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Topic: ⭕ BitList.co - Mixers ' Exchanges ' Services ' Casinos (Read 2008 times)

legendary
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You can also remove Blockdx exchange since their blockdx.net domain is for sale on Godaddy. Link
Strange how they didn't announce anything about stopping wallet development and selling their domain.
There was some activity on twitter last year and their github page is still available with latest release v1.9.5 from December 9.
Blocknet main website is still available also:
https://github.com/blocknetdx/block-dx
https://blocknet.org/
legendary
Activity: 3514
Merit: 3585
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It's nice to see that offline services that are reliably known to be closed have been removed from monitoring.

You can also remove Blockdx exchange since their blockdx.net domain is for sale on Godaddy. Link
legendary
Activity: 3514
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@icopress and @TryNinja, I have a suggestion for a platform upgrade.  Smiley
What do you think about the option of adding night mode on the bitlist.co site? I believe that most people would like the possibility of changing a large white area.
newbie
Activity: 27
Merit: 23
Mixero is certainly not a phishing site, it is quite proven and there are no complaints about it. By the way, they recently implemented a new method, they named a ricochet, which in some further analyses is closer to coinjoin than to the classic mixer.

Ricochet has nothing to do with coinjoin. It is just a copy or Samourai Wallet’s ricochet feature which adds several hops to your transactions. Why you would send your coins to a custodian and pay them a fee for something that can easily be done from any regular self custodial wallet is beyond my understanding. It is worse than coinjoin because it doesn’t hide the connection between the sender and receiver and all the extra hops cost you unnecessary fees.

They also have terms and conditions prohibiting residents of the United States so I assume all the people that complained about zkSNACKs censorship when they had similar geographical restrictions in their final month of operation will be just as angry and will be pressuring forum users not to use Mixero. They should be doing that regardless because it is a blatant scam. You don’t need a custodian to swap back and forth between BTC and XMR. You don’t need a custodian to do coinjoins for you. You don’t need a custodian to add hops to your transactions. They are deceiving customers by claiming to offer privacy services when they are really just a custodial wallet trying to scam you into paying fees.
legendary
Activity: 2212
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I would replace word coinjoin with some different term for mentioned mixers.

There is no coinjoin coordination service offered by these phishing sites, they have complete access to your transaction data and complete custody of your coins.
As far as I know Bitlist never claimed any website is using coordinators.
Services you mentioned are calling this ''coinjoin'' on their website, even if it's not a real coinjoin with centralized coordinators like you are.
I wouldn't go so far to calling them all a phishing websites, and I didn't know word coinjoin (aka joining of coins) has been trademarked.
member
Activity: 378
Merit: 93
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Mixero is certainly not a phishing site, it is quite proven and there are no complaints about it.

I just complained about it, didn't I? I just tested it and confirmed it is a phishing site and not a coinjoin coordinator, it provides you a BTC deposit address.
legendary
Activity: 3514
Merit: 3585
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OK. This is the closest to what I expected as an answer.
Two of these sites are not working, so I will delete them soon. Although I will probably leave UniJoin in the list only by removing the "CoinJoin" postscript (since this site has many clones, and despite the fact that it is closed, users should know which site was the original). I have not tested Whirto (and I have no desire to test it since I sent them a number of questions and did not receive a single answer, so their hashtag will return as soon as they prove otherwise). I have not tested Mixero, but as far as I can judge, they have been working for a long time without complaints. Therefore, I need a volunteer who could show a letter of guarantee and a successful transaction, and we could take a look to determine how similar their method is to CoinJoin.

@icopress, I see that mixy is offline in the monitoring, I just checked the site is available and seems to be functional. I don't know if this is entered manually or if some script automatically checks it.
It seems to me that there is a slightly higher level of CF protection, it is possible that this is the reason why the check shows that the site is unavailable.

You can see icopress is promoting custodial sites "Whirto", "Tengri", "Mixero" and "Unijoin" as coinjoin services. Now everyone who sends their money there will assume coinjoins are scams because they got their money stolen by yet another "mixing site".
Mixero is certainly not a phishing site, it is quite proven and there are no complaints about it. By the way, they recently implemented a new method, they named a ricochet, which in some further analyses is closer to coinjoin than to the classic mixer.
legendary
Activity: 1456
Merit: 5874
light_warrior ... 🕯️
Two of these sites are not working, so I will delete them soon. Although I will probably leave UniJoin in the list only by removing the "CoinJoin" postscript (since this site has many clones, and despite the fact that it is closed, users should know which site was the original). I have not tested Whirto (and I have no desire to test it since I sent them a number of questions and did not receive a single answer, so their hashtag will return as soon as they prove otherwise). I have not tested Mixero, but as far as I can judge, they have been working for a long time without complaints. Therefore, I need a volunteer who could show a letter of guarantee and a successful transaction, and we could take a look to determine how similar their method is to CoinJoin.
member
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Merit: 93
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Write them here publicly.

