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January 20, 2014, 07:36:12 PM
Hi all,

Mega n00b here with a couple questions and a lot of thanks.

Up until about a week ago i didn't really even know what a BTC was. After a lot of research (and a ton of reading on this forum) I decided to purchase an Antminer U1 and give mining a shot. I ordered it last wednesday so that i would get it friday following surgery to repair my dislocated wrist. After a little headache or two, I finally got it working on CGminer on friday night. I am an Engineer and am doing this mainly for fun and to learn, I dont have any background in computer programming really but i like to learn new things. My antminer has been hashing away since friday, and i started overclocking (1.8 gH/S) last night.

Couple questions:
1. Is BFGminer really that much better at reducing the HW errors i see when overclocking?

2. Can someone give a basic description of what a HW error is and how its percent is calculated?

3. Is one of the cheap USB hubs off Amazon ( http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00475WJEY/ref=s9_simh_gw_p147_d0_i2?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=0E9GSW5WG9DG06AW26TX&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=1688200382&pf_rd_i=507846)  sufficient to run a couple of these? or is it worth it to get a nicer one?

4. what does this piece of code (--bmsc-options 115200:20) do in everyones .bat files do? I dont have it. Should i?

Im sure i have more questions, but thats all i can remember to ask right now. Sorry for the bad typing, I only have 1 hand currently. Thanks again for all the people who have posted help so far.

C13


That "hub" is fine.  I have a bunch of them.  You can see one with 7 U1's in my earlier post ( https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4403171 ).  The power supply that comes with it, on the other hand, is crap.  I do NOT recommend those hubs unless you are comfortable upgrading the power supply.  I run mine from a PC power supply.

You should budget 1 amp at 5 volts for a U1 if you are going for a moderate overclock.  So, in theory, you could run two U1's with the power supply that comes with it.

The bmsc-options specify the data rate for the uart in the usb to serial chip and the timeout.  You absolutely need it with the original version of cgminer.  You don't need it if you are running the code from my branch.

In case anyone is interested, the rig shown in that link has been running for 11days 14h 33m 30s and the 9 AMU's and 7 ANT's are averaging 16,941.51 GHash under Ubuntu.  I have two more U1's on order to fill out that hub (I only run 9 per hub as I don't like that end plug).
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January 20, 2014, 06:58:17 PM
Hi all,

Mega n00b here with a couple questions and a lot of thanks.

Up until about a week ago i didn't really even know what a BTC was. After a lot of research (and a ton of reading on this forum) I decided to purchase an Antminer U1 and give mining a shot. I ordered it last wednesday so that i would get it friday following surgery to repair my dislocated wrist. After a little headache or two, I finally got it working on CGminer on friday night. I am an Engineer and am doing this mainly for fun and to learn, I dont have any background in computer programming really but i like to learn new things. My antminer has been hashing away since friday, and i started overclocking (1.8 gH/S) last night.

Couple questions:
1. Is BFGminer really that much better at reducing the HW errors i see when overclocking?

2. Can someone give a basic description of what a HW error is and how its percent is calculated?

3. Is one of the cheap USB hubs off Amazon ( http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00475WJEY/ref=s9_simh_gw_p147_d0_i2?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=0E9GSW5WG9DG06AW26TX&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=1688200382&pf_rd_i=507846)  sufficient to run a couple of these? or is it worth it to get a nicer one?

4. what does this piece of code (--bmsc-options 115200:20) do in everyones .bat files do? I dont have it. Should i?

Im sure i have more questions, but thats all i can remember to ask right now. Sorry for the bad typing, I only have 1 hand currently. Thanks again for all the people who have posted help so far.

C13

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January 20, 2014, 03:11:08 PM
If someone  manages to  overclock Antmineru1 to  stable 4GHS, please let us know:)

hah... I am tring to  lol Cheesy

I think, it is possible but I dont know how... will work on it during february Smiley
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January 20, 2014, 02:58:33 PM
If someone  manages to  overclock Antmineru1 to  stable 4GHS, please let us know:)
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January 20, 2014, 02:41:40 PM
http://www.pugetsystems.com/mineral-oil-pc.php   <<  this site addresses the heat issues (explains how to make sure the heat dissipates well) as well as issues 2 and 3 (they look neat and kind of beautiful) and if sealed properly they are as safe as a fishtank around pets/children..   As for issue 1, yeah, I wouldnt buy an oily miner lol   however, maybe there is a way to safely  seal them prior to immersion and still retain most of the heat transfer? some kind of simple to remove airtight shrinkwrap that also conducts heat well? I dunno lol that one has me stumped.

