I would not be shocked if Bitmain moved to Samsung's "10nm" process for their S11 model, since TSMC seems to be a fair bit behind the curve right now (and the TSMC "7nm" process is going to be very very close on performance to the current Samsung and Intel "10nm" processes) while Samsung seems to be actually in production (abet small-scale so far) on their 10nm process.
I do have some question if a process designed for "low power applications" like smartphones is going to handle the high-power-density requirement of a cryptocoin mining ASIC well.
Topic: Bitmain Antminer S11 Speculation (Read 10340 times)
And the important question is "Can it whistle IN KEY?" - all miners can whistle.
8-P
Semiconductor processes aren't shrinking at the rate they used to be..
Welcome to the effect of Quantum Mechanics on semiconductors - and the impending end of the very long run of Silicon being the primary material for use in semiconductors.
It says a lot that both Intel AND IBM have stated "10nm is the end of the road for pure silicon", and that IBM has specifically stated they are moving to a mixed Silicon/Germanium wafer for their 7nm development work.
I have to wonder how long even that mixed wafer stuff is going to last, and what will come after that - if ANYTHING - for semiconductors - and how long it's going to take.
And the important question is "Can it whistle IN KEY?" - all miners can whistle.
8-P
Nobody is asking the important questions. Will it whistle? 
is it clear time for releasing ? what are your predictions ?
READ THE DAMN THREAD!It was started as pure speculation by an idiot who does not know how to use punctuation.
There is NO new release coming for a long long time numbnutz.
hey notsofuzzy, id really love to hear your insight on the company putting out a 10nm miner. i know you said there is no way any company is putting out a 10nm miner in q1 2018 since 10nm process can only work in low power devices like phones.. are they just scamming? or has something changed? d
So basically we just won't see a better miner from bitmain for sale until someone comes out with a really good miner in the 0.06 or 0.07 watt per gh area.
But you can't design and produce a new miner overnight. Bitmain will lose truckloads of money if they are reactive like that and let a competitor get ahead for a few months. They do have a mining operation too, so if they are smart they will produce a new more efficient miner asap for themselves. By keeping it internal, they can maximize mining profit, and let the competitors invest in an "S9 killer". As soon as competitors start trying to sell their miner, the S11 batch comes out for sale, what a kill I'm not saying they'll do this, just that it looks like a better move than sitting on their hands and waiting to be hunted down. Now that I read your message again I see you didn't say they won't produce it, you say we won't see it, do you agree they may do what I think?
There are rumors that it might be released during the 1st Qtr of 2018, source: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/7e909x/should_we_expect_antminer_s11_in_the_early_2018/
Yet, we can't rely on those as most rumors fail to predict the real outcome. I keep visiting Bitmain site for any news or updates so that I will be included in the list of early birds that will purchase upon its release. Well, my money is sleeping for ages and couldn't purchase an S9 since S11 is coming. I'm just hoping that it will be released sooner than expected.
That "source" doesn't even mention Q1. So those aren't event rumors but rather pure speculation. Yet, we can't rely on those as most rumors fail to predict the real outcome. I keep visiting Bitmain site for any news or updates so that I will be included in the list of early birds that will purchase upon its release. Well, my money is sleeping for ages and couldn't purchase an S9 since S11 is coming. I'm just hoping that it will be released sooner than expected.
There is no way the s-11 shows until someone sells a miner that can do 12th with 950 watts
or 15th with 1100 watts.
This is a very simple economic issue not a gear issue.
Bitmain can sell the s-9 at 700 to 800 plus shipping and turn a profit.
So until a competitor sells a kick ass machine they have zero need to build a more efficient miner then the s-9.
What would a big miner with low power cost buy a 15th at 1200 watts
for 3000 or a 13th at 1400 watts for 1000
they buy the s-9. So basically we just won't see a better miner from bitmain for sale until someone comes out with a really good miner in the 0.06 or 0.07 watt per gh area.
There are rumors that it might be released during the 1st Qtr of 2018, source: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/7e909x/should_we_expect_antminer_s11_in_the_early_2018/
Yet, we can't rely on those as most rumors fail to predict the real outcome. I keep visiting Bitmain site for any news or updates so that I will be included in the list of early birds that will purchase upon its release. Well, my money is sleeping for ages and couldn't purchase an S9 since S11 is coming. I'm just hoping that it will be released sooner than expected.
That "source" doesn't even mention Q1. So those aren't event rumors but rather pure speculation. Yet, we can't rely on those as most rumors fail to predict the real outcome. I keep visiting Bitmain site for any news or updates so that I will be included in the list of early birds that will purchase upon its release. Well, my money is sleeping for ages and couldn't purchase an S9 since S11 is coming. I'm just hoping that it will be released sooner than expected.
