2016, 12:04:04 PM
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That's why I never trust online escrows and never will trust them all at once!
There is no intellectual arbitration if one party tends to be trolling while completing a deal and the owner of escrow provider (Rhavar in this case) not believing in screenshots which already provides a solid proof to the case! Also he won't be returning the funds to the person who previously believed in a service.

These kind of online escrows are kind of money sucking services to be honest! I will never ever recommend them when reliable members like Blazed and Ognasty are here to do the job in a much more efficient and mature way.

I'm sorry to say that Rhavar is not at all being professional with this service unlike he is on Bustabit. That's totally not expected from you!

^ This is the exact reason I don't want to deal with this shit anymore.

1. I explicitly promise not to provide arbitration, and don't charge a fee. It's like going to a soup kitchen and screaming they don't offer clothes.

2. Screenshots can be faked, and even if the screenshot is real, how can I tell it's with the real party. It could be a conversation with his buddy? I've literally had a scammer try get his money out of an escrow before by using faked emails, and after I pushed back on his request he ended up releasing the money to the seller.

4. Yes, if you want arbitration use someone who offers it. They will charge a small fee (generally) and actually be aware of the terms of the deal and the participants. The way bithra is setup, I literally don't even know the involved parties.
legendary
Activity: 2324
Merit: 1267
In Memory of Zepher
...the owner of escrow provider (Rhavar in this case) not believing in screenshots which already provides a solid proof to the case!
This is because screenshots are not valid proof whatsoever, and should never be taken as such (especially when monetary loss could ensue because of it). I mean, you even said the same thing to me over Skype, right? Wink
sr. member
Activity: 350
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That's why I never trust online escrows and never will trust them all at once!
There is no intellectual arbitration if one party tends to be trolling while completing a deal and the owner of escrow provider (Rhavar in this case) not believing in screenshots which already provides a solid proof to the case! Also he won't be returning the funds to the person who previously believed in a service.

These kind of online escrows are kind of money sucking services to be honest! I will never ever recommend them when reliable members like Blazed and Ognasty are here to do the job in a much more efficient and mature way.

I'm sorry to say that Rhavar is not at all being professional with this service unlike he is on Bustabit. That's totally not expected from you!
legendary
Activity: 2557
Merit: 1886
After a lot of thinking, I've disabled creating new escrows on bithra. The main point of bithra was to remove the incentive from scamming, it was never (by design) able to stop it. I still think it's a cool idea, and by and large has helped a lot of people; but I'd rather not get dragged into this crap when things go wrong. In kassadin5's specific case for example, while I feel for him, he's used a free escrow service with full awareness that it doesn't provide arbitration and then jumps to accuse me of scamming when he doesn't get arbitration. Incidentally, I've spent >1 BTC out of my own pocket helping people who were scammed while using bithra (like tricked into releasing the funds),  (as some of the previous comments will attest to). There's a hand-full of uncompleted escrow addresses, if they're not resolved within a year of creation I'll sweep them into some public donation addresses. No extensions of existing escrows will be granted, they'll need to be terminated within a year.


I'll reopen it for new escrows if I have the time and energy to develop a system where the receiver needs to provide a deposit, to prove he's serious about the trade and will suffer a financial loss if he's merely trolling.
legendary
Activity: 3668
Merit: 2218
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From what I have seen Bithra.com is working exactly as it is supposed to.

As an outside observer, I have addressed at length the dual scam accusations here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.15449921 and have also contacted lind82 for comment.

As there is a dedicated scam accusation thread https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scammed-by-forum-user-lind82-and-escrow-service-bithracom-photo-proof-1534851 it is unnecessary to continue this discussion any further here.

So finally it started to an scam. that's shit.. now people should be more careful about web based escrow services. I think we already have our legit and genuine human escrows here in bitcoin talk so we should prefer to get help from them instead of using a website which doesn't give any guarantee for your money. 

Part of why I think Bithra is working perfectly is that it isn't blinded by any He said / She said issues that would cloud an Escrow's mind.  On the scam accusation page in the last hour lind82 has admitted he has already sold the item he'd already sold to kassadin5 who organised the Escrow through Bithra to another buyer (ie sold the same item twice).

In the last hour I have proposed to lind82 that they reimburse to kassadin5 the BTC 0.24 via a third party and then kassadin5 (who has already offered to provide the secret release to said third party) will release the funds that are destined for lind82.

Since I made the offer to lind82 they have gone offline.
legendary
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ok then, what evidence do you need to release my btc? i will get it
*edit, just saw timelord's post, he's right, we'll continue this over there
i can help you for get btc you back, if you want ...

kassadin5 be very wary if lind82 starts suggesting that you use an escrow of their choosing to send the secret key to - there have been a few fake Escrows popping up claiming to be the real person when in fact they are impersonators.
legendary
Activity: 1302
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From what I have seen Bithra.com is working exactly as it is supposed to.

As an outside observer, I have addressed at length the dual scam accusations here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.15449921 and have also contacted lind82 for comment.

As there is a dedicated scam accusation thread https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scammed-by-forum-user-lind82-and-escrow-service-bithracom-photo-proof-1534851 it is unnecessary to continue this discussion any further here.