Well, the issue is that the metal parts of miner have to be in oil (it will not work without it, lol).

Meaby putting just the heat sink to oil or connect it somehow with the bowl with oil (some extention form heat sink to oil meaby?).

And I found that you in fact can overclock U1 to mine 3 - 4GH/s but you need proper cooling(like water or oil...or if you live in Canada, you can simply place it behind your window Cheesy Cheesy ) or error rate will be 90 - 100%

How about non-scented baby oil?
Read somewhere in this forum that it works great!!

Wel, it could work...

But oil would stay on device, I think...

I will do some research about it today...

Not quite as:
You can  remove oil with acetone or isopropanol very easily.

Although I strongly recommend avoiding acetone!!

The best is colourless baby oil, which is quite cheap (I guess!) and clean it with mineral tupertine (also cheap) which is quite harsh with the oil and very soft with all the circuit and components. (Big thanks, Trillian!).
After cleaning, just put them half an hour under a fan and they'll be good as new!!


Yay, thanks Smiley

I will mine with them with old laptop (underclocked to 0,7Ghz, internal gk etc) = 19W + miners +fan Smiley
As I counting it - I could mine around 60 - 70$/month Smiley
legendary
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January 20, 2014, 02:22:50 PM
http://www.pugetsystems.com/mineral-oil-pc.php   <<  this site addresses the heat issues (explains how to make sure the heat dissipates well) as well as issues 2 and 3 (they look neat and kind of beautiful) and if sealed properly they are as safe as a fishtank around pets/children..   As for issue 1, yeah, I wouldnt buy an oily miner lol   however, maybe there is a way to safely  seal them prior to immersion and still retain most of the heat transfer? some kind of simple to remove airtight shrinkwrap that also conducts heat well? I dunno lol that one has me stumped.

Well, the issue is that the metal parts of miner have to be in oil (it will not work without it, lol).

Meaby putting just the heat sink to oil or connect it somehow with the bowl with oil (some extention form heat sink to oil meaby?).

And I found that you in fact can overclock U1 to mine 3 - 4GH/s but you need proper cooling(like water or oil...or if you live in Canada, you can simply place it behind your window Cheesy Cheesy ) or error rate will be 90 - 100%

How about non-scented baby oil?
Read somewhere in this forum that it works great!!

Wel, it could work...

But oil would stay on device, I think...

I will do some research about it today...

Not quite as:
You can  remove oil with acetone or isopropanol very easily.

Although I strongly recommend avoiding acetone!!

The best is colourless baby oil, which is quite cheap (I guess!) and clean it with mineral tupertine (also cheap) which is quite harsh with the oil and very soft with all the circuit and components. (Big thanks, Trillian!).
After cleaning, just put them half an hour under a fan and they'll be good as new!!
sr. member
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January 20, 2014, 12:47:37 PM
No worries, it is common procedure to clean PCB's with  those chemicals.

Ok, I will test the oil cooling with that 333MH/s miner I have... 
Thanks
sr. member
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January 20, 2014, 12:36:57 PM
No worries, it is common procedure to clean PCB's with  those chemicals.
sr. member
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January 20, 2014, 12:28:54 PM
You can  remove oil with acetone or isopropanol very easily.

Are you sure that it won't damage miners?
Thanks for advice anyway.
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January 20, 2014, 12:19:25 PM
http://www.pugetsystems.com/mineral-oil-pc.php   <<  this site addresses the heat issues (explains how to make sure the heat dissipates well) as well as issues 2 and 3 (they look neat and kind of beautiful) and if sealed properly they are as safe as a fishtank around pets/children..   As for issue 1, yeah, I wouldnt buy an oily miner lol   however, maybe there is a way to safely  seal them prior to immersion and still retain most of the heat transfer? some kind of simple to remove airtight shrinkwrap that also conducts heat well? I dunno lol that one has me stumped.

Well, the issue is that the metal parts of miner have to be in oil (it will not work without it, lol).

Meaby putting just the heat sink to oil or connect it somehow with the bowl with oil (some extention form heat sink to oil meaby?).

