Bitmain looks like they're releasing a 15GH/s DASH miner called the AntMiner D3 - page 300.

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Quote from: MachineZero on July 18, 2017, 11:16:03 AM

Would pull about $210 a day if you had it right now.
Shipping is 2 months away. Looks like Dash difficulty went up 300% in trailing 2 months. If the same is expected, you are looking at $70/day profit on day one and declining fast.
It could be interesting if they gave a 2 month grade period like they gave early L3+ adopters.

Is there any chart on any website where you can see that the difficulty has gone up 300% in the trailing two months?

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Quote from: Thetaj on July 23, 2017, 07:55:16 AM

He's just speculating, but I do believe they'll probably have an october or november batch by the end of august. Unless they wanna play the asshole game and centralize mining like they did with bitcoin again. God I hope they get more competition soon, or we're gonna end up centralizing mining all over again

It is likely that this model will be released at an accelerated pace to the L3+ as it is seemingly made from existing parts. Also, they are definitely trying to eat their competitions lunch and first and most to market will bleed the others out quickly. Gotta hand it to Bitmain. they have a very dominant position in the market and are full on the throttle.

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He's just speculating, but I do believe they'll probably have an october or november batch by the end of august. Unless they wanna play the asshole game and centralize mining like they did with bitcoin again. God I hope they get more competition soon, or we're gonna end up centralizing mining all over again

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Quote from: zamans98 on July 23, 2017, 07:43:06 AM

Bitmain is waiting until 1st AUGUST, then the miners will be available again..

How do you know this. No one else has this information. You are guessing??

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Bitmain is waiting until 1st AUGUST, then the miners will be available again..

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The A5 is probably BS, hash will be lower and consumption will be higher. Also, they price for hash does not compete with the D3.

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Quote from: cryptoraja on July 21, 2017, 05:53:42 PM

I ordered an L3+ have been using it for a month. The difficulty is going up like crazy. By the time September batch starts shipping the machines wont be generating much. Besides that I have noticed this with Bitmain products for years now. And FYI Batch 1 of this miner was sold out in minutes. Another batch will be coming up soon. It says that one machine makes over $200 per day but by the time we get it it would make less than half of that.

Have you been noticing significant decrease in output from your L3+ over the month? Quite curious if that's what will happen to D3.

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Quote from: BenRickert on July 22, 2017, 08:11:07 AM

15GH/s at 750 watts?? Sure, good luck with that. I hear their even more rare than Unicorns.

The Baikal is 28nm, and apparently not high optimised 28nm.

The D3 would be about 5 times the efficiency - in theory they could get most of that just by doing highly-optimised work with 28nm, but I suspect they might have gone 14/16nm.

The A5, now, THAT I have to see to believe - it's even MORE efficient according to the specs Innosilicon has mentioned.

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Quote from: vectisitch on July 22, 2017, 08:35:50 AM

can someone give me a list of possible or incoming x13 asics? and if the company is legit? i started mining deeponion using x13 and it's fast becoming no good for gpu mining because of the popularity of it

So far the Baikal is the ONLY ASIC for X13 (and Qubit and X15 and 2 or 3 other algos).

I doubt anyone else will bother, as none of the coins on those algos have enough of a market to asorb the output of MULTIPLE ASIC - and they're going to end up asorbing most of the Baikal output eventually when X11 gets too unprofitable for the current Baikal chip.

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Quote from: CryptoCrane on July 21, 2017, 02:55:47 PM

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Quote from: kalombo on July 21, 2017, 11:40:56 AM

One D3 with 10,000,000 difficulty would make 1.6 DASH worth 222$us

a month .
Given that the cost of electricity for most for that single machine is around 90$/month , the machine will make - soon lol.
But right now it does wonders

)) Not in 2 months. It is more profitable to buy 10 DASH for 2000$us now, that try to mine 1.6 DASH a month and then 0 because of difficulty...

Ehhh, where are you getting 10m difficulty from? The current difficulty is ~400k. even if the difficulty spikes 10-fold BEFORE these come online (unlikely), you be making over $1k per month at current Dash prices. 100% ROI in 2.7 months seems like a really really good deal to me. I'm hoping it's even better than that.