So finally it started to an scam. that's shit.. now people should be more careful about web based escrow services. I think we already have our legit and genuine human escrows here in bitcoin talk so we should prefer to get help from them instead of using a website which doesn't give any guarantee for your money. 
sr. member
Activity: 435
Merit: 250
ok then, what evidence do you need to release my btc? i will get it
*edit, just saw timelord's post, he's right, we'll continue this over there
i can help you for get btc you back, if you want ...
sr. member
Activity: 260
Merit: 250
ok then, what evidence do you need to release my btc? i will get it
*edit, just saw timelord's post, he's right, we'll continue this over there
legendary
Activity: 3668
Merit: 2218
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From what I have seen Bithra.com is working exactly as it is supposed to.

As an outside observer, I have addressed at length the dual scam accusations here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.15449921 and have also contacted lind82 for comment.

As there is a dedicated scam accusation thread https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scammed-by-forum-user-lind82-and-escrow-service-bithracom-photo-proof-1534851 it is unnecessary to continue this discussion any further here.
legendary
Activity: 2557
Merit: 1886
the money from the scam is stuck in bithra, and the owner of bithra himself admits he is 100% sure it's my money and i've been scammed, and he refuses to give me my btc

I think you might be misunderstanding me a little. If your screenshot are accurate, then you were unfortunately scammed, but a few skype screenshot is not enough for me to subvert the promises and provably fair system of bithra. I don't mean to imply you are not telling the truth, as I'm sure you are -- but screenshots are not exactly solid proof, and bitha offers no arbitration nor the is even aware of the details of the trade.
sr. member
Activity: 260
Merit: 250
the money from the scam is stuck in bithra, and the owner of bithra himself admits he is 100% sure it's my money and i've been scammed, and he refuses to give me my btc
"However we do plan on sweeping abandoned escrows that are clearly never going to be resolved (older than a year, and no extensions)"
this is a quote from the page FAQ, he makes money by sweeping anything older then a year, and as you can see on the picture below, he asked me to wait for (wait for it) 1 year before contacting him
suspicious?


https://i.imgur.com/zoHSpnF.png
legendary
Activity: 1168
Merit: 1049
can you see them now

-snip-

Maybe, but this is a scam accusation and shouldn't be clogging up bithra.com's thread. Can you take it to the Scam Accusations section?
legendary
Activity: 3668
Merit: 2218
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i need advice if you can
i just went to buy something worth 160$ on bithra escrow from forum user lind82 (SCAMMER, PLEASE GIVE HIM NEGATIVE TRUST), i sent the money, then the seller (as you can see from the screenshots below) asked for the key, i started googling and found this
is there really no way to dispute my btc back?
before you start commenting on my trust read what it says, im not a scammer, i just sell something that shouldnt be sold
anyway pls help me guys, i really need the money...







You need to put all this in the Scam accusation section...

In any event, you put this into user lind82 's trust...

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Scammed me for 160$, photo proof below, used skype profile lind82 and bitcoin adress 12GNo1TNmm8g75XtfD9M7LfeXLv39r8jHQ with 442 transactions at the moment
DONT USE BITHRA ESCROW IF HE PROPOSES IT, YOU CANT DISPUTE IT, IF YOU SEND YOUR BTC IS GONE, YOU CAN EITHER RELEASE ESCROW OR FORGET ABOUT THEM

lind82 https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/lind82-552363



I can't actually read what the screen shots say, but I'm just wondering did the other party refuse to send whatever it is, or have you decided not to go ahead with the trade?

Did you understand how Bithra has been set up to lock funds away until agreement can be reached?
sr. member
Activity: 260
Merit: 250
hello? RHavar i saw you just gave him negative trust, please answer my pm
sr. member
Activity: 260
Merit: 250
i need advice if you can
i just went to buy something worth 160$ on bithra escrow from forum user lind82 (SCAMMER, PLEASE GIVE HIM NEGATIVE TRUST), i sent the money, then the seller (as you can see from the screenshots below) asked for the key, i started googling and found this
is there really no way to dispute my btc back?
before you start commenting on my trust read what it says, im not a scammer, i just sell something that shouldnt be sold
anyway pls help me guys, i really need the money...





legendary
Activity: 3668
Merit: 2218
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just do an escrow on bithra.com with lakuf,wish it work well Grin Grin

This is the guy who scammed me, F "lakuf" and all your alt accounts.

just do an escrow on bithra.com with lakuf,wish it work well Grin Grin

This is the guy who scammed me, F "lakuf" and all your alt accounts.

yes,he is a fraud
How can I do now???
https://photos.google.com/search/_tra_/photo/AF1QipNpnWVdfvNeCiYOcaX5EEUeUAUUdDmzcVOb8tJW

Hmm:

Two things:

Firstly there is no "negative" on alipro's account (at all) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=857215

Secondly, please take your scam accusation to the so named scam accusation section.
newbie
Activity: 37
Merit: 0
just do an escrow on bithra.com with lakuf,wish it work well Grin Grin

This is the guy who scammed me, F "lakuf" and all your alt accounts.

just do an escrow on bithra.com with lakuf,wish it work well Grin Grin

This is the guy who scammed me, F "lakuf" and all your alt accounts.

yes,he is a fraud
How can I do now???
https://photos.google.com/search/_tra_/photo/AF1QipNpnWVdfvNeCiYOcaX5EEUeUAUUdDmzcVOb8tJW
newbie
Activity: 14
Merit: 0
just do an escrow on bithra.com with lakuf,wish it work well Grin Grin

This is the guy who scammed me, F "lakuf" and all your alt accounts.
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