And I found that you in fact can overclock U1 to mine 3 - 4GH/s but you need proper cooling(like water or oil...or if you live in Canada, you can simply place it behind your window Cheesy Cheesy ) or error rate will be 90 - 100%
Canadian outdoor mining in winter................they could be used to melt the permafrost.
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January 20, 2014, 12:05:33 PM
Nothing goes to waste in my mining rig tangle.

After getting my third antminer and inventing an amusing way to plug it in my netbook's third USB port and have it close to the fan on the far side, I found out why I couldn't get them running at 2.2Ghs before. And turns out I was overenthusiastic first time.

EDIT: they also went a bit faster after I cleaned them. A week of use half an inch from a fan had left two a little dusty.

Guess what: All I had to do was plug them in slowly, one by one, letting cgminer time each of them in turn.
That's it. didn't even update cgminer (bitmaintech version).

Now I've got this wiretangled abomination of awesome mining away under my desk...

(that's two antminers on L-shaped USB 'elbows' in front of the fan, and one antminer on 2 small usb extensions behind the fan)



Code:
(5s):7.461G (avg):6.621Gh/s | A:1600  R:0  HW:332  WU:77.5/m

Here's how I did it:
bitmaintech cgminer, built as per cs2000's post on a fresh install of ubuntu desktop 32-bit, cgminer args include –bmsc-freq A081
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January 20, 2014, 12:03:28 PM

how do you use the api to switch pools?



echo -n "{\"command\":\"switchpool\",\"parameter\":\"2\"}" |nc localhost 4089
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January 20, 2014, 11:51:06 AM
You can  remove oil with acetone or isopropanol very easily.
sr. member
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January 20, 2014, 11:42:27 AM
http://www.pugetsystems.com/mineral-oil-pc.php   <<  this site addresses the heat issues (explains how to make sure the heat dissipates well) as well as issues 2 and 3 (they look neat and kind of beautiful) and if sealed properly they are as safe as a fishtank around pets/children..   As for issue 1, yeah, I wouldnt buy an oily miner lol   however, maybe there is a way to safely  seal them prior to immersion and still retain most of the heat transfer? some kind of simple to remove airtight shrinkwrap that also conducts heat well? I dunno lol that one has me stumped.

Well, the issue is that the metal parts of miner have to be in oil (it will not work without it, lol).

Meaby putting just the heat sink to oil or connect it somehow with the bowl with oil (some extention form heat sink to oil meaby?).

And I found that you in fact can overclock U1 to mine 3 - 4GH/s but you need proper cooling(like water or oil...or if you live in Canada, you can simply place it behind your window Cheesy Cheesy ) or error rate will be 90 - 100%

How about non-scented baby oil?
Read somewhere in this forum that it works great!!

Wel, it could work...

But oil would stay on device, I think...

I will do some research about it today...
legendary
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January 20, 2014, 11:19:12 AM
http://www.pugetsystems.com/mineral-oil-pc.php   <<  this site addresses the heat issues (explains how to make sure the heat dissipates well) as well as issues 2 and 3 (they look neat and kind of beautiful) and if sealed properly they are as safe as a fishtank around pets/children..   As for issue 1, yeah, I wouldnt buy an oily miner lol   however, maybe there is a way to safely  seal them prior to immersion and still retain most of the heat transfer? some kind of simple to remove airtight shrinkwrap that also conducts heat well? I dunno lol that one has me stumped.

Well, the issue is that the metal parts of miner have to be in oil (it will not work without it, lol).

Meaby putting just the heat sink to oil or connect it somehow with the bowl with oil (some extention form heat sink to oil meaby?).

And I found that you in fact can overclock U1 to mine 3 - 4GH/s but you need proper cooling(like water or oil...or if you live in Canada, you can simply place it behind your window Cheesy Cheesy ) or error rate will be 90 - 100%

How about non-scented baby oil?
Read somewhere in this forum that it works great!!
sr. member
Activity: 364
Merit: 250
January 20, 2014, 10:49:41 AM
http://www.pugetsystems.com/mineral-oil-pc.php   <<  this site addresses the heat issues (explains how to make sure the heat dissipates well) as well as issues 2 and 3 (they look neat and kind of beautiful) and if sealed properly they are as safe as a fishtank around pets/children..   As for issue 1, yeah, I wouldnt buy an oily miner lol   however, maybe there is a way to safely  seal them prior to immersion and still retain most of the heat transfer? some kind of simple to remove airtight shrinkwrap that also conducts heat well? I dunno lol that one has me stumped.