Here's the list:

You can see icopress is promoting custodial sites "Whirto", "Tengri", "Mixero" and "Unijoin" as coinjoin services. Now everyone who sends their money there will assume coinjoins are scams because they got their money stolen by yet another "mixing site".

There is no coinjoin coordination service offered by these phishing sites, they have complete access to your transaction data and complete custody of your coins.
legendary
Activity: 3514
Merit: 3585
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A month ago, I sent you an urgent message about 4 coinjoin phishing sites you have listed. They are still there. Explain.

It's been 2 months and you still have all 4 phishing websites listed. What do you have to say for yourself?
Write them here publicly. Other users may have an opinion about these controversial listed services, and that would help in the further process of selection which service will be listed on bitlist.co
To be honest, you are not a person with sound judgment, so your words are not always taken as reliable.
member
Activity: 378
Merit: 93
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A month ago, I sent you an urgent message about 4 coinjoin phishing sites you have listed. They are still there. Explain.

It's been 2 months and you still have all 4 phishing websites listed. What do you have to say for yourself?
legendary
Activity: 3514
Merit: 3585
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Why hasn't anyone mentioned the bitlist.co Github page here?
It seems like a lot of effort has been put into it.

https://github.com/icopress/List-Bitcoin-Mixers/
legendary
Activity: 2212
Merit: 7064
I am suggesting one interesting service to be added on Bitlist website.
It is called Sub-Rosa, based in Vienna, Austria, and they are working with anonymous package delivery.
This service is accepting bitcoin, monero or fiat payments, and suing it you can receive package without revealing your identity.
Interesting concept that works, and I first heard about it in bitcointalk forum:
https://www.sub-rosa.at/
legendary
Activity: 3514
Merit: 3585
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I am currently looking at the PGP signed letter verification tool https://bitlist.co/pgp it seems that this type of verification is mainly used by mixers. The only exceptions from non-mixers are eXch and Gingerwallet.
Why do other exchangers avoid PGP fingerprint verification?
hero member
Activity: 504
Merit: 1065
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I think now is the time to remove services that have been offline for several months. It's obvious, it's not a temporary break and it won't come back. If, for any reason, there is a need for such services to continue to be listed, there should probably be a special category for such services, graveyard or similar.

Yes for the idea of a graveyard, even if "offline" status is already enough IMO (talking about special category).
But in the meantime I think it would be a mistake to completely remove links from offline services, as this lets users know that a service is not accessible and can avoid them falling into the trap of phishing copies.
legendary
Activity: 3514
Merit: 3585
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In the meantime, there was a small upgrade, so let's mention it here. Each category on the site has its own unique link, simplified navigation and sharing

Clicking each tab will now go to its respective URL, just like visiting the URL will go to its respective tab.

Example:
https://bitlist.co/services
https://bitlist.co/debit-cards
legendary
Activity: 3514
Merit: 3585
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I think now is the time to remove services that have been offline for several months. It's obvious, it's not a temporary break and it won't come back. If, for any reason, there is a need for such services to continue to be listed, there should probably be a special category for such services, graveyard or similar.
member
Activity: 378
Merit: 93
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Thanks for the suggestion! It's on my to-do list (I've even spoken to kycnotme's CEO)

A month ago, I sent you an urgent message about 4 coinjoin phishing sites you have listed. They are still there. Explain.
legendary
Activity: 1456
Merit: 5874
light_warrior ... 🕯️
Another suggestion I have for icopress is to suggest listing of BitList.co to Kycnot.me website:
https://kycnot.me/request/service
Thanks for the suggestion! It's on my to-do list (I've even spoken to kycnotme's CEO)
legendary
Activity: 2212
Merit: 7064
I would not ignore the potential of promotion on social networks, regardless of whether we think that no one uses it.
I am not ignoring them, that is why I said that twitter is currently better for purpose of advertising Bitlist.co

I think promoting a mixer-related website on Facebook is a bit contradictory. No one seeking privacy would ever search on Facebook...
Probably, but there are exceptions for every rule.
Some people are using facebook only for their marketplace, others for contact with friends and family, but Zuckerberg is using all of them Wink

Another suggestion I have for icopress is to suggest listing of BitList.co to Kycnot.me website:
https://kycnot.me/request/service

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