There are rumors that it might be released during the 1st Qtr of 2018, source: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/7e909x/should_we_expect_antminer_s11_in_the_early_2018/
Yet, we can't rely on those as most rumors fail to predict the real outcome. I keep visiting Bitmain site for any news or updates so that I will be included in the list of early birds that will purchase upon its release. Well, my money is sleeping for ages and couldn't purchase an S9 since S11 is coming. I'm just hoping that it will be released sooner than expected.
Yet, we can't rely on those as most rumors fail to predict the real outcome. I keep visiting Bitmain site for any news or updates so that I will be included in the list of early birds that will purchase upon its release. Well, my money is sleeping for ages and couldn't purchase an S9 since S11 is coming. I'm just hoping that it will be released sooner than expected.
TSMC , the foundry that makes ASICS for most of these companies is already on to 7nm process logic coming to market now... but taping out/ramping a 7nm part with solid yield isn't going to be that easy or cheap... ... just saying.. these guys are going to stick with 10nm or 13nm for the time being if they want to maximize their own profit.
The only large scale manufacturing happening now with cost effective ( 300mm) 12 inch wafer - is 13nm.... anything else is considered "specialty" and is an order of magnitude more expensive..
http://www.tsmc.com/english/dedicatedFoundry/manufacturing/gigafab.htm
Semiconductor processes aren't shrinking at the rate they used to be..
The only large scale manufacturing happening now with cost effective ( 300mm) 12 inch wafer - is 13nm.... anything else is considered "specialty" and is an order of magnitude more expensive..
http://www.tsmc.com/english/dedicatedFoundry/manufacturing/gigafab.htm
Semiconductor processes aren't shrinking at the rate they used to be..
Yeah and this whole thread has been quite useless so far.
Nothing real information with real sources on the subject ("Bitmain Antminer S11") that would give anyone anything.
Just a waste of everybody's time.
Nothing real information with real sources on the subject ("Bitmain Antminer S11") that would give anyone anything.
Just a waste of everybody's time.
true, but I think there won't be an antminer s11 until bitcoin mining with s9 isn't profitable anymore (which I can't see in the near future) or like all people said a competitor brings something better out. I've got many s9 miners over here in Austria and I hope for some delay on new ASICs to be profitable a litte bit more.
Genesis Mining is sold newer sha256 mining contacts starting on 28 February and and of march, I guess they got some new stuff next year.
I know they have a lot of miners of Bitmaintech in the past so that`s why I think a newer miner will pop up soon (somewhere in Q1 2018).
Since there IS NO 'S11' in the works from Bitemain and only your pure wild speculation on them, guess what I'd bet on...
Fuzzy, check out the november 10 post on bitmain facebook. It says 7nm is under development. So, is it possible?
7nm is kinda alot better than 16nm? It is less than half the size.
7nm mining is not possible to happen in Q1 or Q2 2018, even TSMC or Samsung are still struggle to bring their 7nm to commercial production. If either TSMC or Samsung do successfully produce commercial production, the 7nm wafer will go to APPLE, snapdragon 1st.
Note: Bitmain purchase 16nm wafer currently from TSMC for their antminer s9.
most probably 10nm chip for their next gen antminer same like ebang E10.
correct me if i am wrong. tq
But wasnt there a japan gmo company that was also researchin into 7nm?
Maybe it is possible mining market gets some too? Hmmm yeah but probably not in next 6 months
I know this is kind of a messed up thing to say, but I would personally really like them to release this S11. That way I could get my hands on 1 or 2 and really make some cash. It would put me at an advantage, which I sorely need as I'm already at a disadvantage to all the people who got into mining/cryptocurrencies before me. I'm not saying I DESERVE a break, but I'd take one where I could get one. 
That said, I do hate seeing people get shafted out of money and I'd hate for people to feel like they didn't get their money's worth if they just bought the S9 and then the S11 was released.
That said, I do hate seeing people get shafted out of money and I'd hate for people to feel like they didn't get their money's worth if they just bought the S9 and then the S11 was released. Yeah and this whole thread has been quite useless so far.
Nothing real information with real sources on the subject ("Bitmain Antminer S11") that would give anyone anything.
Just a waste of everybody's time.
Nothing real information with real sources on the subject ("Bitmain Antminer S11") that would give anyone anything.
Just a waste of everybody's time.
true, but I think there won't be an antminer s11 until bitcoin mining with s9 isn't profitable anymore (which I can't see in the near future) or like all people said a competitor brings something better out. I've got many s9 miners over here in Austria and I hope for some delay on new ASICs to be profitable a litte bit more.
Genesis Mining is sold newer sha256 mining contacts starting on 28 February and and of march, I guess they got some new stuff next year.
I know they have a lot of miners of Bitmaintech in the past so that`s why I think a newer miner will pop up soon (somewhere in Q1 2018).
Since there IS NO 'S11' in the works from Bitemain and only your pure wild speculation on them, guess what I'd bet on...
Fuzzy, check out the november 10 post on bitmain facebook. It says 7nm is under development. So, is it possible?
7nm is kinda alot better than 16nm? It is less than half the size.