10m difficulty is not only likely but,certain. It would be the equivalency of the BTC difficulty currently on a relative basis. There is no reason to think that anything less would occur. Water finds it's own level and people chase money. The Commercial grade ASIC's have already taken firm hold in SHA 265 and NONE of those protocols produce much more than $350.00 per unit, per month. That's precisely what's going to happen to the Altcoin space. Once these commercial grade miners have filled the mining farms the meat will quickly come off the bone. People seem to be forgetting that the lion's share of the ASIC's in Scrypt and x11 algo's have NOT hit the network yet. September and October will bring a Tsunami of these units to the network. 10M difficulty in DASH?? Yeah, I can't give you the exact date but I CAN promise you it's coming.

Perhaps we're not on the same page. I assumed you were talking about 10m difficulty within the next couple of months. I agree that 10m difficulty will be in the rear-view mirror by next year, but I think there's plenty of time to make a good return before that happens. In regards to btc devices only producing $350/month - it's been 4 years since ASICs started dominating SHA256. Every batch of AntMiners sold between 2013 and 2016 have had enough time to be profitable (in terms of bitcoin) before the difficulty made them too inefficient to run. I believe that will remain true for 2017 and beyond.

Hmmmm....just ran a Stat comparison on the 2013-2016 Antminers vs today's 13.5 TH/s commercial number crunchers. The part of your statement in red is flawed. It's Apples to Mangos. The Hash rates of those ASIC's were minuscule compared to these current units. That is going to be a very important part of the equation. The 4 years you claim it took to obsolescence on those historic units, will be less by 3/4's at least here.

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Quote from: Ayers on July 22, 2017, 08:29:11 AM

Quote from: pawlik on July 22, 2017, 08:19:24 AM

Hi.
I would like to buy a total of 5 D3.
If there is someone who wants to sell please contact me
Tel. +48883109779
Mail: [email protected]

maybe wait for innosilicon that is releasing a5 dashminer, that is more efficient and hash at 30GH? roi is very fast with that and the preorder is faster too than bitmain which is out of stock at the moment

This is question as there is lot of people complaining the innosilicon: 1 - Overestimate their miners (not reaching the announced specs) 2 - Are late with announced delivery time (don't know if true as have no personal experience )
Also have seen accusation this miner is just hurry announced to react on the D3 release. Don't know either, but seems pretty realistic to me.

But genereal looking A5 seems too good to be true ... double hashrate then D3 and almost half consumption???

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can someone give me a list of possible or incoming x13 asics? and if the company is legit? i started mining deeponion using x13 and it's fast becoming no good for gpu mining because of the popularity of it

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Quote from: pawlik on July 22, 2017, 08:19:24 AM

Hi.
I would like to buy a total of 5 D3.
If there is someone who wants to sell please contact me
Tel. +48883109779
Mail: [email protected]

maybe wait for innosilicon that is releasing a5 dashminer, that is more efficient and hash at 30GH? roi is very fast with that and the preorder is faster too than bitmain which is out of stock at the moment

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Hi.
I would like to buy a total of 5 D3.
If there is someone who wants to sell please contact me
Tel. +48883109779
Mail: [email protected]

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Hello !

I would love to buy 10 pcs of that beast.

Please let me know If you want to sell some of yours.

we're waiting for serious offers ONLY!

The main product what we looking for is Antminer D3 15GH/s - 750 Wat

If anybofy got a questions or offers,

please send me an e-mail - [email protected]

or call me - +48 510191905

or Skype me - Ojimenji

Best Regards.

Michal Grin

15GH/s at 750 watts?? Sure, good luck with that. I hear their even more rare than Unicorns.

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Quote from: CryptoCrane on July 22, 2017, 01:36:15 AM

Oh man, I just saw that Innosilicon's asking $10k for their upcoming X11 miner... with a minumum order quantity of 3 units Shocked

. This is for a miner that is coming out after the D3 and from a company that has a track record of not being able to deliver on promises - like when they sold the A4 Dominator and claimed it would hash at 800MH/s. By the time it finally shipped, it could barely reach 280MH/s. This market would benefit immensely if someone could compete toe-to-toe with Bitmain. Looks like Innosilicon isn't going to be that someone.