Well, the issue is that the metal parts of miner have to be in oil (it will not work without it, lol).

Meaby putting just the heat sink to oil or connect it somehow with the bowl with oil (some extention form heat sink to oil meaby?).

And I found that you in fact can overclock U1 to mine 3 - 4GH/s but you need proper cooling(like water or oil...or if you live in Canada, you can simply place it behind your window Cheesy Cheesy ) or error rate will be 90 - 100%
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January 20, 2014, 12:50:20 AM
I bought 4 of these little devils Cheesy

Got them at home, I am currently in other country, but i will mine with them (or sell them for good price) as soon as I get home Smiley

Thanks for tricks...

And just a question - is it really possible to overclock them to more then 2,5GH/s?
I have read something about max 4 gh/s...
Can someone try it and post bad-shares rate?

Thanks!

I think it's unrealistic without hardware modding to get a stable 2.5+ out of them.


With perfect cooling and heat sinks meaby?


E: somebody have heat sink dimensions?
Found this, but if I know dimensions I could get it for few $
http://www.ebay.com/itm/5-Kits-Heatsink-Kit-for-Cooling-Bitmain-Antminer-USB-Overclock-Bitcoin-/301073247876?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item46195d2e84

with perfect cooling and heatsinks you might be able to pull off 2.2   you need to hardware mod the voltage I believe to go past 2.2   When I run them over 2.0 (2.2)with a fan that cools them quite well, the hardware errors spike and the effective hashrate is lower than at 2.0

THX for advice...
I will test all possible methods to improve hash and lower errors.

What do you think about oil cooling?
It could work and it wouldnt damage miners I guess.

I saw some youtube video about USB ASIC oil cooling (only 333MH/s) - link below
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTGti0CbQlw


I got one 333MH/s miner so I can test it Smiley

mineral oil cooling has crossed my mind for asics before actually, and it would look cool in a fishtank. the biggest problem I foresee, is at this stage, there tends to be alot of plugging and unplugging involved with some mining setups for ants. so you would need to consider how stable a mining setup you will have (ie will you need to unplug and hotplug them back in etc) otherwise, it certainly would be less electricity than tons of fans if you scaled up to a ton of ants.

Well the oil fishtank wouldnt be too hot with only 4ants and 1 normal asic inside...
Around 50-60C (temperture of water in shower).
But I just guessing it...

And I see a few problems:
1/ you cant sell them after this (noone will buy miners with oil-mess on them)
2/ It would look terrible
3/ you would have to have it on place, which cant be accested by children and/or animals (they could touch oil etc)


But technicaly speaking - It could work and It would be better than best fans.


E: sorry for my english & I am going to bed so I will answer everything tomorow


http://www.pugetsystems.com/mineral-oil-pc.php   <<  this site addresses the heat issues (explains how to make sure the heat dissipates well) as well as issues 2 and 3 (they look neat and kind of beautiful) and if sealed properly they are as safe as a fishtank around pets/children..   As for issue 1, yeah, I wouldnt buy an oily miner lol   however, maybe there is a way to safely  seal them prior to immersion and still retain most of the heat transfer? some kind of simple to remove airtight shrinkwrap that also conducts heat well? I dunno lol that one has me stumped.
sr. member
Activity: 364
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January 20, 2014, 12:43:26 AM
I bought 4 of these little devils Cheesy

Got them at home, I am currently in other country, but i will mine with them (or sell them for good price) as soon as I get home Smiley

Thanks for tricks...

And just a question - is it really possible to overclock them to more then 2,5GH/s?
I have read something about max 4 gh/s...
Can someone try it and post bad-shares rate?

Thanks!

I think it's unrealistic without hardware modding to get a stable 2.5+ out of them.


With perfect cooling and heat sinks meaby?


E: somebody have heat sink dimensions?
Found this, but if I know dimensions I could get it for few $
http://www.ebay.com/itm/5-Kits-Heatsink-Kit-for-Cooling-Bitmain-Antminer-USB-Overclock-Bitcoin-/301073247876?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item46195d2e84

with perfect cooling and heatsinks you might be able to pull off 2.2   you need to hardware mod the voltage I believe to go past 2.2   When I run them over 2.0 (2.2)with a fan that cools them quite well, the hardware errors spike and the effective hashrate is lower than at 2.0

THX for advice...
I will test all possible methods to improve hash and lower errors.