7nm mining is not possible to happen in Q1 or Q2 2018, even TSMC or Samsung are still struggle to bring their 7nm to commercial production. If either TSMC or Samsung do successfully produce commercial production, the 7nm wafer will go to APPLE, snapdragon 1st.
Note: Bitmain purchase 16nm wafer currently from TSMC for their antminer s9.
most probably 10nm chip for their next gen antminer same like ebang E10.
correct me if i am wrong. tq
Yeah and this whole thread has been quite useless so far.
Nothing real information with real sources on the subject ("Bitmain Antminer S11") that would give anyone anything.
Just a waste of everybody's time.
Nothing real information with real sources on the subject ("Bitmain Antminer S11") that would give anyone anything.
Just a waste of everybody's time.
true, but I think there won't be an antminer s11 until bitcoin mining with s9 isn't profitable anymore (which I can't see in the near future) or like all people said a competitor brings something better out. I've got many s9 miners over here in Austria and I hope for some delay on new ASICs to be profitable a litte bit more.
Genesis Mining is sold newer sha256 mining contacts starting on 28 February and and of march, I guess they got some new stuff next year.
I know they have a lot of miners of Bitmaintech in the past so that`s why I think a newer miner will pop up soon (somewhere in Q1 2018).
Since there IS NO 'S11' in the works from Bitemain and only your pure wild speculation on them, guess what I'd bet on...
Fuzzy, check out the november 10 post on bitmain facebook. It says 7nm is under development. So, is it possible?
7nm is kinda alot better than 16nm? It is less than half the size.
Yeah we have been aware of their roadmap for some time, but no actual specs or release date has been announced for Bitmain's next btc miner.
is it clear time for releasing ? what are your predictions ?
READ THE DAMN THREAD!It was started as pure speculation by an idiot who does not know how to use punctuation.
There is NO new release coming for a long long time numbnutz.
on their facebook page Bitmain are reporting that they are working on a new 7 nm ASIC.
Yeah and this whole thread has been quite useless so far.
Nothing real information with real sources on the subject ("Bitmain Antminer S11") that would give anyone anything.
Just a waste of everybody's time.
Nothing real information with real sources on the subject ("Bitmain Antminer S11") that would give anyone anything.
Just a waste of everybody's time.
true, but I think there won't be an antminer s11 until bitcoin mining with s9 isn't profitable anymore (which I can't see in the near future) or like all people said a competitor brings something better out. I've got many s9 miners over here in Austria and I hope for some delay on new ASICs to be profitable a litte bit more.
Genesis Mining is sold newer sha256 mining contacts starting on 28 February and and of march, I guess they got some new stuff next year.
I know they have a lot of miners of Bitmaintech in the past so that`s why I think a newer miner will pop up soon (somewhere in Q1 2018).
Since there IS NO 'S11' in the works from Bitemain and only your pure wild speculation on them, guess what I'd bet on...
Yes I am speculating your are right on that, or better stayed an educated guess. Last 3 times I was right whit genesis. Last year (2016) they started to sell pre order LTC mining contracts for cheap, so i speculated on newer scrypt miners (there where not new scrypt asics build for a year or more) and I was right! The Bitmail L3 came out, and view months later the L3+
Yeah and this whole thread has been quite useless so far.
Nothing real information with real sources on the subject ("Bitmain Antminer S11") that would give anyone anything.
Just a waste of everybody's time.
Nothing real information with real sources on the subject ("Bitmain Antminer S11") that would give anyone anything.
Just a waste of everybody's time.
true, but I think there won't be an antminer s11 until bitcoin mining with s9 isn't profitable anymore (which I can't see in the near future) or like all people said a competitor brings something better out. I've got many s9 miners over here in Austria and I hope for some delay on new ASICs to be profitable a litte bit more.
Genesis Mining is sold newer sha256 mining contacts starting on 28 February and and of march, I guess they got some new stuff next year.
I know they have a lot of miners of Bitmaintech in the past so that`s why I think a newer miner will pop up soon (somewhere in Q1 2018).
Since there IS NO 'S11' in the works from Bitemain and only your pure wild speculation on them, guess what I'd bet on...
Yeah and this whole thread has been quite useless so far.
Nothing real information with real sources on the subject ("Bitmain Antminer S11") that would give anyone anything.
Just a waste of everybody's time.
Nothing real information with real sources on the subject ("Bitmain Antminer S11") that would give anyone anything.
Just a waste of everybody's time.
true, but I think there won't be an antminer s11 until bitcoin mining with s9 isn't profitable anymore (which I can't see in the near future) or like all people said a competitor brings something better out. I've got many s9 miners over here in Austria and I hope for some delay on new ASICs to be profitable a litte bit more.
Genesis Mining is sold newer sha256 mining contacts starting on 28 February and and of march, I guess they got some new stuff next year.
I know they have a lot of miners of Bitmaintech in the past so that`s why I think a newer miner will pop up soon (somewhere in Q1 2018).
ok thanks for sharing your knowledge.
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