I think it is too risky to order from Innosilicon. It does not have good track record.

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Oh man, I just saw that Innosilicon's asking $10k for their upcoming X11 miner... with a minumum order quantity of 3 units Shocked

. This is for a miner that is coming out after the D3 and from a company that has a track record of not being able to deliver on promises - like when they sold the A4 Dominator and claimed it would hash at 800MH/s. By the time it finally shipped, it could barely reach 280MH/s. This market would benefit immensely if someone could compete toe-to-toe with Bitmain. Looks like Innosilicon isn't going to be that someone.

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Quote from: CryptoCrane on July 21, 2017, 02:55:47 PM

Quote from: BenRickert on July 21, 2017, 01:22:19 PM

Quote from: CryptoCrane on July 21, 2017, 12:36:59 PM

Quote from: kalombo on July 21, 2017, 11:40:56 AM

One D3 with 10,000,000 difficulty would make 1.6 DASH worth 222$us

a month .
Given that the cost of electricity for most for that single machine is around 90$/month , the machine will make - soon lol.
But right now it does wonders

)) Not in 2 months. It is more profitable to buy 10 DASH for 2000$us now, that try to mine 1.6 DASH a month and then 0 because of difficulty...

Ehhh, where are you getting 10m difficulty from? The current difficulty is ~400k. even if the difficulty spikes 10-fold BEFORE these come online (unlikely), you be making over $1k per month at current Dash prices. 100% ROI in 2.7 months seems like a really really good deal to me. I'm hoping it's even better than that.

10m difficulty is not only likely but,certain. It would be the equivalency of the BTC difficulty currently on a relative basis. There is no reason to think that anything less would occur. Water finds it's own level and people chase money. The Commercial grade ASIC's have already taken firm hold in SHA 265 and NONE of those protocols produce much more than $350.00 per unit, per month. That's precisely what's going to happen to the Altcoin space. Once these commercial grade miners have filled the mining farms the meat will quickly come off the bone. People seem to be forgetting that the lion's share of the ASIC's in Scrypt and x11 algo's have NOT hit the network yet. September and October will bring a Tsunami of these units to the network. 10M difficulty in DASH?? Yeah, I can't give you the exact date but I CAN promise you it's coming.

Perhaps we're not on the same page. I assumed you were talking about 10m difficulty within the next couple of months. I agree that 10m difficulty will be in the rear-view mirror by next year, but I think there's plenty of time to make a good return before that happens. In regards to btc devices only producing $350/month - it's been 4 years since ASICs started dominating SHA256. Every batch of AntMiners sold between 2013 and 2016 have had enough time to be profitable (in terms of bitcoin) before the difficulty made them too inefficient to run. I believe that will remain true for 2017 and beyond.

An excellent point and I don't disagree. That's what I meant by, I can't say when, but I can say it will". I'm not even opposed to running machines at $350.00 per month. It's an economy of scale. I'm just trying to warn folks off from chasing this carrot on the stick. Truth be told, mining will ALWAYS be profitable. But, only in the context of "low cost and high efficiency". If you get out over your skis and lay down 6-7K for a ASIC's based on today's profit calculation you are writing your own death sentence. If we stay smart and not chase these things into the stratosphere, we ( miners) can survive. We have to. Otherwise the block chain suffers. Decentralization falls victim to monopolistic entities.

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Quote from: BenRickert on July 21, 2017, 09:59:02 AM

Agreed. My profit calculation for DASH X11 units is based on a 10 Million difficulty on the network within 3-4 months. Based on what? It is the "relative equivalent" to what miners are experiencing on the BTC SHA 256 algo. This space will saturate at that same level. It's like fish in a lake. They will flock to the food source. The first there will eat heartily. The late ones will get the scraps.

I agree with your numbers, i guess that once this miners are running the diffuculty will increase 50% per month

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