What do you think about oil cooling?
It could work and it wouldnt damage miners I guess.

I saw some youtube video about USB ASIC oil cooling (only 333MH/s) - link below
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTGti0CbQlw


I got one 333MH/s miner so I can test it Smiley

mineral oil cooling has crossed my mind for asics before actually, and it would look cool in a fishtank. the biggest problem I foresee, is at this stage, there tends to be alot of plugging and unplugging involved with some mining setups for ants. so you would need to consider how stable a mining setup you will have (ie will you need to unplug and hotplug them back in etc) otherwise, it certainly would be less electricity than tons of fans if you scaled up to a ton of ants.

Well the oil fishtank wouldnt be too hot with only 4ants and 1 normal asic inside...
Around 50-60C (temperture of water in shower).
But I just guessing it...

And I see a few problems:
1/ you cant sell them after this (noone will buy miners with oil-mess on them)
2/ It would look terrible
3/ you would have to have it on place, which cant be accested by children and/or animals (they could touch oil etc)


But technicaly speaking - It could work and It would be better than best fans.


E: sorry for my english & I am going to bed so I will answer everything tomorow
sr. member
Activity: 452
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January 20, 2014, 12:37:13 AM
I bought 4 of these little devils Cheesy

Got them at home, I am currently in other country, but i will mine with them (or sell them for good price) as soon as I get home Smiley

Thanks for tricks...

And just a question - is it really possible to overclock them to more then 2,5GH/s?
I have read something about max 4 gh/s...
Can someone try it and post bad-shares rate?

Thanks!

I think it's unrealistic without hardware modding to get a stable 2.5+ out of them.


With perfect cooling and heat sinks meaby?


E: somebody have heat sink dimensions?
Found this, but if I know dimensions I could get it for few $
http://www.ebay.com/itm/5-Kits-Heatsink-Kit-for-Cooling-Bitmain-Antminer-USB-Overclock-Bitcoin-/301073247876?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item46195d2e84

with perfect cooling and heatsinks you might be able to pull off 2.2   you need to hardware mod the voltage I believe to go past 2.2   When I run them over 2.0 (2.2)with a fan that cools them quite well, the hardware errors spike and the effective hashrate is lower than at 2.0

THX for advice...
I will test all possible methods to improve hash and lower errors.

What do you think about oil cooling?
It could work and it wouldnt damage miners I guess.

I saw some youtube video about USB ASIC oil cooling (only 333MH/s) - link below
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTGti0CbQlw


I got one 333MH/s miner so I can test it Smiley

mineral oil cooling has crossed my mind for asics before actually, and it would look cool in a fishtank. the biggest problem I foresee, is at this stage, there tends to be alot of plugging and unplugging involved with some mining setups for ants. so you would need to consider how stable a mining setup you will have (ie will you need to unplug and hotplug them back in etc) otherwise, it certainly would be less electricity than tons of fans if you scaled up to a ton of ants.
sr. member
Activity: 364
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January 20, 2014, 12:33:26 AM
I bought 4 of these little devils Cheesy

Got them at home, I am currently in other country, but i will mine with them (or sell them for good price) as soon as I get home Smiley

Thanks for tricks...

And just a question - is it really possible to overclock them to more then 2,5GH/s?
I have read something about max 4 gh/s...
Can someone try it and post bad-shares rate?

Thanks!

I think it's unrealistic without hardware modding to get a stable 2.5+ out of them.


With perfect cooling and heat sinks meaby?


E: somebody have heat sink dimensions?
Found this, but if I know dimensions I could get it for few $
http://www.ebay.com/itm/5-Kits-Heatsink-Kit-for-Cooling-Bitmain-Antminer-USB-Overclock-Bitcoin-/301073247876?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item46195d2e84

with perfect cooling and heatsinks you might be able to pull off 2.2   you need to hardware mod the voltage I believe to go past 2.2   When I run them over 2.0 (2.2)with a fan that cools them quite well, the hardware errors spike and the effective hashrate is lower than at 2.0

THX for advice...
I will test all possible methods to improve hash and lower errors.

What do you think about oil cooling?
It could work and it wouldnt damage miners I guess.

I saw some youtube video about USB ASIC oil cooling (only 333MH/s) - link below
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTGti0CbQlw


I got one 333MH/s miner so I can test it Smiley
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